dannysfc Posted 2 August, 2013 Share Posted 2 August, 2013 Was watching the Sheff United v Notts County game tonight which kicked off the new FL season and I saw that Bart was in goal for County tonight as it looks like he may be Countys number 1 GK and I thought that he did OK tonight and I thought that he did OK in general at Saints minus a few slip ups maybe so am seeing what people thought of him in general? Thanks! COYR!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 2 August, 2013 Share Posted 2 August, 2013 I've seen Bialkowski and Gazzaniga play. As back up, I was more confident in Bialkowski, although I understand Gazza is still young and learning. Both made blunders - I remember Bart's against Blackpool - Callum McManaman scored through Bart's legs. Who'd be a goalkeeper eh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 2 August, 2013 Share Posted 2 August, 2013 Who won? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 2 August, 2013 Share Posted 2 August, 2013 I've seen Bialkowski and Gazzaniga play. As back up, I was more confident in Bialkowski, although I understand Gazza is still young and learning. Both made blunders - I remember Bart's against Blackpool - Callum McManaman scored through Bart's legs. Who'd be a goalkeeper eh! Unfair comparison, Bart didnt play PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 2 August, 2013 Share Posted 2 August, 2013 Unfair comparison, Bart didnt play PL. True dat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 2 August, 2013 Share Posted 2 August, 2013 Having watched both, I don't see anything in Gazzaniga to suggest he is any better than Bialkowski, certainly not £2m better. Unfortunately Bart's confidence got shot to pieces after the error against Blackpool and he was never able to recover. He had some fine games for us in both the Championship and League 1 though, and his penalty shoot out show against Norwich at SMS in the JPT was superb. He'll make a decent career for himself in the lower leagues of that I am sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted 2 August, 2013 Share Posted 2 August, 2013 Bit unfair on both, Kelvin has made just as many blunders, and if I am wrong still no. 2 at Saints. Not knocking him, but perhaps we need to get a good understudy for Boruc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 (edited) Bit unfair on both, Kelvin has made just as many blunders, and if I am wrong still no. 2 at Saints. Not knocking him, but perhaps we need to get a good understudy for Boruc? I agree with that totally. Trouble is you never see how a goalie develops unless he's in first team action against top strikers. But Gazza may come good - in a year or two. Who recalls Tim Flowers...? who had his debut whilst Peter Shilton was still our no.1 keeper...and let in 11 goals in his first three apps. Even after PS left he didn't get a real go and had to wait his chance behind Burridge for another two seasons before getting the green jersey. Mind you after that he was first choice for 4 seasons - and gained England honours before joining Shearer at Blackburn. Sorry to all those Gazza fans, but I wasn't convinced last season, but in the future - who knows?. Meanwhile, YES I'd like another top keeper this season, just so that we have a choice in case of an emergency ...and as for Bart, well if he ends up as a Prem. keeper then he'll have proved a point, but he had chances whilst he was here, and like Gazza his inexperience showed. Edited 3 August, 2013 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken With A Banjo Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 Unfair comparison, Bart didnt play PL. Yes he did. And won save of the season or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 Yes he did. And won save of the season or something. he signed for us in Jan 2006 so I don't think he did. Are you thinking of Blaney with regards to save of season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken With A Banjo Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 Apologies, I was thinking of this game http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/fa_cup/4703860.stm which to be fair was against premier opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonwindmill Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 Bart looked a great prospect when Burley first brought him into the team, put in some really good performances as I recall. Never looked the same player after he did his knee at Newcastle in the cup. Shame - but for that he might still be playing at a higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 If any of you saw his performance away at Exeter in the league cup, you would never ever rate him. Sadly we have a lot of fans who dont see a good keeper when we had one. We had all the nonsense about Smith being better than Niemi, a string of keepers who werre supposedly better than KD , none of them have gone on to do SFA. Davis and Lambert were the main reasons we ever got to the PL, had we had Bart or any of the other clowns we would not have got promotion, they would have cost us many points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 If I recall correctly when he first arrived at SFC - way back during our previous PL stay - he looked like a good, borderline outstanding, young prospect. In retrospect when we signed Kelvin he probably should have taken the hint and looked for another club then because too many years spent playing second fiddle to other keepers has done him no good at all. As others have already said, it's virtually impossible to develop into a proper top class keeper when you're not playing regularity at an appropriate level. By the time he last played in our first team he looked to have 'developed' (if that is the right word) into a bag of nerves frankly. We so often criticise players for being too ambitious and seeking moves to where the grass is supposedly greener. Well Barts time here shows that not being ambitious enough can also prove to be damaging to a young footballer's career. Leaving this club may paradoxically prove to be the best thing that has happened to this player for many a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 Blackstock...............Now there was a keeper:) Never really given a chance:rolleyes: What the hell have our goalkeeping coach/trainers/scouts been up to in the past. I give you Tommy Forecast as evidence sooooome peeps were on the pop at least at Tommys signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 As a young fan inthe early 1960's, I watched several Saints' games when goalies were injured and an outfielder had to take the green jersey. This was the time pre-1966, subs. were not allowed, and can recall the likes of Terry Paine, David Webb and Jimmy Gabriel all taking thie turn ..not forgetting Cliff Huxford who kept goal in a remarkable Div.2 game v Derby County at The Dell when the Saints played out the second half with only 9 men ...and still won 6-4. Even after that - if a goalie had to leave the field, we still had to find a suitable replacement from those on the field and it took quite a few more seasons before before the increased number of subs. on the bench allowed us to sub. a goalie for a goalie. Not so long ago, we can remember Paul Jines keeping a clean sheet in the FA CUp Final - yet ironically only collecting a losers medal (Niemi had conceded before he had to go off injured. However, quite a few fans have, at various times, " praised " Blackstock's short "sojourn " as a goalkeeper but although he ws "courageous / stupid " enough to volunteer to go in goal-- honestly speaking, it was the most terrifying time I've had watching a Saints game in decades. Although he made a couple of saves, his handling (or lack of it) was appauling IMHO. Nothing against the lad , he was quite a useful striker in his time, but never a goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 As a young fan inthe early 1960's, I watched several Saints' games when goalies were injured and an outfielder had to take the green jersey. This was the time pre-1966, subs. were not allowed, and can recall the likes of Terry Paine, David Webb and Jimmy Gabriel all taking thie turn ..not forgetting Cliff Huxford who kept goal in a remarkable Div.2 game v Derby County at The Dell when the Saints played out the second half with only 9 men ...and still won 6-4. Even after that - if a goalie had to leave the field, we still had to find a suitable replacement from those on the field and it took quite a few more seasons before before the increased number of subs. on the bench allowed us to sub. a goalie for a goalie. Not so long ago, we can remember Paul Jines keeping a clean sheet in the FA CUp Final - yet ironically only collecting a losers medal (Niemi had conceded before he had to go off injured. However, quite a few fans have, at various times, " praised " Blackstock's short "sojourn " as a goalkeeper but although he ws "courageous / stupid " enough to volunteer to go in goal-- honestly speaking, it was the most terrifying time I've had watching a Saints game in decades. Although he made a couple of saves, his handling (or lack of it) was appauling IMHO. Nothing against the lad , he was quite a useful striker in his time, but never a goalie. Sorry David..........Did not realise Dexter was a striker;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 I though Dexter was on some Youth Employment Scheme, just there to watch and learn from others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 Flapper and bottle job, injured himself flapping against Newcastle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 Cliff Huxford , Jimmy Gabriel , David Webb , Terry Paine and our own Morgan...... Top goalkeeping talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 If I recall correctly when he first arrived at SFC - way back during our previous PL stay - he looked like a good, borderline outstanding, young prospect. He looked like signing of the decade to start with, didn't he have a few fantastic games and save a penalty in his first? (or second?) Then he broke his finger after about seven appearances, I think, and never seemed to get his form or confidence back. waiver: iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 I heard a rumour he bottled it and was sick with nerves before the play off second leg v Derby and that's why Davis played instead of him or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 He looked like signing of the decade to start with, didn't he have a few fantastic games and save a penalty in his first? (or second?) Then he broke his finger after about seven appearances, I think, and never seemed to get his form or confidence back. waiver: iirc. I thought he did his knee landing funny while catching the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 Bialkowski was forced off injured with 10 minutes left after landing awkwardly and as Saints had brought on three substitutes, Dexter Blackstock had to go in goal. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/fa_cup/4703860.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonwindmill Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 I thought he did his knee landing funny while catching the ball. Yep. Sounds like he had a good game up until then. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/fa_cup/4703860.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonwindmill Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 Great minds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 3 August, 2013 Share Posted 3 August, 2013 While some people say that Bart was never the same after his knee injury, I still reckon his best Saints performance came after that injury. He was absolutely fantastic when we beat Wolves 6-0 away, if it hadn't been for him then we'd probably have lost that game, as crazy as that sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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