4 Million in 2001 Vs 12 Milllion in 2013

[Gemmel]

Is it fair to say that given inflation, multiple and large raises in TV revenue, higher ticket prices and additional revenue streams, that a 12 million pound signing today, is no real difference from a 4 million pound signing in 2001?

 

Lowe ran a tight ship and within the Clubs self sustaining model. Are we simply living within our means in 2013?

 

I don't have a problem with that at all by the way, just curious if people are really convinced we are still being bank rolled by the Family.

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Think I prefer Wanyama to Delap already.

[SaintBobby]

Football finances have zoomed...but I'm not sure they have gone up as much as 200% in ten years?

[Matthew Le God]

Is it fair to say that given inflation, multiple and large raises in TV revenue, higher ticket prices and additional revenue streams, that a 12 million pound signing today, is no real difference from a 4 million pound signing in 2001?

 

Lowe ran a tight ship and within the Clubs self sustaining model. Are we simply living within our means in 2013?

 

I don't have a problem with that at all by the way, just curious if people are really convinced we are still being bank rolled by the Family.

 

- First 2 seasons (2001/02 and 2002/03) combined at St Mary's under Lowe in the Premier League, Saints spent roughly £14.5m and sold £8m

- First 2 seasons (2012/13 and the unfinished 2013/14) combined at St Mary's under Liebherr in the Premier League, Saints spent roughly £60m (still time for that to increase) and sold £1.5m

 

I don't think singing Rory Delap in 2001 is on the same level as signing players like Ramirez, Wanyama and Lovren in the last year. Those three are players linked with some big clubs, could the same be said of Delap? If Delap was 25 years old and in the Championship in 2013, would he cost £12m?

Edited 31 July, 2013 by Matthew Le God

[Saint Billy]

Apart from the fact that we have already beaten Delaps record 3 times in two seasons already, with a fourth probably before the season starts.

[shurlock]

- First 2 seasons (2001/02 and 2002/03) combined at St Mary's under Lowe in the Premier League, Saints spent roughly £14.5m and sold £8m

- First 2 seasons (2012/13 and the unfinished 2013/14) combined at St Mary's under Liebherr in the Premier League, Saints spent roughly £60m (still time for that to increase) and sold £1.5m

 

I don't think singing Rory Delap in 2001 from a Championship team is on the same level as signing players like Ramirez, Wanyama and Lovren in the last year. Those three are players linked with some big clubs, could the same be said of Delap?

 

Wrong Derby were in the Prem when we signed Delap. We also signed Jrod for nearly double Delap's fee from a championship side which seems a bit more comparable.

Edited 31 July, 2013 by shurlock

[brmbrm]

I reckon 4 million in 2001 would be 8-9 million now. Ish. So its not a lot in it (especially maybe because the perceived cost of falling out of the premiership is higher)

[positivepete]

Football finances have zoomed...but I'm not sure they have gone up as much as 200% in ten years?

 

I would suspect that the prize money for placings, and the parachute payments have gone up by more than that. MLG?

[Stud mark of doom]

Interesting question. I had a quick look at a couple of relevant things and they both suggest 12m now is "more".

 

1 - my season ticket in 2002/03 (closest I could find) cost £451 and this year cost £656 - that's only 3% pa! Bargain.

 

2 - TV rights for 2001-04 were £1.2bn and 2010-13 were £1.7bn. 4% pa. even if you allow for the new deal of £3bn then 12m is still a bit "more".

[suewhistle]

I remember reading in the newspaper (Observer/Guardian?) the season preview by the fans: the Derby one couldn't believe their luck at having got rid of Delap for £4m.

[Gorgiesaint]

Not strictly relevant but interesting none the less, Talksport had Danny Higginbotham on on of their shows yesterday and they were talking about wages.

 

He was at Derby when they got relegated and had a 10% wage cut built in for relegation, he then agreed to join Saints on a lower wage, with a clause saying it would be reviewed after he played 40 games for us.

 

That 40 game review came in the middle of our relegation scrap so he felt it was wrong to mention it, but he did confirm that when we were relegated, his contract had a 60% wage cut built in.

 

He did say the club were pretty underhand as then offered another new contract on an even lower figure (I'm guessing this must have been under Wilde and admin was already looming) which was then withdrawn, and eventually he felt hounded out of the club (accused the club of feeding false info to the media) and left for Stoke.

 

It's the first time I've heard anyone confirm what the relegation clauses were.

[Matthew Le God]

Not strictly relevant but interesting none the less, Talksport had Danny Higginbotham on on of their shows yesterday and they were talking about wages.

 

He was at Derby when they got relegated and had a 10% wage cut built in for relegation, he then agreed to join Saints on a lower wage, with a clause saying it would be reviewed after he played 40 games for us.

 

That 40 game review came in the middle of our relegation scrap so he felt it was wrong to mention it, but he did confirm that when we were relegated, his contract had a 60% wage cut built in.

 

He did say the club were pretty underhand as then offered another new contract on an even lower figure (I'm guessing this must have been under Wilde and admin was already looming) which was then withdrawn, and eventually he felt hounded out of the club (accused the club of feeding false info to the media) and left for Stoke.

 

It's the first time I've heard anyone confirm what the relegation clauses were.

 

He left Saints 3 years before SLH went into admin. The club embarked on a spending spree in the summer Higginbotham left.

Edited 31 July, 2013 by Matthew Le God

[Glasgow_Saint]

I don't think singing Rory Delap in 2001 is on the same level as signing players like Ramirez

 

 

Not another Ramirez thread/debate please

 

If everyone created a thread with their thoughts on the transfer situation day to day, we'd be flooded with them. Better to keep it in one place.

[Crowds]

A face value argument is fine looking at transfer fees etc...

But you have to take into account the wages have probably gone up 5X!

[Chez]

As a regular on the Skate transfer Saga thread I can confirm that the blue few have been derided for the last three years for not questioning some of the mega money signings they made and their ability to fund them. TV money has gone up for sure since then and we have a larger stadium to bring in greater income, so perhaps there are big differences, but current fees and wages are bigger than ever and I have not seen a single Saints fan raise a question about our own spending and perhaps more importantly what might happen should we have bad season and somehow get relegated. I therefore thought I'd do that now.

 

Do you think these new £10m-£20m signings have accepted a reduction in wages in line with the reduced in income of the Championship? Has Lovren got a 60% reductuion relegation clause in his contract similar to the Higginbottom one mentioned above for instance? Is a relation clause standard practice these days? If not will the huge parachute payments keep us out of difficulty? Is our wage bill well within our limits now, but more importantly if we went down. Or is there simply no chance we will go down so it doesn't matter?

Edited 31 July, 2013 by Chez

[Matthew Le God]

As a regular on the Skate transfer Saga thread I can confirm that the blue few have been derided for the last three years for not questioning some of the mega money signings they made and their ability to fund them. TV money has gone up for sure since then and we have a larger stadium to bring in greater income, so perhaps there are big differences, but current fees and wages are bigger than ever and I have not seen a single Saints fan raise a question about our own spending and perhaps more importantly what might happen should we have bad season and somehow get relegated. I therefore thought I'd do that now.

 

Do you think these new £10m-£20m signings have accepted a reduction in wages in line with the reduced in income of the Championship? Has Lovren got a 60% reductuion relegation clause in his contract similar to the Higginbottom one mentioned above for instance? Is a relation clause standard practice these days? If not will the huge parachute payments keep us out of difficulty? Is our wage bill well within our limits now, but more importantly if we went down. Or is there simply no chance we will go down so it doesn't matter?

 

A lot of our players would be sellable if relegation happened. The likes of Wanyama, Ramirez, Lovren, Shaw, Schneiderlin, Clyne, Rodriguez etc would be snapped up before any Championship wage decrease was required. It is a young squad and would raise a large amount.

[Chez]

A lot of our players would be sellable if relegation happened. The likes of Wanyama, Ramirez, Lovren, Shaw, Schneiderlin, Clyne, Rodriguez etc would be snapped up before any Championship wage decrease was required. It is a young squad and would raise a large amount.

 

fair point, but for us to go down there might need to be some poor seasons for some of these guys and that can make it tougher for them to be sold. You only need a few £50k a week guys stuck on the wage bill to bleed you dry.