Marsdinho Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 I was thinking last night about our new ambitious era, and the cash we have spent on Lovren and Wanyama. I still need to pinch myself that we are back in the Prem and buying players for circa 12M. I thought to myself that this is all well and good, but you know when you are a force to be reckoned with when you are able to pinch players of other Prem teams. I then saw this article this morning http://www.thejournal.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/agenda-premier-leagues-domestic-transfer-5382777 Which raises the question, when was the last time we bought a player from another Prem team? Am I right in thinking it was Delap from Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Jack Cork? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 We are reluctant to buy from other PL teams. I think we like the idea that new signings will first play PL football for us rather than having a history with another PL side. To be honest it is probably because they are always more expensive & much harder to sign players that their current side doesn't want to let go. Not many Prem - Prem bargains to be had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Jack Cork 7th July 2011 from Chelsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Jack Cork? We weren't a PL team then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Jack Cork 7th July 2011 from Chelsea We were in the Championship then. The OP refers to taking players from other Prem teams, meaning he is referring to a scenario where we are also in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Then its a loaded question seeing as until last year we hadn't been in the Premier League for a while. We have bought domestically, which is what that article is really talking about a lot what with Cork, Sharp, Jay Rod and Clyne all joining. Not many Prem players will move to a newly promoted team unless they are struggling for game time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 30 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 30 July, 2013 The article was only vaguely linked to my question, but yes I did mean "when was the last time we bought a player from a Premier League team, whilst in the Prem ourselves" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Jack Cork 7th July 2011 from Chelsea Get it right MLG, the devil is in the detail. He said "other prem teams" as in we were prem team and buying from the other ones. Like when we bought Rory Delap or Mark Draper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 (edited) Olivier Bernard - 31st January 2005 undisclosed fee from Newcastle. Edited 30 July, 2013 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Ok then, Olivier Bernard - 31st January 2005 undisclosed fee from Newcastle. And what a rip-roaring success that one turned out to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Who is the best player we ever signed from another prem team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Who is the best player we ever signed from another prem team? James Beattie. Kevin Davies (first time). Niemi (ok pushing it, Scottish Prem League...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Not many is there. I will give you beats and that's it. MLG feel free to pull up Bucks saints about Kevin Davies and Chesterfield or whoever it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsie Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 James Beattie. Kevin Davies (first time). Niemi (ok pushing it, Scottish Prem League...) Kevin Davies was signed from Chesterfield the first time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 who was the one we had off portsmouth? Midfielder? Shit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Squashie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Olivier Bernard - 31st January 2005 undisclosed fee from Newcastle. Also since Delap signed in 2001 Saints as a Premier League side signed Kevin Phillips, Jamie Redknapp, Peter Crouch from other Premier League sides. We signed Phillps from Sunderland who were in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Dan Petrescu? He did well short term actually. Such a quality player, always forget he played for us! Yeah I don't remember him really. How bout Le Saux? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Kevin Davies was signed from Chesterfield the first time around. plus 1 MLG points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Yeah I don't remember him really. How bout Le Saux? Yeah he was good but wasn't it a swap deal so not 100% down to us, just they didn't want him anymore? It appears we have a better record with full backs, I can see what Redknapp was thinking with OB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Who is the best player we ever signed from another prem team? On Crouchie, Crouchie you used to be a Skate but you're alright now. Signed from Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Don't players in the prem earn much more, therefore offer very little value when moving within the premier league. And players will rarely move for a drop in salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Was Coventry in the PL when we signed Paul Williams probably the most underwhelming signing we made but boy did he come good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Who is the best player we ever signed from another prem team? Shilton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Shilton? Get ready for a slap down! Football was invented in 1992 way after shilts signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Did anyone read the article btw? It says "intermediaries" quoted Newcastle £7m for Luke Shaw in January. Who is these intermediaries and why is they touting Luke Shaw around for £7m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Kevin Davies was signed from Chesterfield the first time around. My bad. Feeble excuse i know but am recovering from a stag session in Dublin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Did anyone read the article btw? It says "intermediaries" quoted Newcastle £7m for Luke Shaw in January. Who is these intermediaries and why is they touting Luke Shaw around for £7m? Joe Kinnear but he got mixed up when he reported back to Pardew and said they can buy a Rick Shaw for £7m so Pardew never followed up with a bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 I was thinking last night about our new ambitious era, and the cash we have spent on Lovren and Wanyama. I still need to pinch myself that we are back in the Prem and buying players for circa 12M. I thought to myself that this is all well and good, but you know when you are a force to be reckoned with when you are able to pinch players of other Prem teams. I then saw this article this morning http://www.thejournal.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/agenda-premier-leagues-domestic-transfer-5382777 Which raises the question, when was the last time we bought a player from another Prem team? Am I right in thinking it was Delap from Derby. Very biased question in my honest opinion. When was the last time, or how often does, a league 1 or championship side buy a premier league first team standard player from a premier league team.... Because that has been our situation for nearly a decade. If anything that article makes me realise what a great future we have... it bemoans the lack of opportunities for English talent, how no english players have made transfers this summer etc etc.... Well to my mind, we got a cracking player (to be) in Jayrod last summer. We've got cork, lallana, shaw, jwp, rowe, lallana, lambert, clyne, chambers, and apparently isgrove. As far as i'm concerned, that is eight first team premier league players who are all english.... we've produced 5 of those eight, lambert has developed under us, and jayrod and cork were great buys. (not including rowe, chambers and isgrove as first teamers of course. We may not get champions league football, but when they start to tighten home grown player rules (which they honestly need to do) we will be laughing... no one has a youths et up that can match our production train. And that is no disrespect to the likes of tottenham and liverpool who play their actualy youth unlike united who fielded several million pounds worth of talent against us last year in u21s. The future is very bright for us, and our commitment to british youth is going to win us many friends and admirers. Everyone I speak to who saw us last year (opposition fans) was amazed by the number of st george's flags on our team sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Did anyone read the article btw? It says "intermediaries" quoted Newcastle £7m for Luke Shaw in January. Who is these intermediaries and why is they touting Luke Shaw around for £7m? Newcastle were quoted £7m three years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Did anyone read the article btw? It says "intermediaries" quoted Newcastle £7m for Luke Shaw in January. Who is these intermediaries and why is they touting Luke Shaw around for £7m? IMO "intermediaries" are people LIKE that ex Saints player who was hired by Arsenal to "do a report" on AOC and as we all know their first offer was only about £5M for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 This isn't unique to the Premier League. Any team is unwilling to sell to teams in the same league for any price. It's seen as strengthening their own direct rivals, especially by the fans. It seems more pronounced here because there's so much money available, meaning the price gets ridiculously inflated to stop this strengthening of direct rivals. Also because the Premier League is seen as the best league in the world, and is English speaking (becoming more and more a universally learned language), meaning foreign players are far more willing to move here than the other way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmonkey1979 Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Wasn't Chris Marsden bought from a prem club? I'll throw his name into the hat for our best prem - prem signing if so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 30 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Very biased question in my honest opinion. When was the last time, or how often does, a league 1 or championship side buy a premier league first team standard player from a premier league team.... Because that has been our situation for nearly a decade. If anything that article makes me realise what a great future we have... it bemoans the lack of opportunities for English talent, how no english players have made transfers this summer etc etc.... Well to my mind, we got a cracking player (to be) in Jayrod last summer. We've got cork, lallana, shaw, jwp, rowe, lallana, lambert, clyne, chambers, and apparently isgrove. As far as i'm concerned, that is eight first team premier league players who are all english.... we've produced 5 of those eight, lambert has developed under us, and jayrod and cork were great buys. (not including rowe, chambers and isgrove as first teamers of course. We may not get champions league football, but when they start to tighten home grown player rules (which they honestly need to do) we will be laughing... no one has a youths et up that can match our production train. And that is no disrespect to the likes of tottenham and liverpool who play their actualy youth unlike united who fielded several million pounds worth of talent against us last year in u21s. The future is very bright for us, and our commitment to british youth is going to win us many friends and admirers. Everyone I speak to who saw us last year (opposition fans) was amazed by the number of st george's flags on our team sheet. What about all the other years that we were in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Wasn't Chris Marsden bought from a prem club? I'll throw his name into the hat for our best prem - prem signing if so No, Dave Jones got him from Brum who weren't in the Prem at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Lots of poor to average ones. Too often British players on the way down, old, unwanted, injury prone - Venison, Ripley, Hughes, Walters, Hirst, Beresford. Add for the average list Graham Le Saux, David Howells, trod Egil Soltvedt and Scott Marshall as possibly our worst ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 What about all the other years that we were in the Prem. I don't think you can compare the landscape in english football in previous years to what it is today. This is the first time we as a club have had exposure to this level of funding. Before that, yes, it was starting to creep in at the very very top, but not to the degree that a team getting relegated could top spend what qpr did in january on remy and samba etc... The simple truth is, we won't be pinching to many players of other prem teams. If we want english players we will do what we did with clyne and jayrod or we will create our own... if we want foreigners... we will go abroad. The only real reason to buy in england is to buy home grown players.... Compare us to other clubs in the premier, i.e. swansea who didn't field a single U21 english player last season - they need to buy and keep hold of young british players... Especially for europe... we just don't have that need as we are comfortable.. Hence our millions can go on a select set of european targets to supplement the squad in areas we can't fill from the academy. I repeat, this is new territory for us.. we have not been this comfortable before financially, when we were relegated there was more towards the 50-60% british players in the prem, the money sloshing around was far far less, and there was less of a premium on domestic players... we went down, went down again, meanwhile the premier moved on.... now we are back and we have a very different set up to alot of premier teams. It bodes very well to us... but the comment about "when was the last time we poached a premier league player" is silly i feel... you are seeking a meaningful comparison between us today, and a time when the British record transfer was shearer at £15m, which was then called "buying the league" - city have spent circa £1bn and were totally out of it last year. You can no longer compare the league today with the league 10 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Hugh Fisher. Brian O'Neill. John McGrath. Joe Kirkup. Peter Osgood. Charlie George. Dave Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 We weren't a PL team then. AND to be fair, he'd never played in Chelsea's first team and had spent most of his League career out on loan to lower league sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 Stuart Ripley? Another poor one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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