Poch is so tired of FIFA

[RonManager]

Not happy.

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/5038654/Mauricio-Pochettino-is-so-tired-of-FIFA.html

[Turkish]

Can't really complain, that's what you get with signing players from around the globe, we know that they will travel a lot when we sign them so can't whinge when it happens.

[Pastor Patrón]

It takes a professional athlete a month to recover from a football match these days eh?

[red&white56]

It takes a professional athlete a month to recover from a football match these days eh?

 

It's a bit like me after a tough day in the office!!

[Olallana]

well it´s not a football match for these two players, is it??

[Sour Mash]

well it´s not a football match for these two players, is it??

Good point. Half a football match in Ramirez's case.

[Saint Martini]

Can't really complain, that's what you get with signing players from around the globe, we know that they will travel a lot when we sign them so can't whinge when it happens.

Its one thing having players travel long distances once a while. It's another having them play a one month after their normal season finishes and then having a useless friendly again before their regular season starts. The teams that played the Confederations Cup should not have been allowed to play a friendly in August as well.

It takes a professional athlete a month to recover from a football match these days eh?

I think it's more about recovering from a while season.

[Pastor Patrón]

well it´s not a football match for these two players, is it??

 

Ramirez played all of 45 minutes and missed the end of last season, he's got no excuse whatsoever not to be fit for the start of the season unless he's injured.

[Turkish]

Its one thing having players travel long distances once a while. It's another having them play a one month after their normal season finishes and then having a useless friendly again before their regular season starts. The teams that played the Confederations Cup should not have been allowed to play a friendly in August as well. I think it's more about recovering from a while season.

 

You see this is what makes me laugh, people moan about players not taking England call ups seriously and no one caring a our the national side, yet when its players with us that are internationals for another country we don't want them to play. I disagree entirely, you can't have double standards about this, if the player gets an international call up then they go on international duty, we knew the risk when we signed a Japanese and Uruguayan player and that this would happen and it is. If we don't like it don't sign players from other continents.

[Olallana]

Both Ramirez and Yoshida played the olympics last summer so they both practically played football for two straight years before the vacation this summer.

 

That Ramirez didn´t play the last games of our season and not that much in Confed is not the thing. If you dont know it, a footballers life is 90% training and 10% games and just because you dont play games doesn´t mean you dont go up every day to do your work.

 

It´s all about the need to have time off completely from the game, go on vacation and recharge your batteries, not physically but mentally.

 

How would you guys feel if you had to work for two straight years, without any vacations?

 

(not that I expect some of the people on here to understand this)

[Asaint4ever]

They need man up! How much do they get paid to kick a ball around the pitch for 90 mins a week? Jesus

[Bensfcno1]

I think Gaston's fitness troubles have been ongoing since he got here. So would have been nice to get a full pre-season out of him to get him Saints fit for once, but having an international player comes with it's costs as stated before so we will just have to manage his playing time and training to get him match fit and sharp enough to get the best out of him this season, rather than rushing him back into starting just because he is an influential player.

[Pastor Patrón]

Both Ramirez and Yoshida played the olympics last summer so they both practically played football for two straight years before the vacation this summer.

 

That Ramirez didn´t play the last games of our season and not that much in Confed is not the thing. If you dont know it, a footballers life is 90% training and 10% games and just because you dont play games doesn´t mean you dont go up every day to do your work.

 

It´s all about the need to have time off completely from the game, go on vacation and recharge your batteries, not physically but mentally.

 

How would you guys feel if you had to work for two straight years, without any vacations?

 

(not that I expect some of the people on here to understand this)

 

So he's mentally unfit, not physically is what you're saying?

[Olallana]

So he's mentally unfit, not physically is what you're saying?

 

Mentally unfit?

Yeah that´s about close to what I said.......

[Sour Mash]

Both Ramirez and Yoshida played the olympics last summer so they both practically played football for two straight years before the vacation this summer.

 

That Ramirez didn´t play the last games of our season and not that much in Confed is not the thing. If you dont know it, a footballers life is 90% training and 10% games and just because you dont play games doesn´t mean you dont go up every day to do your work.

 

It´s all about the need to have time off completely from the game, go on vacation and recharge your batteries, not physically but mentally.

 

How would you guys feel if you had to work for two straight years, without any vacations?

 

(not that I expect some of the people on here to understand this)

Not playing games makes a massive difference. Look at Lambert's interview at the end of last season, he makes it clear how draining it is playing in the Premier League, a completely different intensity to training. Also, he has had holidays over the last two years (holidays, not "vacations"). Furthermore, it's no different a situation to what a lot of other young international players have to cope with, all part of the game I'm afraid.

[Sour Mash]

I think Gaston's fitness troubles have been ongoing since he got here. So would have been nice to get a full pre-season out of him to get him Saints fit for once, but having an international player comes with it's costs as stated before so we will just have to manage his playing time and training to get him match fit and sharp enough to get the best out of him this season, rather than rushing him back into starting just because he is an influential player.

Agreed. Probably won't be fair to judge him this season as he hasn't had a full pre-season - will wait til the end of the 14/15 campaign.

[Glasgow_Saint]

 

not physically but mentally.

 

 

Oh ive heard it all now! Why does every thread get turned into an anti Ramirez or Lallana thread?

 

Ramirez was our second best non-striker goalscorer last season that also put in a few good assists, helping a newly promoted team finish 14th when 17th would be good enough for 95% of the fans.

 

No waste in my book and certainly not mentally unfit.

[Saint Charlie]

It is absolutely ludicrous to have a friendly midweek before the first game. Completely bizarre and will probably mean neither Ramirez nor Yoshida start the first game.

 

By the way, its clear pre seasons are very important, and well organised in terms of progression and game time. Having a player join up half way through is obviously not ideal and is in no way the fault of the player who clearly needs rest time where they are not training.

[VectisSaint]

I think the issue is more about playing a meaningless friendly just before the start of the season that is really irritating. What is the point of an international break right at the start of the season, especially when it is used for meaningless friendlies. FIFA really need to get a grip on the schedule, if they insist on international breaks then at least schedule them in when teams have played a few games. I don't know for sure but suspect it is unlikely that a friendly between Japan and Uruguay had been arranged when Gaston and Yoshi signed last year, so no way could Saints have guessed they would both be jetting off to Japan. What's more don't think it was decided then that Japan and Uruguay had qualified for the Confed Cup, but could be wrong. Its bad luck, but it does show how stupid FIFA can be. Next you know they will be looking to run the 1922 World Cup in the winter, and that will feck the schedules for all leagues for 2 seasons at least.

[Delboy Dave]

These men need to get a fekkin grip! I've been at work 10yrs straight and these wimps can't do 2 years on the money they're on? They earn in a week what I earn in a year ffs

[Glasgow_Saint]

It is absolutely ludicrous to have a friendly midweek before the first game. Completely bizarre and will probably mean neither Ramirez nor Yoshida start the first game.

 

By the way, its clear pre seasons are very important, and well organised in terms of progression and game time. Having a player join up half way through is obviously not ideal and is in no way the fault of the player who clearly needs rest time where they are not training.

 

Premiership is very much a squad game, hence my surprise when NC said "just one more"

 

Think its naive of MoPo & SFC to sanction the sale or release of 11-14 players and then only sign 2. To then moan about your small squad before the season starts is stupid.

 

Failure to prepare is preparing to fail

[Saint Martini]

You see this is what makes me laugh, people moan about players not taking England call ups seriously and no one caring a our the national side, yet when its players with us that are internationals for another country we don't want them to play. I disagree entirely, you can't have double standards about this, if the player gets an international call up then they go on international duty, we knew the risk when we signed a Japanese and Uruguayan player and that this would happen and it is. If we don't like it don't sign players from other continents.

 

Where in my post did I say they shouldn't play for their national teams? I don't have a problem with the national football associations and them calling up Yoshida and Ramirez. I do have a problem with FIFA planning badly. The Confederations Cup should have been held at least a week earlier (it was a whole 3 weeks after the CL final, some teams had already started pre-season training) and since it was this late FIFA knew that the players involved would have difficulty in pre-season because of their late break after the season. Now does it sound unreasonalble for FIFA to tell the countries involved in the Confederations Cup that they wouldn't be allowed to use the august friendly option. I think its good MP is targeting those at fault (FIFA, not individual countries).

[Charlie Wayman]

We have to ride the punches, that's what you do if you climb into the ring. Stop whinging Pochettino, you could have sent them all off to Butlins for a fortnight rather than fart about in Spain on hot cinders.

[Turkish]

Where in my post did I say they shouldn't play for their national teams? I don't have a problem with the national football associations and them calling up Yoshida and Ramirez. I do have a problem with FIFA planning badly. The Confederations Cup should have been held at least a week earlier (it was a whole 3 weeks after the CL final, some teams had already started pre-season training) and since it was this late FIFA knew that the players involved would have difficulty in pre-season because of their late break after the season. Now does it sound unreasonalble for FIFA to tell the countries involved in the Confederations Cup that they wouldn't be allowed to use the august friendly option. I think its good MP is targeting those at fault (FIFA, not individual countries).

 

Where o you then draw the line? Should players who play in the World Cup and Euros not be allowed to play in the friendlies in August?

 

In any case Ramirez has no excuses, he had a 6 week break before the confederation cup after getting himself sent off and didn't play a full 90 minutes for months before, he's also had a break after it too. He might not be match fit but that will come but he has had a fair few weeks rest this summer.

Edited 29 July, 2013 by Turkish

[JPTCount]

lol

 

i didn't realise he was speaking english to the press yet, because of things like this...

 

and the poorly translated quote is probably an answer to a question, all twisted to continue the promotion of hate, whipping us all up into a frenzy, shaking fists etc.

 

honestly, why does anyone take the traditional media seriously.....?

[Sour Mash]

I think the issue is more about playing a meaningless friendly just before the start of the season that is really irritating. What is the point of an international break right at the start of the season, especially when it is used for meaningless friendlies. FIFA really need to get a grip on the schedule, if they insist on international breaks then at least schedule them in when teams have played a few games. I don't know for sure but suspect it is unlikely that a friendly between Japan and Uruguay had been arranged when Gaston and Yoshi signed last year, so no way could Saints have guessed they would both be jetting off to Japan. What's more don't think it was decided then that Japan and Uruguay had qualified for the Confed Cup, but could be wrong. Its bad luck, but it does show how stupid FIFA can be. Next you know they will be looking to run the 1922 World Cup in the winter, and that will feck the schedules for all leagues for 2 seasons at least.

Its nothing to do with luck. Plus clubs/fans used to moan when frendlies were held a couple of weeks into season. I believe FIFA are starting to push for the Qatar world cup to be played during our winter.

[sammysaint]

As people have said its a squad game now, bar very few, 1st team regulars play 30 prem league games of which there start 26-28, this is why you need 2 good players in each position, ok not all of our 2nd best in each position is going to top class, but either young and developing eg Chambers JWP or someone who can play really well sometimes but mainly poor, eg Guly and Fox.

 

When we signed Yoshida and Gaston we knew they would miss games and that fits in with my average of 30 premier league games a season for 1st team regulars, in all fairness we cover at CB and last season Punch and Jay Rod were better then Gaston and Lallana was about the same quality as Gaston, so no big loss if they miss the odd game, were not the only team.

[Saint Martini]

Where o you then draw the line? Should players who play in the World Cup and Euros not be allowed to play in the friendlies in August?

 

In any case Ramirez has no excuses, he had a 6 week break before the confederation cup after getting himself sent off and didn't play a full 90 minutes for months before, he's also had a break after it too. He might not be match fit but that will come but he has had a fair few weeks rest this summer.

 

Concerning your first point, any team involved in a summer tournament in June/July should play friendlies in August.

 

When it comes to Ramirez, I can agree with you up to some point. On the other hand, there's a difference between a vacation and having a bit less to do at work and Ramirez has been having problems with his fitness ever since he signed for us.

[dubai_phil]

Its nothing to do with luck. Plus clubs/fans used to moan when frendlies were held a couple of weeks into season. I believe FIFA are starting to push for the Qatar world cup to be played during our winter.

 

And so they should. It was an idiotic decision in the first place to have a summer WC in 40C heat, but then that's the problem. Players like Maya & Gaston are just dollar signs to morons in suits.

 

There is a huge risk that a player or fan could die in Qatar in the heat of the summer, but oh no, it was all about the financials. Play it in the winter, the only sane answer. Oh no we can't because we'd lose PL & CL money...

[buctootim]

There is a huge risk that a player or fan could die in Qatar in the heat of the summer, but oh no, it was all about the financials.

 

It was clearly about the bribes to the committee members. Ludicrous decision to give it to Qatar at any time of the year, let alone summer.

[ericofarabia]

And so they should. It was an idiotic decision in the first place to have a summer WC in 40C heat, but then that's the problem. Players like Maya & Gaston are just dollar signs to morons in suits.

 

There is a huge risk that a player or fan could die in Qatar in the heat of the summer, but oh no, it was all about the financials. Play it in the winter, the only sane answer. Oh no we can't because we'd lose PL & CL money...

 

Job discription was basically be able to provide World Cup facilities for World Cup May / June 2022 ....

not name a month that suits you and we'll re adjust our views on your bid and the rest of the world's football calander to fit in with it..!

[VectisSaint]

Its nothing to do with luck.

Actually it is. As I said its bad luck that we ended up with 2 players playing for opposing teams in a meaningless friendly on the other side of the world. I bet there are not many teams who have the same problem, i.e. teams that have a Uruguay and a Japan international, I'm sure someone will come up with one but not many. Are Kenya playing Croatia the same day by any chance? [no Croatia are playing another meaningless friendly in Luxemburg]

[Sour Mash]

Actually it is. As I said its bad luck that we ended up with 2 players playing for opposing teams in a meaningless friendly on the other side of the world. I bet there are not many teams who have the same problem, i.e. teams that have a Uruguay and a Japan international, I'm sure someone will come up with one but not many. Are Kenya playing Croatia the same day by any chance? [no Croatia are playing another meaningless friendly in Luxemburg]

If you sign Japanese and Uruguayan internationals you can't complain of bad luck when they have to jet off all round the world for international games.

[VectisSaint]

There is a huge risk that a player or fan could die in Qatar in the heat of the summer, but oh no, it was all about the financials. Play it in the winter, the only sane answer. Oh no we can't because we'd lose PL & CL money...

It has much more far-reaching implications than just PL and CL. All pro football leagues will be impacted and the effects will spread over 2 seasons as all the leagues will have to change their fixture lists to fit around the WC and the 600 plus players and officials directly impacted. Stupidity in the extreme to have the WC in Qatar and compounded by moving it to the winter, all so that we can anticipate one of about 4 teams possibly winning the competition. FIFA need to realise that the lifeblood of football is club competition, not internationals.

[dubai_phil]

It was clearly about the bribes to the committee members. Ludicrous decision to give it to Qatar at any time of the year, let alone summer.

 

Won't answer your b comment, but actually, bringing the WC to the Middle East per se was NOT a stupid idea, this place is as bonkers about football as the rest of the planet and they deserve the chance to watch something like this.

The country itself that they chose? No issue with that, UNLESS you are a supplier or someone who wants to build stuff for them. Put simply, empirical evidence suggest they won't ever get paid.

Qatar WC yeah well you said it, but an ME WC? Good idea, it was never going to be in Saudi or Kuwait (Budweiser money) Bahrain have the GP & AT THE TIME the UAE was broke.

But in the summer - NO unless it is indoors.

[NickG]

If you sign Japanese and Uruguayan internationals you can't complain of bad luck when they have to jet off all round the world for international games.

 

He didn't

[itchen_dan]

If Gaston and Yoshida aren't ready for the WBA game then this is how I'd like us to line up based on pre season form and current availability.

 

[VectisSaint]

If you sign Japanese and Uruguayan internationals you can't complain of bad luck when they have to jet off all round the world for international games.

OK, I give up, it seems you are a bit too dense to understand. But I'll give it one more go. When we signed Maya and Gaston the friendly between the 2 countries was not arranged, and it was not known that they would both have played in the Confed Cup as well. Therefore it is bad luck for us that these two events that together are unlikely would impact any team, and it is very bad luck that it impacts us. If you don't think that is bad luck then I don't know what is. Jeez.

[Turkish]

If Gaston and Yoshida aren't ready for the WBA game then this is how I'd like us to line up based on pre season form and current availability.

 

 

Clyne isn't available and has no form at th moment.

[itchen_dan]

Clyne isn't available and has no form at th moment.

 

Swap him for Cork then.

[bender]

I just hate fifa coz of that scu mbag f1lthy piece of sh it Blatter. That is all.

[Turkish]

OK, I give up, it seems you are a bit too dense to understand. But I'll give it one more go. When we signed Maya and Gaston the friendly between the 2 countries was not arranged, and it was not known that they would both have played in the Confed Cup as well. Therefore it is bad luck for us that these two events that together are unlikely would impact any team, and it is very bad luck that it impacts us. If you don't think that is bad luck then I don't know what is. Jeez.

 

Both Japan and Uraguay had qualified for the confederation cup when we signed Yoshida and Ramirez so actually we would have known. What were you saying about being dense?

[Pastor Patrón]

If Gaston and Yoshida aren't ready for the WBA game then this is how I'd like us to line up based on pre season form and current availability.

 

 

 

Boruc

 

Cork Lovren Yosh Shaw

 

Wanyama Schneiderlin

 

Puncheon Davis Rodriguez

 

Lambert

[Saint Garrett]

Boruc; Clyne Lovren Hooiveld Shaw; Wanyama Morgan Cork; JRod Lallana; Lambert.

[Sour Mash]

Won't answer your b comment, but actually, bringing the WC to the Middle East per se was NOT a stupid idea, this place is as bonkers about football as the rest of the planet and they deserve the chance to watch something like this.

Why do they "deserve" the chance? They've done absolutely nothing to deserve it.

[Sour Mash]

Boruc

 

Cork Lovren Yosh Shaw

 

Wanyama Schneiderlin

 

Puncheon Davis Rodriguez

 

Lambert

That'd be my choice, but with Hooiveld in for Yoshida and possibly Lallana for Davis.

[Sour Mash]

OK, I give up, it seems you are a bit too dense to understand. But I'll give it one more go. When we signed Maya and Gaston the friendly between the 2 countries was not arranged, and it was not known that they would both have played in the Confed Cup as well. Therefore it is bad luck for us that these two events that together are unlikely would impact any team, and it is very bad luck that it impacts us. If you don't think that is bad luck then I don't know what is. Jeez.

No it's not bad luck. How simple are you?

[dubai_phil]

Why do they "deserve" the chance? They've done absolutely nothing to deserve it.

 

Why did football fans in England deserve it?

 

Do you honestly think you are the ONLY fans of FOOTBALL in the world? Europe & The Americas carved up hosting the WC for decades until it went to Asia in 2002 (which was a huge success)

 

The African Nation (& Shakira) had their tournament in 2010, the Arab world have theirs this time round. The PEOPLE deserve it.

 

 

 

 

 

Not the Governments

[Sour Mash]

Why did football fans in England deserve it?

 

Do you honestly think you are the ONLY fans of FOOTBALL in the world? Europe & The Americas carved up hosting the WC for decades until it went to Asia in 2002 (which was a huge success)

 

The African Nation (& Shakira) had their tournament in 2010, the Arab world have theirs this time round. The PEOPLE deserve it.

 

 

 

 

 

Not the Governments

England created the game, have a league famed the world over, some of the traditionally best, most original support the world over, iconic grounds, history, heritage.

 

I'll ask again, why do Qatar DESERVE it?

[DuncanRG]

The Qatar world cup is a total farce, we all know that. I'd have been far more aggrieved about England's bid failing if it were to Qatar.