MP - 'World Class'

[Batman]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/5038976/Adam-Lallana-praises-world-class-Mauricio-Pochettino.html

 

'didnt hear many complaints from the players about changing manager as they were so impressed by MP'

'lads are thriving under MP'

'we feel as one as a squad now'

'players stayed in touch on their breaks, face-timing each other'

 

 

oh no, i guess NC ordered him to say these things..

Edited 29 July, 2013 by Batman

[Sour Mash]

Can't knock it, really good, positive article. Will be able to judge if MP is "World Class" at the end of this seaon though.

[Batman]

Can't knock it, really good, positive article. Will be able to judge if MP is "World Class" at the end of this seaon though.

 

be nice to start the season in real form. we have a great chance too with a decent set of fixtures

[Sour Mash]

be nice to start the season in real form. we have a great chance too with a decent set of fixtures

Agreed, can't complain about our opening fixtures at all, real opportunity to start well and get some real momentum going.

[DuncanRG]

Great to hear - as the article points out it's hard to fake this kind of stuff.

 

Congrats to Adam on his engagement as well - hadn't heard about that.

[Batman]

I'd say most managers in the top flight of the big leagues have to be considered world class don't they? Even if it does include a few rubbish ones! If it means top 100 managers in the world, then he's in it you'd imagine.

 

Holloway, Hughes, di canio, fat Sam, Steve Bruce?

Not so sure

[Sour Mash]

I'd say most managers in the top flight of the big leagues have to be considered world class don't they? Even if it does include a few rubbish ones! If it means top 100 managers in the world, then he's in it you'd imagine.

No, I don't think simply managing in the top flight can mean you're considered "world class".

[Frank's cousin]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/5038976/Adam-Lallana-praises-world-class-Mauricio-Pochettino.html

 

'didnt hear many complaints from the players about changing manager as they were so impressed by MP'

'lads are thriving under MP'

'we feel as one as a squad now'

'players stayed in touch on their breaks, face-timing each other'

 

 

oh no, i guess NC ordered him to say these things..

 

To be honst, these sorts of comments are pretty typical after a 'Change'. The sqaud and Adkins had come a long way together on the 'bus'. achieved a huge amount and realised the ambition of a return to top flight. They then had a bit of a rude awakening, in that whilst still playing well and often with style, the reality was that at the higher level, mistakes were punished and results tough to get. No surprize if there were feeling teh pressure, and that gets to everyone eventually, especially if Nige was living on borrowed time anyway.

 

The change was clearly a positive, in that it shakes things up and helps get out of any rut, new training, new faces eventually and new ideas. Not always necessarily better, but different and that's often the important thing. Think Adam's comments and those we have seen from othere reflect that + the the fact we have invested reasonably and that also potentially injects a new enthusiasm.

[DuncanRG]

World class managers in the Premier League: Wenger, Mourinho, Moyes, Pelligrini. Others might end up that way - my money would be on Laudrup, Rodgers and possibly Pochettino.

[Sour Mash]

Well 'world class' is a pointless debate until someone defines the terms.

You could define it as exceptional and stand-out performance and achievement in their field which puts them head and shoulders above the majority of their peers?

[Saint_clark]

World class managers in the Premier League: Wenger, Mourinho, Moyes, Pelligrini. Others might end up that way - my money would be on Laudrup, Rodgers and possibly Pochettino.

 

Way too early to list Moyes as a world class manager!

[Batman]

World class managers in the Premier League: Wenger, Mourinho, Moyes, Pelligrini. Others might end up that way - my money would be on Laudrup, Rodgers and possibly Pochettino.

 

AvB is, IMO

[SNOWY]

I'm still not convinced either way about MP. Lets' see where we are in January. Team spirit does appear to be strong which is good news.

[tajjuk]

Nice article and from the videos and pictures team spirit seems to be good.

 

The key point though I think is about the preparation and our pre-season, whilst other clubs are off promoting themselves around the world playing on terrible pitches in asia our team are hard at work away from the limelight.

[Saint Jude]

not so interested in whether Adam rates MP... but really good to see, the correct things being done in pre-season... building team spirit, getting fit etc... rather than playing some Asian tournament, a long way away on a dodgy pitch... cynical journalists would be the first to point out if the team spirit was being staged...and it looks genuine... fairly play to both NC and MP.... let's hope we reap the benefits...

[Lighthouse]

Anyway, MP hasn't proved that much. Some good things, some bad. Talks sense, seems respected but it's all in the future for him.

 

Any sensible player will back the manager, same in most professions it doesn't often pay off to slag them off while you're still employed.

 

Exactly. Pretty much every club will have players saying stuff like this about their manager. I remember players being full of praise for Jan Poortvleit.

[Give it to Ron]

My one problem is that when he took over I thought he would unleash some hidden Spanish/Argie gems

similar to Swansea. Up to now we have not seen one ex player join or anyone from his old teams.

 

I was sceptical at first but towards the end won me over - a big test this year though...can we improve?

[Weston Saint]

Let me say straight away that Adam has been saying these things privately since Pochettino arrived so not news to me.

[saintbletch]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/5038976/Adam-Lallana-praises-world-class-Mauricio-Pochettino.html

 

'didnt hear many complaints from the players about changing manager as they were so impressed by MP'

'lads are thriving under MP'

'we feel as one as a squad now'

'players stayed in touch on their breaks, face-timing each other'

 

 

oh no, i guess NC ordered him to say these things..

 

A great read. Very positive, and it sounds like we're well prepared. Particularly like the family atmosphere that has been engendered.

 

But I have a couple of issues with your paraphrasing of the article.

 

Did it say that the players were face-timing each other on their breaks? I just saw that AL face-timed his young son Arthur during the 18 day pre-season tour.

 

“Some of the young lads won’t have been away so long, some have families. I’ve been using FaceTime to speak to Arthur and it’s nice that he recognises me on screen and waves at me.

 

The bit about Adkins leaving led me to believe that AL was saying that people OUTSIDE the club were asking if it was the right decision to change manager, but that then you didn't hear much from the people OUTSIDE the club, because people OUTSIDE the club were really impressed with MP. You seemed to be suggesting that his referred to the players' attitudes.

 

“Some people outside the club were saying, ‘Was it the right decision to change the manager?’ But then you didn’t hear much because people were really impressed with Mauricio.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Hi Bletch

 

Stop spamming up the mainboard and taking up Brett's valuable time. We are waiting for your porn review on the muppet show.

[Bearsy]

Bletch is world class in his trolling of brett IMO.

[dubai_phil]

Yeah yeah, all very nice, interesting and sincere.

 

But let's see what it all really means at 5pm after the WBA game.

 

 

 

 

[Wurzel]

Well 'world class' is a pointless debate until someone defines the terms.

 

For me "World Class" whether it be player or manager means you hold your own on the world stage. i.e reach and stand out in world cup finals or in the case of individuals like Bale whose nations aren't up to scratch, perform to that level in club competitions i.e. Champions League and equivalents.

Is MP there yet? Think he has the potential, but still needs a few years more experience to prove it. Hopefully he'll do it with us.

[Saint Garrett]

Yeah yeah, all very nice, interesting and sincere.

 

But let's see what it all really means at 5pm after the WBA game.

 

 

 

 

What will you say if we win 3-0?

[saintbletch]

Hi Bletch

 

Stop spamming up the mainboard and taking up Brett's valuable time. We are waiting for your porn review on the muppet show.

 

Sorry Toke. I've done the prep for the porn review, but whilst typing it I gloyed-up the keyboard mechanism.

 

I'll post it up once I've de-DNA'd my keyboard.

 

Bletch is world class in his trolling of brett IMO.[/Quote]

 

Not so, my price-pikey friend.

 

I really appreciate that some people go to the trouble of summarising articles for lurkers/voyeurs like me.

 

It was just that when I read the article, the summary didn't quite match what I read -to the tune of approximately 50% of the bulleted points.

[dubai_phil]

What will you say if we win 3-0?

 

4th place is possible

 

Look we're all bored to death.It's the silly season. This year for the first time we have had some media attention to our pre-season. That's actually great.

 

The only people who would be seeing this article as "new news" however will be those who have'nt followed us up through the Leagues or even via the excellent club Twitter/Social Media feeds.

 

It has been clear for ages that we as a club have fostered Team Spirit hell it's now ingrained in this forum "don't want any big bollix signing". It's not new. As fans we've all said much the same about MP, may not believe he is YET world class but can see promise.

 

Thing is, once the silly season is over, Results then Performances will matter.

 

IF we get dicked 3-0 and make no chances away to WBA will this article be trotted out as an excuse? - Never mind the result, feel the love. Goodluck with that as a riposte to the new Alps

 

Nice to see positive vibes from the media for a change, perhaps IT is really happening, perhaps we'll also become the darlings of the media as well as qualify for the CL.

 

But come that first Saturday? It'll mean sod all.

[Black Sea Saint]

Best thing about this is that it's not only Lallana saying it, but the reporter verifies the great atmosphere in the camp. Could do with another signing or two, then we are set.

[SaintBobby]

Again, what is world class?

 

There are thousands and thousands of managers in the world so I don't see why it would have to be a really tiny group. Fewer than the top 1%? The top 100? 50? 10?

 

And who is to say if it's harder to win at big clubs or build a club from the ground up, work with zero money, rely on your coaching etc. Is Guardiola brilliant or in charge of brilliant players? I honestly don't know.

 

I've always taken "world class" to mean that the individual could feasibly be in position at any club in the world.

 

A "world class" striker could play for Barcelona, Spain or Brazil, for example.

 

So, in terms of players, I'd say that it means you could make it into the World XI against the Martians. (or at least into the squad)

[Saint Charlie]

As I have posted before, a member of the coaching staff who has seen both regimes said that everyone liked Adkins and his training sessions were very good, but that when MP came in things just went up a level and became even better, sharper tactical focus, tougher sessions, and the players performance levels in training went up.

Edited 29 July, 2013 by Saint Charlie

[Bearsy]

I really appreciate that some people go to the trouble of summarising articles for lurkers/voyeurs like me.

 

• Lallanas is fed up with ponch, it feels like they've been putting up with his shit for years already when in fact it is just months
  
• Pochettino spends his long lonely summer nights on tour chatting up coretese's secretary
  
• Cortese bust his leg by over vigorous walking, not, as we previously imagined, kicking small children
  

[Pastor Patrón]

Employee in brown nosing their boss shocker.

[aintforever]

Good article, its great that we appear to have a good team spirit.

 

It's all meaningless waffle though if we get dicked in our first few games.

[adrian lord]

That clown BR in charge at Liverpool will never be 'world class'.

[Window Cleaner]

I've always taken "world class" to mean that the individual could feasibly be in position at any club in the world.

 

A "world class" striker could play for Barcelona, Spain or Brazil, for example.

 

So, in terms of players, I'd say that it means you could make it into the World XI against the Martians. (or at least into the squad)

 

But Suarez is probably the world's best striker and he plays for Uruguay. Bale is probably "world class" and he plays for Tottenham and Wales. You don't need to play for Barca or Spain or Brazil to be World Class; In fact nationality rules out 2 of 3.

[Glasgow_Saint]

be nice to start the season in real form. we have a great chance too with a decent set of fixtures

 

Its a marathon not a sprint...... But agree a good start would makea nice change.

 

I remember going to Yeovil away for a friendly in the build up to the NPC season. We drew 2-2 and many were worried and/or disgusted with the result and performance

 

We stormed the start of the season though and that set the momentum.

[Deano6]

Holloway, Hughes, di canio, fat Sam, Steve Bruce?

Not so sure

 

So just not English ones then?

[SuperMikey]

So just not English ones then?

 

Name a current manager who is English and world-class.

[St_Tel49]

Employee in brown nosing their boss shocker.

If that is your opinion then that's up to you. It doesn't mean you are right though.

[Give it to Ron]

Lets see how we start the season, I think Lallana has been suffering from injury etc so until fully recovered we wont see the best from him - I take this as a bit of thanks for the boss sticking by him.

[Pastor Patrón]

If that is your opinion then that's up to you. It doesn't mean you are right though.

 

I'll just put it down as a coincidence then.

[Window Cleaner]

Lets see how we start the season, I think Lallana has been suffering from injury etc so until fully recovered we wont see the best from him - I take this as a bit of thanks for the boss sticking by him.

 

not so much Spanish gems but "Argie" gems are somewhat restricted by our work permit criteria. Plus not all of them appear all that good in the PL, it's a whole different world to Spanish and Italian football.

[Turkish]

Name a current manager who is English and world-class.

 

Howard Wilkinson.

[ottery st mary]

MP...Like the mighty Saints........much better than mere world class.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Name a current manager who is English and world-class.

 

Les Reed

[Give it to Ron]

not so much Spanish gems but "Argie" gems are somewhat restricted by our work permit criteria. Plus not all of them appear all that good in the PL, it's a whole different world to Spanish and Italian football.

 

Ricky Villa, Ardiles, Zabaleta, Aguerro, Mascherano, Guittierez did Ok though.

Don't you think its odd that not one player has followed him?

[Avenue Saint]

I'll just put it down as a coincidence then.

 

What was your previous username?

[Pastor Patrón]

What was your previous username?

 

I don't have one, why?

[Minty]

I think most people can tell the difference between just another 'we back the manager' article, and one that goes a little further in terms of the detail given and the obvious belief that is shown in the manager. It's good to read, it still doesn't change the fact that it's results that count as some have alluded to, but you're more likely to get there with a tight camp who believe in themselves and each other.

[Dig Dig]

I wouldn't get too caught up with trying to define World Class. I'm sure all Lallana meant to say is that MP is very good and everyone is currently enjoying playing for him and the team dynamic he is fostering.

[doggface]

Can only be a good thing. World class is subjective like most things in football.

 

I do think that MP is a cut above Adkins. World class? Not yet imo.

 

If he wins us a trophy or gets us in the top 6 then may have a point.