alpine_saint Posted 30 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 30 July, 2013 The three armed services do themselves no favours when it comes to lobbying politicians. The default is to fight for their own arm at the expense of the other 2 and sadly the overall military capability. The RAF (civvies in uniform) are the masters at this, the ill-fated CVA-01 of the 1960’s partially failed due to RAF lobbying and claims that they could provide air support anywhere in the world! One story has it that they moved Australia by 500 miles in its documents to support the air force's preferred strategy of land-based aircraft. That is until the next wave of defence cuts shut all of their bases east of Suez, and they failed to win support for TSR 2 or its alternative F111. The Falklands and Sierra Leon demonstrated the irrelevance of the RAF in expeditionary sea based warfare. The much feted but useless and costly Vulcan raid on Port Stanley airfield was the RAF’s effort to justify itself. It was lobbying from the RAF that led to the loss of our Harrier force and our maritime patrol capability in order that they could retain the next to useless Tornado. This. Lets not forget the RN scored a few blows as well. Apparently Mountbatten went to Australia and put a model of one TSR2 on the table at their equivalent of the MoD, then put 10 models of Buccaneers. The loss of Aussie interest (again to the F111 although they got theirs) was a real nail in the coffin of the TSR2. I am still angry at Jock Stirrup and the role he played in the death of the Harrier and the scrapping of Ark Royal. They would have done the job off Libya at a fraction of the cost of the Typhoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 July, 2013 Share Posted 30 July, 2013 Just tragic how small the RN has become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2384224/Revealed-Shock-Code-Red-safety-report-British-nuclear-subs-fleet-hit-leaking-cracked-reactors-lack-trained-staff.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 4 August, 2013 Share Posted 4 August, 2013 Far far too much money given to people in foreign lands that could be used in the U.K. I suspect most of that money is only thrown away to make the politicians,and I include U.K. overseas development civil servants in this, look good in the media and at dinner parties. I really cannot understand why on earth that money is wasted like it is when the U.K. needs it much more. I have no problem with individuals giving money to charities as it is their money but for Governments to spend so much is disgraceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 5 August, 2013 Author Share Posted 5 August, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2384224/Revealed-Shock-Code-Red-safety-report-British-nuclear-subs-fleet-hit-leaking-cracked-reactors-lack-trained-staff.html Jesus. I wonder if the release of this report precipitated the handover of Astute and Ambush, and I wonder how ready they REALLY are... Suppose we will find out by seeing how long it takes to decommission Tireless. The RN is a f**king shambles. We should be operating a frigate and at least a flight of Typhoons out of Gibraltar at the moment, yet we are doing nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 Have no fear boyz and girlz... The Royal Navy has the good old HMS Victory in dry dock and ready to sail with a couple of years notice... Is the Mary Rose sea worthy yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 It has just been announced that Sandy Woodward has died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 Jesus. I wonder if the release of this report precipitated the handover of Astute and Ambush, and I wonder how ready they REALLY are... Suppose we will find out by seeing how long it takes to decommission Tireless. The RN is a f**king shambles. We should be operating a frigate and at least a flight of Typhoons out of Gibraltar at the moment, yet we are doing nothing. Like the Spanish are going to invade!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 5 August, 2013 Author Share Posted 5 August, 2013 Like the Spanish are going to invade!! Stupid comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 Stupid comment. No more ridiculous than your suggestion Alps. What diplomatic benefit do you see by stoking it up by increasing a military presence at Gib, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 5 August, 2013 Author Share Posted 5 August, 2013 No more ridiculous than your suggestion Alps. What diplomatic benefit do you see by stoking it up by increasing a military presence at Gib, eh? F**k diplomacy. Next time spanish jets encroach on Gib airspace, or the next time one of their police boats fire upon innocent British jet-skiiers, in UK territorial waters, we should blow them to pieces. Fed up of seeing chicken-sh*t countires throwing their weight around and HM Government doing f**k all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 F**k diplomacy. Next time spanish jets encroach on Gib airspace, or the next time one of their police boats fire upon innocent British jet-skiiers, in UK territorial waters, we should blow them to pieces. Fed up of seeing chicken-sh*t countires throwing their weight around and HM Government doing f**k all.:rolleyes::rolleyes: there you go you forgot the rollyeyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/04/ageing-nuclear-submarines-sailors-report?INTCMP=SRCH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 F**k diplomacy. Next time spanish jets encroach on Gib airspace, or the next time one of their police boats fire upon innocent British jet-skiiers, in UK territorial waters, we should blow them to pieces. Fed up of seeing chicken-sh*t countires throwing their weight around and HM Government doing f**k all. That's a Stupid Statement........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 F**k diplomacy. Next time spanish jets encroach on Gib airspace, or the next time one of their police boats fire upon innocent British jet-skiiers, in UK territorial waters, we should blow them to pieces. Fed up of seeing chicken-sh*t countires throwing their weight around and HM Government doing f**k all. That's about as constructive and logical as one of your 'encroachments' to the matchday thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 That's about as constructive and logical as one of your 'encroachments' to the matchday thread. to be fair I'm not sure that he was being serious. I certainly hope not, don't want too many little Englander mentalities here, especially from those who don't even have to live in the dump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 5 August, 2013 Share Posted 5 August, 2013 to be fair I'm not sure that he was being serious. I certainly hope not, don't want too many little Englander mentalities here, especially from those who don't even have to live in the dump. Well, you never know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey-deacons-left-nut Posted 6 August, 2013 Share Posted 6 August, 2013 **** the Royal navy and Army and ****, where's my ****ing Royal Space force??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 6 August, 2013 Share Posted 6 August, 2013 Actually I have to say that at times people who no longer live on mainland U.K. seem to think a lot more about how the U.K. is being treated than a lot of posters who actually live in the place Window Cleaner calls a dump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 August, 2013 Share Posted 6 August, 2013 **** the Royal navy and Army and ****, where's my ****ing Royal Space force??? It's very hush-hush, nobody talks about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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