Minty Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 So - I didn't see the game the other night, but from what I've heard, the snippet in Cortese's interview this morning etc, it seems Chambers is perhaps further along in his development than I had realised, and might just be ready to be Clyne's understudy this season. Naturally some will be a bit anxious at the thought of this, having seen little of him, but this time last year we were hearing about Ward-Prowse's involvement with the first team in much the same unheralded way. What do people think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 I was worried we had thrown Shaw in too early last season but he was exceptional. If the staff think Chambers is ready, I am happy to trust their judgement. Thankfully, with Clyne more then good enough he will be able to find his feet without the same pressure we had when Shaw was brought in for Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 So - I didn't see the game the other night, but from what I've heard, the snippet in Cortese's interview this morning etc, it seems Chambers is perhaps further along in his development than I had realised, and might just be ready to be Clyne's understudy this season. Naturally some will be a bit anxious at the thought of this, having seen little of him, but this time last year we were hearing about Ward-Prowse's involvement with the first team in much the same unheralded way. What do people think? From what I could see through a messy stream, both him and Isgrove looked quite well. Hard to say if they are ready for PL, but as our policy is to bring through our own players, I think they should be given a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 So - I didn't see the game the other night, but from what I've heard, the snippet in Cortese's interview this morning etc, it seems Chambers is perhaps further along in his development than I had realised, and might just be ready to be Clyne's understudy this season. Naturally some will be a bit anxious at the thought of this, having seen little of him, but this time last year we were hearing about Ward-Prowse's involvement with the first team in much the same unheralded way. What do people think? Teamed up well with Punch and J-Rod on the right in the first half hour, so yes, I reckon he is ready to understudy Clyne (question is whether MP prefers him or Cork). Had the occasional lapse of concentration though (but who in our defence doesnt have that ?), but looks to be developing into a solid RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 He looks like a decent player from what I've seen, and makes me a lot more confident about the RB position. Shaw and Clyne will obviously be first choice, but with Chambers and Fox capable of stepping in for the odd game, with Cork/Yoshi also able to play there is desparate I don't think we need to bring in any more full backs. It's an awkward position, because we have 2 of the best young full backs in the country, so we don't want to stifle their development by bringing in a full back in their prime who will play every week. I wouldn't be too worried about Chambers stepping in on the rare occasion that Clyne isn't fit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 Chambers is a very versatile player. I've seen him play all over the park for the u18's, but more commonly as a right winger. At one stage two seasons ago they were also trialling him as a centre-half and I even think he played a few games next to big Jaidi. It seems it is right-back that is the position he is going to settle on, and he has also shot up in height over the past few years a well. I am glad he is getting promoted, I think it would be good if we promote at least one player per summer to the first team squad. The standard will rise and will always get harder, but I am very happy he will get his chance to be back-up rather than us buy a player for the role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 From what i saw in the Schalke game he's already better than Fox, looked a really good prospect Was also impressed with Isgrove, he had real pace and not afraid to try and go by someone. Can see him challenging Lallana for a back up spot next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 I think you have to take the risk to be honest. We have a good academy and need to utilise it. Not everyone will be good enough, but if they earn their chance it's good to give them game time. If we sign another right back, then Chambers will wait whether he's good enough or not. I'd rather see him, Isgrove and others get their chance. If 1 or 2 make it then it'll be worth the risk. I believe that these two back to back promotions have made it harder for us to try out youngsters today as their is little margins for error in the premiership. If Shaw and say Isgrove make the grade while the others fade (have doubts about Ward-Prowse myself) then that is great progress considering 75% of the premiership can't produce any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 I believe that these two back to back promotions have made it harder for us to try out youngsters today as their is little margins for error in the premiership. If Shaw and say Isgrove make the grade while the others fade (have doubts about Ward-Prowse myself) then that is great progress considering 75% of the premiership can't produce any. JWP will be a really good player. His technique is superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 JWP will be a really good player. His technique is superb. Yep there are quite a few examples of this like the video of him at the U20 world cup rifling in those volleys with either foot, also in the video in pre-season of Jay Rod making a complete hash of free-kicks, JWP steps up and just smashes the ball in. Definitely has good technical skills and seems to be comfortable with both feet as well. I just think last year he was used in a defensive role which due to his size doesn't suit him, he's more an attacking mid. Looks like Isgrove and Chambers will play a role this year as well, maybe Isgroves development and pace is why we haven't looked for more wide players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 Watching both Chambers and Isgrove previously and in the Schalke game...it is quite obvious the coaching staff have seen the talent in both these players..That we all witnessed for ourselves.v the German boyz Both now have the chance to push on as members of the squad and eventually make the breakthrough.. I am sure we will see appearances from the bench as the season progresses.. Well done Saints Academy staff.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 JWP will be a really good player. His technique is superb. And he has a great engine. And still only 18. He'll be a star for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 26 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 26 July, 2013 Allowing for the fact that they clearly still have to fulfil their potential, although it looks promising, I wonder what that might save us in transfer fees if they can come good? Good to see that the consensus here so far is very positive and supportive though. They'll probably get games in the League Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 Sadly, wasnt too impressed with JWP the other night. Mind you, that second half team were pants all-round, so it was difficult for him to achieve anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 Sadly, wasnt too impressed with JWP the other night. Mind you, that second half team were pants all-round, so it was difficult for him to achieve anything. I agree Alps....but second half Schalke changed their system and pushed up higher.. JWP did not really have chance to show his worth as we were a little under the cosh.. Still we have a few more weeks of pre season training/games in readiness for the off. On the day we did well enough in my view.. JWP is definitely going to be a top player as are other youth players , Isgrove , Chambers and Lambert:rolleyes: Hope your young uns enjoyed their day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 I agree Alps....but second half Schalke changed their system and pushed up higher.. JWP did not really have chance to show his worth as we were a little under the cosh.. Still we have a few more weeks of pre season training/games in readiness for the off. On the day we did well enough in my view.. JWP is definitely going to be a top player as are other youth players , Isgrove , Chambers and Lambert:rolleyes: Hope your young uns enjoyed their day 9 year old was heartbroken we lost. He'll learn 12 year old invaded the pitch at the end and accosted Mayuka. Thought it was a great laugh. I reminded him if he does that next time we are at St. Marys he'll get a lifetime ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 9 year old was heartbroken we lost. He'll learn 12 year old invaded the pitch at the end and accosted Mayuka. Thought it was a great laugh. I reminded him if he does that next time we are at St. Marys he'll get a lifetime ban. Maybe in time they will become Saints stars and their old man will invade the pitch at St Marys;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 JWP will be a really good player. His technique is superb. I'm completely unconvinced, he was as poor as anyone for England in the summer, matches just passing him by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 Teamed up well with Punch and J-Rod on the right in the first half hour, so yes, I reckon he is ready to understudy Clyne (question is whether MP prefers him or Cork). Had the occasional lapse of concentration though (but who in our defence doesnt have that ?), but looks to be developing into a solid RB. Good to hear that assessment straight from somebody who has actually watched him play. Encouraging news again as another young prospect breaks through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 I was worried we had thrown Shaw in too early last season but he was exceptional. If the staff think Chambers is ready, I am happy to trust their judgement. Replace Shaw with Ward-Prowse and I agree whole-heartedly with this. I was hoping for Shaw to be given a chance far earlier than he was, having seen his talent, but we all raised an eyebrow when JWP was on the teamsheet at the Etihad. I haven't seen more than a few halves of Chambers but he does look good, and I trust the academy to judge when these players should be brought in. It's good to know that these lads are in their plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 Maybe in time they will become Saints stars and their old man will invade the pitch at St Marys;) Naked, I understand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 Naked, I understand... We need to spend several billions as a nation for that to occur, I'm afraid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 Both Chambers and Isgrove looked assured against really good quality opposition in Schalke. It was a great match for them to showcase their talents and tends to suggest that they therefore wouldn't look out of place playing in the team against most Premier League opposition. Both will be useful on the bench or playing in Cup matches and won't let us down while they develop their skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 I'm completely unconvinced, he was as poor as anyone for England in the summer, matches just passing him by. To be fair, from what I saw he was looking for the ball off the defence but they kept punting it into the channels and bypassing midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 Maybe in time they will become Saints stars and their old man will invade the pitch at St Marys;) Everyone would have gone home by the time Alpine had made it over the ad boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 To be fair, from what I saw he was looking for the ball off the defence but they kept punting it into the channels and bypassing midfield. I certainly don't think it helped his development much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 Both Chambers and Isgrove looked assured against really good quality opposition in Schalke. It was a great match for them to showcase their talents and tends to suggest that they therefore wouldn't look out of place playing in the team against most Premier League opposition. Both will be useful on the bench or playing in Cup matches and won't let us down while they develop their skills. Again thats really good to hear - Schalke are a very strong Champions League side and hear that 2 youngsters can cut it in that company bodes very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 Everyone would have gone home by the time Alpine had made it over the ad boards. We will get him started at half time and have a step ladder handy for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 Naked, I understand... I am sure we can arrange a copper to be ready with his helmet to save his blushes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 I'm confident that Calum Chambers has a Big Future. Löckend exzellent in Training today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 27 July, 2013 Share Posted 27 July, 2013 Just left work at 6pm tonight and flicked onto Talksport for the drive home, and was listening to Neil Ashton hosting the Transfer tavern. He's also a Daily Mail journalist and he was interviewing Danny Higginbotham. They were talking about Saints academy and what they do right, the interesting comments was Neil Ashton's whose parting comment was that we had another rising star coming through the ranks in Calum Chambers, who he feels will go all the way. Nice bit of recognition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 27 July, 2013 Share Posted 27 July, 2013 He's a biggish unit. Came as a surprise to me, I had him down as diminutive winger type, like nathan dyer or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 July, 2013 Share Posted 27 July, 2013 Did well again tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 July, 2013 Share Posted 27 July, 2013 Did well again tonight. Easily good enough as RB cover I would say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 27 July, 2013 Share Posted 27 July, 2013 Easily good enough as RB cover I would say? Agreed. Hopefully he'll be able to get a run out in the early rounds of the league cup to get some competitive minutes under his belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 July, 2013 Share Posted 27 July, 2013 Easily good enough as RB cover I would say? Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 27 July, 2013 Share Posted 27 July, 2013 We really do have some excellent young players at the club. Our academy is a wondrous thing that should be cherished. If people do have time over the coming season then it's well worth taking in some of their games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 27 July, 2013 Share Posted 27 July, 2013 Me too. Fingers crossed he is. The lack of movement for transfers in this position could be explained by this. So easy not to trust it though after seeing players who were not ready come in under the Lowe/Poortvliet season. So many careers stillborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 27 July, 2013 Share Posted 27 July, 2013 Our track record for timing's been spotless since Cortese came in though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 Some people get excited by new players coming in with big transfer fees, for me it's when you see the youngsters coming through. Perhaps we have got two more gems in Chambers and Isgrove. This is the thing about pre-season, it's the perfect time to take a look at them to see if they are good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 He had a good first half against Besiktas who are no slouches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 Fingers crossed he is. The lack of movement for transfers in this position could be explained by this. So easy not to trust it though after seeing players who were not ready come in under the Lowe/Poortvliet season. So many careers stillborn. There's a huge difference between MP being selective with the youngsters, giving some game time to those that he believes might be good enough & gently bringing them into a first team that's already performing at a reasonably high level.... and taking 8 or 9 youngsters because that's all we can afford and throwing them into the deep end of a Championship relegation struggle, where the team has been already looking out of its depth & then expecting this youngsters to play week after week. Not that I'm saying any of those youngsters would have turned out any differently... who knows... but it certainly didn't help their development in having to play them they we had to under Poortvliet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blair3 Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 To be fair, from what I saw he was looking for the ball off the defence but they kept punting it into the channels and bypassing midfield. Having watched some of the Under 20 World Cup JWP certainly looked the most technically skilled English player in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 Although I only saw Chambers against Llagostera, I have to say that I was impressed that for a big lad he has some pace, and that he has a good eye for the game and the positioning of others. Took far superior corners to Lallana too. In the grand scheme of things with 2 academy lads getting a run out in the Premiership last year and being un-fazed by it then another 3-4 being groomed for first team action this year, any promising youngster out there being given various academy options is going to see that with Saints they stand a damn good chance of actually playing at the top level of Football if they really want it. Unlike Chelsea who have bored kids who will be extremely lucky to make the first team in the prem bringing knives and smoke grenades into the training ground to pass the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 Fingers crossed he is. The lack of movement for transfers in this position could be explained by this. So easy not to trust it though after seeing players who were not ready come in under the Lowe/Poortvliet season. So many careers stillborn. Was thinking this the other day, the 'where are they now' for our young players that season is quite depressing. I've full confidence that our academy players will now only move to the first team when they're ready - hence the likes of Isgrove are now stepping up just a few months before his 21st birthday, rather than forced through at 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 was it chambers who played a lot in midfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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