Go home

[buctootim]

Oh right, I do that already. I don't take a salary at all really, I take dividends. That is not illegal or even immoral is it? I pay a shit load in corporation tax on our profits and then I am taxed again on any money I take out after that. Not exactly dodging tax is it? Paying tax twice on the same money more like.

 

You need to change your tax accountant then.

[Batman]

You mean I can get away without paying thousands in tax a month ?

 

and come on a message board and preach how other doing so are scum.....or something like that

[pap]

and come on a message board and preach how other doing so are scum.....or something like that

 

I pay the full rate of Corporation Tax, Batman. Vodafone don't, nor do many other big companies.

[Tokyo-Saint]

They are not bad, pretty well recommended top 5 blah blah blah. I just don't see how it is fiddling it in anyway. I know I am a capitalist cunt and all that but you just do whatever the rules allow you don't you? It's not like I am pretending to be based in Ireland and getting bear to answer the phone in an Irish accent or anything.

[Batman]

I pay the full rate of Corporation Tax, Batman. Vodafone don't, nor do many other big companies.

 

oh, so all other tax avoiders are cool, then?

just the tax YOU pay in full amounts feel your wrath?

[buctootim]

I pay the full rate of Corporation Tax, Batman. Vodafone don't, nor do many other big companies.

 

 

As you know, 'costs' and therefore 'profits' are very easy to massage into the figure you want to pay. Did you buy your daughters laptops through the company as a business expense?

[Batman]

is pap a 'capitalist ****'..?

[pap]

As you know, 'costs' and therefore 'profits' are very easy to massage into the figure you want to pay. Did you buy your daughters laptops through the company as a business expense?

 

Nope, I paid for those out of my own pocket on interest free credit, as I indicated when Bazza was looking for a laptop.

[buctootim]

They are not bad, pretty well recommended top 5 blah blah blah. I just don't see how it is fiddling it in anyway. I know I am a capitalist cunt and all that but you just do whatever the rules allow you don't you? It's not like I am pretending to be based in Ireland and getting bear to answer the phone in an Irish accent or anything.

 

Im not criticising. Ultimately most people do whatever is best for them and their families within the rules as they exist. Its up to the government to change the rules. Its the ultra liberal hypocrisy of 'let everyone sit on the lilo (but Im not going to pump any air in)' that ****es me off.

[Tokyo-Saint]

I'm with Tim!

 

Don't see why Pap is getting a hard time for it though, it's just a different tax option. I don't know anyone who is self-employed that does PAYE.

 

I bet he doesn't even put taxi receipts through for when he was pissed up?

[pap]

Im not criticising. Ultimately most people do whatever is best for them and their families within the rules as they exist. Its up to the government to change the rules. Its the ultra liberal hypocrisy of 'let everyone sit on the lilo (but Im not going to pump any air in)' that ****es me off.

 

And that's a fair enough attitude, but you also have to be pragmatic. What percentage of IT contractors do you think go the full PAYE route?

 

There are other reasons beyond pay. Before I started my company, I was working full PAYE through an umbrella company. Was a complete nightmare for everything except "IR35 peace of mind". I needed to buy a computer then. When I went to do so, they told me that the machine would legally belong to them. Even simple stuff like client rechargeable expenses were a complete nightmare because they put the lot through the PAYE tax relief grinder.

 

I started a limited company for a number of reasons. I'll not deny that the major angle was financial, but there were a ton of other considerations going into the mix, as enumerated above. I simply could not progress without my own company, and once you have your own company, you start running it like one. No company director in his or her right mind would set their salary at 100% of turnover.

[pap]

I bet he doesn't even put taxi receipts through for when he was pissed up?

 

I am actually f**king hopeless at expenses. Haven't put a proper claim in since 2009, don't do any of that w4nkery about marking part of your home as your business ( even though it is ).

 

So yeah, they're all out of personal income too.

[Whitey Grandad]

I am actually f**king hopeless at expenses. Haven't put a proper claim in since 2009, don't do any of that w4nkery about marking part of your home as your business ( even though it is ).

 

So yeah, they're all out of personal income too.

 

Expenses are important, you shouldn't ignore them. Claiming part of your home for your business gives rise to all sorts of problems over Capital Gains and other things.

[Barry Sanchez]

is pap a 'capitalist ****'..?

 

Is the pope a Catholic? He is Nu Labour and about as socialist as Thatcher, at least its out in the open now.

[Bearsy]

Which of the politicians is the ones meeting the socialist ideal, Barry? Srsly, I'm interested.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Which of the politicians is the ones meeting the socialist ideal, Barry? Srsly, I'm interested.

 

[Bearsy]

Ok tks. I will vote for him in next election.

[Barry Sanchez]

pap can...........................

[pap]

Is the pope a Catholic? He is Nu Labour and about as socialist as Thatcher, at least its out in the open now.

 

Hmm. I'd disagree, but still.

 

One thing you may wish to consider is why I answered Tim's question truthfully in the first place. I could have ignored it, or made something up. It's not like he had evidence one way or the other. I could have said something else and unless Tim happened to be particularly obsessed with proving it ( I believe he has better things to do ) then I'd have gotten away with it, scot-free, and without the predictable ridicule from forum lightweights such as yourself. What can I say? I'm a quality over quantity man.

 

Honesty is an important quality in credibility, and quite honestly, I'd rather be seen as a hypocrite than a liar.

Edited 2 August, 2013 by pap

[Barry Sanchez]

Which of the politicians is the ones meeting the socialist ideal, Barry? Srsly, I'm interested.

 

Dennis Skinner, John Cruddas and Bob Crow are my kind of Socialists, they wear their heart on their sleeve and speak their mind. Refreshing.

[Barry Sanchez]

Hmm. I'd disagree, but still.

 

One thing you may wish to consider is why I answered Tim's question truthfully in the first place. I could have ignored it, or made something up. It's not like he had evidence one way or the other. I could havesaid something else and unless Tim happened to be particularly obsessed with proving it ( I believe he has better things to do ) then I'd have gotten away with it, scot-free, and without the predictable ridicule from forum lightweights such as yourself. What can I say? I'm a quality over quantity man.

 

Honesty is an important quality in credibility, and quite honestly, I'd rather be seen as a hypocrite than a liar.

 

So you expect a reward for being honest?

[Barry Sanchez]

Pap today its you who appears to be lightweight in forum crediblity, you appear to be a hypocrite, you are correct rather that than a liar but its hardly quality is it?

[Tokyo-Saint]

Bear is a big fan of politics, anyone can see that from his regular posts. But just in case you have forgotten who Baz is talking about bear cause of bigger issues here they are:

 

 

 

[Barry Sanchez]

My Dennis Skinner is looking good for his age.............................

[Tokyo-Saint]

I like him but he can't sing.

[Bearsy]

Yeah thanks i hadn't heard of them, but i will deffo vote for them in next election! Assuming fascist pigs like pap don't get their way + ban elections!

[Barry Sanchez]

Yeah thanks i hadn't heard of them, but i will deffo vote for them in next election! Assuming fascist pigs like pap don't get their way + ban elections!

 

Will walk to the polling booths, vote Nu Labour and then get tax relief for the walk..................

[Tokyo-Saint]

Interesting political fact bear. In Japan they call elections erections (like properly in their language), this can cause confusion and political scandal at times but helps boost question time viewing figures.

[Barry Sanchez]

Interesting political fact bear. In Japan they call elections erections (like properly in their language), this can cause confusion and political scandal at times but helps boost question time viewing figures.

 

Oh you are a one......................

[Tokyo-Saint]

It is true Baz, at least when they use the Japanese English term for it and not 選挙. Plus this is the kind of thing that will get bear interested in international politics.

 

Edited 2 August, 2013 by Tokyo-Saint

[pap]

So you expect a reward for being honest?

 

I have no expectations, just pointing out that the ammunition that you're slinging this way is of my own creation. I posted candidly knowing the kind of crap I'd get, so do you honestly think I'm that bothered about a response I knew would happen? I'm an exporter, mucker. I bring money into this country. The government gets what they tax, the economy gets the rest and I play by the same rules as every other small company. I don't qualify for, or take any benefits, and put about 80K into the UK economy each year, more if you count client rechargeables.

 

In 2007, I contributed around 10K to the public purse. Since that year, I've contributed 30K each year. Over six years, that's 120K more that the government have gotten from my economic activity than if I'd remained a permanent employee of a software house.

 

If I'm guilty of anything here, it's the general expectation that one-man companies should be treated the same as an employee. That assertion was flawed from the start. It is, in microcosm, a small business like any other. You have a resource to sell, you sell it and if the quality of that resource diminishes, your customer will buy from someone else, as soon as today if they see fit.

 

I probs mocked the millionaires tax break, but I've never argued for general principle of progressive taxation; I'm a flat tax man and more than anything else, a net contributor.

[Batman]

Either way pap. It's nice to know that you are a closet Tory

 

Next thing, there will be a revelation that you are a UKiP sympathiser.

 

We all look after number 1. It's no shame in admitting that

[Barry Sanchez]

Either way pap. It's nice to know that you are a closet Tory

 

Next thing, there will be a revelation that you are a UKiP sympathiser.

 

We all look after number 1. It's no shame in admitting that

 

True that, he is a tory with a conscience, that probably makes him a Liberal, no shame in being anything but disguising it to be seen as a left wing idealist is false at best and shallow at worse, whats all this mucker crap? Is it a way of trying to falsely have an upper hand in something by trying to patronise? Do you call everyone mucker in West Derby? I dont think you do, you wouldn't get away with that in Norris Green:lol:

[pap]

True that, he is a tory with a conscience, that probably makes him a Liberal, no shame in being anything but disguising it to be seen as a left wing idealist is false at best and shallow at worse, whats all this mucker crap? Is it a way of trying to falsely have an upper hand in something by trying to patronise? Do you call everyone mucker in West Derby? I dont think you do, you wouldn't get away with that in Norris Green:lol:

 

I don't call people mucker around here. I just think it's nice and colloquial. I call people "mush" here in an effort to promote Sotonian culture. It was either that or build a bronze statue of Craig David outside the Sefton Arms.

[Barry Sanchez]

I don't call people mucker around here. I just think it's nice and colloquial. I call people "mush" here in an effort to promote Sotonian culture. It was either that or build a bronze statue of Craig David outside the Sefton Arms.

 

So you're our man on the ground in Liverpool promoting the virtues of Southampton living?

[pap]

More news on "the racist van" ( hashtag: #TheRacistVan ), as it is now being referred to.

 

First, a decent blog post covering the backfiring nature of the plan:-

 

http://futiledemocracy.wordpress.com/2013/07/29/trolling-racist-van/

 

One beaut the article pulls from Conservative party history is this:-

 

[Tokyo-Saint]

Are the Japanese covered by the libdems Pap? Need to know who to vote for.

[holepuncture]

More news on "the racist van" ( hashtag: #TheRacistVan ), as it is now being referred to.

 

First, a decent blog post covering the backfiring nature of the plan:-

 

http://futiledemocracy.wordpress.com/2013/07/29/trolling-racist-van/

 

One beaut the article pulls from Conservative party history is this:-

 

 

This is a serious problem pap, this is not a game of playing the racist card.

 

The streets are crawling with illegal immigrants and the government are working round the clock to try and deal with all this sh*t.

 

The silent majority are very pleased to see this campaign.

[pap]

This is a serious problem pap, this is not a game of playing the racist card.

 

The streets are crawling with illegal immigrants and the government are working round the clock to try and deal with all this sh*t.

 

The silent majority are very pleased to see this campaign.

 

What a load of crap.

 

It most certainly is playing the race card, which is why racists like yourself love it so much. Sorry if you don't like the label, but after your "vermin" comment earlier in the thread, I feel it's justified.

 

You continue with the "these people are animals" theme in this post. Crawling with illegal immigrants? What are they? Lice?

 

Regardless, it's clear that these people aren't people to you. You've repeatedly tried to militate against their basic humanity. Consequently, I find it almost impossible to take any of your points seriously.

[benjii]

LOL. Pap is running a "Service company" tax avoidance scheme?

 

What a complete ****.

 

I don't personally think there's anything wrong with doing what you can get away with but if I was a tiresome, sanctimonious, verbose, narcissistic, portentous gob****e and I castigated others for doing similar to what I was doing myself, I would rightfully expect to be called a ****.

[pap]

LOL. Pap is running a "Service company" tax avoidance scheme?

 

What a complete ****.

 

I don't personally think there's anything wrong with doing what you can get away with but if I was a tiresome, sanctimonious, verbose, narcissistic, portentous gob****e and I castigated others for doing similar to what I was doing myself, I would rightfully expect to be called a ****.

 

I can't let this go unchallenged.

 

I think I've moaned about Vodafone, Amazon and Barclays in respect to tax avoidance.

 

Neither Vodafone nor Barclays pay the full rate of Corp Tax. Amazon don't even bother paying tax in this country, beyond what they think they owe as a "delivery business" ( less than 1% of their turnover ).

 

So please tell me, Benjii - what proportion of small businesses set their MD's salary at 100% of turnover? Do you have any examples?

[Barry Sanchez]

You dont challenge the narcisstic, tiresome, sanctimonious gob****e I see, thats about right pap, not only are you a complete hypocrite you are all of the above.

 

If Carlsberg did self righteous posters they would use pap.

[pap]

You dont challenge the narcisstic, tiresome, sanctimonious gob****e I see, thats about right pap, not only are you a complete hypocrite you are all of the above.

 

If Carlsberg did self righteous posters they would use pap.

 

Disagree, but big lolz at how you're dealing with said information. I'll remind you and benjii again. Any ammunition you think you have is stuff I've given to you willingly, something you seem to have forgotten.

 

I don't even think you have me on charges of hypocrisy. I'm certain I've never complained about service companies on here, but I'm more than happy to be corrected.

 

At the end of each year, HMRC gets 30K of the 80K I make as direct taxation. Feel free to take the p!ss when you contribute as much to the public purse, Bazza.

[Minty]

Don't suppose there's any chance this thread can stay on topic is there? Find it quite interesting when it does...

[Tokyo-Saint]

Yeah let's stop the this pap bashing, I'm not into it. I like Pap.

[Barry Sanchez]

Disagree, but big lolz at how you're dealing with said information. I'll remind you and benjii again. Any ammunition you think you have is stuff I've given to you willingly, something you seem to have forgotten.

 

I don't even think you have me on charges of hypocrisy. I'm certain I've never complained about service companies on here, but I'm more than happy to be corrected.

 

At the end of each year, HMRC gets 30K of the 80K I make as direct taxation. Feel free to take the p!ss when you contribute as much to the public purse, Bazza.

 

Your closing statement confirms you are a closet tory, you put money over principle, you deem as you think you put more money into the public purse you are more entitled, you in short sir have an identity crisis and are in denial, you are not and I repeat are not a socialist, lying shadowy hypocrite morelike.

[Barry Sanchez]

Yeah let's stop the this pap bashing, I'm not into it. I like Pap.

 

Peas in a pod thats why Tokyo, two tories together, all snug and warm.

[pap]

Your closing statement confirms you are a closet tory, you put money over principle, you deem as you think you put more money into the public purse you are more entitled, you in short sir have an identity crisis and are in denial, you are not and I repeat are not a socialist, lying shadowy hypocrite morelike.

 

So for the record, what would a socialist do in my situation?

[Tokyo-Saint]

Peas in a pod thats why Tokyo, two tories together, all snug and warm.

 

Surely a tory would have voted conservative at least once in their life baz? I have never.

 

There are plenty of people who have though Baz and unlike you, I would not judge them on it. Your nazi style of socialism (we either agree with you or we are complete scum) doesn't really appeal to me though. Thanks anyway.

[pap]

Yeah let's stop the this pap bashing, I'm not into it. I like Pap.

 

I'm not at all bothered about Barry's input. He's entitled to his views. The weight of them will be determined by his reputation elsewhere on the site.