pap Posted 26 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 26 July, 2013 What is the point of these vans? If you had risked life and limb, possibly spent your complete life savings to get into this country risking detention and a return to your original country, you aren't going to hand yourself in just because an advert on the side of a van says you might be arrested, detained and returned to your original country. Why on earth wouldn't you sit tight and see if you were actually caught? That of course puts to one side the possibility that these vans are actually seen by an illegal immigrant and that person can actually understand them. This is a complete and utter waste of time and money. A publicity stunt to try and convince the general public that the current government is taking a tough line on immigration. Sir is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony13579 Posted 26 July, 2013 Share Posted 26 July, 2013 Reply your Gordon Brown and you want an airline ticket back to Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 There's two types of immigrants - gangstery who come over here and hook up with their ethnic gangster mates, and asylumy who hook up with their ethnic asylumy mates. My guess is that we see the most intelligent and industrious of both types, coz all the losers are getting murdered in whichever **** poor part of the world they have come from and don't have money to pay to get transported in cattle trucks for 140 hours. I think US, Europe (and Australia) need to understand this 'problem' is not going away. 'We' will have to become a lot poorer in order that all the poor bastards of the world become a little less dead. There's vastly more of 'them' than 'us' and the poorest farmer in the Punjab, the Stans or Somalia has enough access to media to be radicalised or to know where his next meal ticket is coming from, that is compared to living in ultra abject poverty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 What would be really cool if they had big radio transmitters on top like the old TV Licence detector vans. http://www.britishtelephones.com/vehicles/lightvans/pict0023.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 There's two types of immigrants - gangstery who come over here and hook up with their ethnic gangster mates, and asylumy who hook up with their ethnic asylumy mates. Really? Wow! Wonder which type I am. I'm as lefty tree-hugging liberal as you like, but these vans aren't offensive and for once Alpine was right. They are specifically saying illegal immigrants should return home or face arrest, which is very different to "sending them all back where they belong". There's not even an issue of race involved, an illegal immigrant could be from any racial group. I also agree that it's a waste of time and just an attempt to do something visible to impress voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 There is nothing wrong with telling illegal immigrants to go home but you have to ask WHY the tories felt the need to do this. It wont have any positive effect except to pander to the swivel eyed racist loony right in their party - and that is wrong. This is typical of their recent behaviour, they are obviously sh!t scared of having their vote squeezed by UKIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 I am becoming very worried over this issue, not particularly about the blatant vote catching political message but the fact that "I AGREE WITH ALPINE_SAINT" ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 I have a female friend who cannot get a council property in Aberdeen as she had 20k in savings. She is a mature student . And they have said she she is 450 and 600 on the housing list . She has just over 7k of savings left but has been told that because of the eastern block immigrants who have priority along with pregnant women then she has no chance of getting council housing . Even though her savings are all but gone . She is a proud and honest lady who feels very appalled at the remotest thought of being dishonest . She feels she might end up on union street . She will not as I will give her somewhere to live. . I find it very disturbing that she cannot get housing support or even benefits yet all these eastern block countries and other ethnic groups can get benefits and she cannot not . I could say a lot more but to be fair to Jill . Who is one life's genuine caring and honest people . Yet the state craps upon her and more importantly so does the Church of Scotland . . . So yet again I support alpine comments look after your own first and if there is spare then let's accommodate others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 I have a female friend who cannot get a council property in Aberdeen as she had 20k in savings. She is a mature student . And they have said she she is 450 and 600 on the housing list . She has just over 7k of savings left but has been told that because of the eastern block immigrants who have priority along with pregnant women then she has no chance of getting council housing . Even though her savings are all but gone . She is a proud and honest lady who feels very appalled at the remotest thought of being dishonest . She feels she might end up on union street . She will not as I will give her somewhere to live. . I find it very disturbing that she cannot get housing support or even benefits yet all these eastern block countries and other ethnic groups can get benefits and she cannot not . I could say a lot more but to be fair to Jill . Who is one life's genuine caring and honest people . Yet the state craps upon her and more importantly so does the Church of Scotland . . . So yet again I support alpine comments look after your own first and if there is spare then let's accommodate others Perhaps she would be better on Union St Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 I have a female friend who cannot get a council property in Aberdeen as she had 20k in savings. She is a mature student . And they have said she she is 450 and 600 on the housing list . She has just over 7k of savings left but has been told that because of the eastern block immigrants who have priority along with pregnant women then she has no chance of getting council housing . Even though her savings are all but gone . She is a proud and honest lady who feels very appalled at the remotest thought of being dishonest . She feels she might end up on union street . She will not as I will give her somewhere to live. . I find it very disturbing that she cannot get housing support or even benefits yet all these eastern block countries and other ethnic groups can get benefits and she cannot not . I could say a lot more but to be fair to Jill . Who is one life's genuine caring and honest people . Yet the state craps upon her and more importantly so does the Church of Scotland . . . So yet again I support alpine comments look after your own first and if there is spare then let's accommodate others I might have missed something, but why should she be getting housing benefits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 Once again, this is about illegal immigrants. I'm pretty sure illegal immigrants aren't able to get any benefits. Viking Warrior's post is about as relevant as the racism claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 Sour mash because she is poor and cannot get help . I'm far from racist Norway .in fact the complete opposite . So please do not tar me with that brush . She is currently in a Church of Scotland refuge house but has to move out in October . As she was only given temporary accommodation for two years. He ex minister went off with another parishioner and left her with nothing . . The point I am making is the state seems to give priority to folk from abroad . Yet when she has asked for help from the state she is declined and is too proud to force the issue . At least she is too proud to ask for help . . My point is sometimes the housing problem is easilybabused . Look at the amount of abused women who are in emergency accommodation . And let's not forget the amount of ex servicemen living rough . It's not about racism but the complete opposite . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 Also some times when you are close to the homeless you get a different focus on life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 Also some times when you are close to the homeless you get a different focus on life Did you know that with 20k in the bank that puts her in the top 10% in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 Sour mash because she is poor and cannot get help . I'm far from racist Norway .in fact the complete opposite . So please do not tar me with that brush . She is currently in a Church of Scotland refuge house but has to move out in October . As she was only given temporary accommodation for two years. He ex minister went off with another parishioner and left her with nothing . . The point I am making is the state seems to give priority to folk from abroad . Yet when she has asked for help from the state she is declined and is too proud to force the issue . At least she is too proud to ask for help . . My point is sometimes the housing problem is easilybabused . Look at the amount of abused women who are in emergency accommodation . And let's not forget the amount of ex servicemen living rough . It's not about racism but the complete opposite . Having £20k in the bank and choosing to become a mature student isn't being 'poor' though is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 Sour mash because she is poor and cannot get help . I'm far from racist Norway .in fact the complete opposite . So please do not tar me with that brush . She is currently in a Church of Scotland refuge house but has to move out in October . As she was only given temporary accommodation for two years. He ex minister went off with another parishioner and left her with nothing . . The point I am making is the state seems to give priority to folk from abroad . Yet when she has asked for help from the state she is declined and is too proud to force the issue . At least she is too proud to ask for help . . My point is sometimes the housing problem is easilybabused . Look at the amount of abused women who are in emergency accommodation . And let's not forget the amount of ex servicemen living rough . It's not about racism but the complete opposite . I think the state might be giving priority to people who haven't got twenty grand in the bank. Which seems fair enough to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 (edited) I will make it quite clear she no longer has the 20k but used that to put her through a nursing qualification . To pay for the course to pay for the rent to support her two children and pay for their day to day needs without any aid from the state . Apologies if I didn't explain myself clearly . She as done that on just under 7 k for each of the past three years . You holier than thou guys try living on 7 k a year without access to state benefits . Quatada and now his family are still receiving state benefits . So where is the fairness in the state system , I partly blame the Church of Scotland as well as the state benifits system . So please read my posts in the context of the system and the original posters thread . Please do not distort the facts I ready to poor score scorn on the state system . It's situations like this that make me more labour than Tory . I believe in a fair system that supports people for the right reason . And this lady is evidence is one of thousands in the uk who fall foul of the state system and actually genuinely need support and assistance . She is too proud to make an issue of her dire needs . A genuine lady who I respect and totally support and who I give some of my earnings to Edited 28 July, 2013 by Viking Warrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 Cb I like you as a poster but please read my above email . She has no longer has 20k and hasn't for at least two years. You try living on 7k paying rent etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 I will make it quite clear she no longer has the 20k but used that to put her through a nursing qualification . To pay for the course to pay for the rent to support her two children and pay for their day to day needs without any aid from the state . Apologies if I didn't explain myself clearly . She as done that on just under 7 k for each of the past three years . You holier than thou guys try living on 7 k a year without access to state benefits . Quatada and now his family are still receiving state benefits . So where is the fairness in the state system , I partly blame the Church of Scotland as well as the state benifits system . So please read my posts in the context of the system and the original posters thread . Please do not distort the facts I ready to poor score scorn on the state system . It's situations like this that make me more labour than Tory . I believe in a fair system that supports people for the right reason . And this lady is evidence is one of thousands in the uk who fall foul of the state system and actually genuinely need support and assistance . She is too proud to make an issue of her dire needs . A genuine lady who I respect and totally support and who I give some of my earnings to Well on that basis what should happen is there should be a decent grant for those that want to re-train in stuff like nursing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 28 July, 2013 Share Posted 28 July, 2013 So in summary a middle aged woman with £20,000 in savings chose to return to full time education. As we all know people in full time education aren't available for work so do not qualify for benefits. However she has managed to swing a two year stay at a Church Of Scotland hostel. Remind me again why this is different to millions of other students (except she still has £7,000 savings instead of thousands of debt). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 29 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 July, 2013 I have a female friend who cannot get a council property in Aberdeen as she had 20k in savings. She is a mature student . And they have said she she is 450 and 600 on the housing list . She has just over 7k of savings left but has been told that because of the eastern block immigrants who have priority along with pregnant women then she has no chance of getting council housing . Even though her savings are all but gone . She is a proud and honest lady who feels very appalled at the remotest thought of being dishonest . She feels she might end up on union street . She will not as I will give her somewhere to live. . I find it very disturbing that she cannot get housing support or even benefits yet all these eastern block countries and other ethnic groups can get benefits and she cannot not . I could say a lot more but to be fair to Jill . Who is one life's genuine caring and honest people . Yet the state craps upon her and more importantly so does the Church of Scotland . . . So yet again I support alpine comments look after your own first and if there is spare then let's accommodate others As others have pointed out, VW, this has got bugger all to do with illegal immigration. Your friend is being kept out of council accommodation by people who have the legal right to be here. The vans aren't meant for them. They're meant for illegal immigrants, those who are not from an EU state and haven't made themselves known to the state through an asylum claim. Let's move on to "look after your own" next. I think anyone who has a family has a broad measure of agreement with that. It's what responsible parents are supposed to do. Beyond that, what are "my own", exactly? Compatriots? Fellow Brits? You and Alps may believe that we should look after our countrymen, and those are fine sentiments, but according to public opinion, we're all scroungers too. "Our own", legally, pretty much includes anyone in the EU, which would include the Eastern Europeans which are keeping your friend out of social landlord accommodation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 I disagree with the vans that are being used to promote a negative message about immigration . There are thousands who genuinely bring something worthwhile to the country and I support those folk as well as those who flee tyranny and oppression in their country of origin . There are some destitute folk in the uk and for what ever the reason fall out side of the state support system . That is was I'm so incensed about . The person I refer to was discarded by the church if Scotland . Read the story of Helen peacey . Who was raped by an elder of the church . Maybe this is the wrong thread to raise these issues and I did have a few beers lastnight apologies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 Legal right does not make it morally right does it? The extreme left once again stabbing their own and the worker for their percieved self righteous act of tbe saving the immigrant, most liberal elites dont live in such heavy immigration areas, strange that. Does Clegg live in Rochdale? Teather only states this as its a vote winner and Brent is one such area huve over immigration, the extreme left once again shamelessly ****ting on their own for a vote of someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 As others have pointed out, VW, this has got bugger all to do with illegal immigration. Your friend is being kept out of council accommodation by people who have the legal right to be here. The vans aren't meant for them. They're meant for illegal immigrants, those who are not from an EU state and haven't made themselves known to the state through an asylum claim. Let's move on to "look after your own" next. I think anyone who has a family has a broad measure of agreement with that. It's what responsible parents are supposed to do. Beyond that, what are "my own", exactly? Compatriots? Fellow Brits? You and Alps may believe that we should look after our countrymen, and those are fine sentiments, but according to public opinion, we're all scroungers too. "Our own", legally, pretty much includes anyone in the EU, which would include the Eastern Europeans which are keeping your friend out of social landlord accommodation. Your definition of our own is very different to mine, maybe such persons you are defending would be happy for you try out a trip to their homeland to see if you would get reciprocal arrangements and a warm wlecome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 29 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 July, 2013 Legal right does not make it morally right does it? The extreme left once again stabbing their own and the worker for their percieved self righteous act of tbe saving the immigrant, most liberal elites dont live in such heavy immigration areas, strange that. Does Clegg live in Rochdale? Teather only states this as its a vote winner and Brent is one such area huve over immigration, the extreme left once again shamelessly ****ting on their own for a vote of someone. I'm intrigued, Bazza. Tell us more about the extreme left and liberal elite. Who are they? Are you talking about Clegg and Teather? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 Compared to the genuine misery and harm inflicted on the poorer elements of society by the government's egregious 'spare room tax' then I'm struggling to get my nickers into a twist about this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 (edited) I'm intrigued, Bazza. Tell us more about the extreme left and liberal elite. Who are they? Are you talking about Clegg and Teather? You are prabably intrigued quite a bit pap, in fact I can state you are intrigued an awful lot of the time but nodding and stroking your chin does not make you correct or deep. Clegg for sure, Teather is playing real politik with her foreign born constituents, she has to say that. she is part of the extreme left, conditioned to hate this Nation and **** on the working classes over the immigrant. Edited 29 July, 2013 by Barry Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 29 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 July, 2013 You are prabably intrigued quite a bit pap, in fact I can state you are intrigued an awful lot of the time but nodding and stroking your chin does not make you correct or deep. Clegg for sure, Teather is playing real politik with her foreign born constituents, she has to say that. she is part of the extreme left, conditioned to hate this Nation and **** on the working classes over the immigrant. Y'see, here was me thinking that any party of the extreme left would be doing away with notions of private property and instituting something close to communism. So Sarah Teather is part of that movement, eh? Can you tell us what evidence you have to back this up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 Y'see, here was me thinking that any party of the extreme left would be doing away with notions of private property and instituting something close to communism. So Sarah Teather is part of that movement, eh? Can you tell us what evidence you have to back this up? Well a mansion tax is the thin end of the wedge for them, tell me where in Communism is there was no concept of ownership? Evidence for what? Teather saying this is disgraceful as her consituents are mainly immigrants in Brent shocker.............................. Wake up pap, you cant prove love exists but even I know you love barbie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 29 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 July, 2013 Well a mansion tax is the thin end of the wedge for them, tell me where in Communism is there was no concept of ownership? Evidence for what? Teather saying this is disgraceful as her consituents are mainly immigrants in Brent shocker.............................. Wake up pap, you cant prove love exists but even I know you love barbie. Bazza doesn't know what "extreme left" means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 Speaking of which you still probably dont believe I live in Liverpool which really sums you up, your missus must think you arer a hoot, insecurity issues aside she must think you are the life and soul of the party.......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 29 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 July, 2013 Speaking of which you still probably dont believe I live in Liverpool which really sums you up, your missus must think you arer a hoot, insecurity issues aside she must think you are the life and soul of the party.......................... Mate, given your lack of understanding of the term "extreme left" and your willingness to use it anyway, how seriously do you think I'm taking your insightful character analysis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 Bazza doesn't know what "extreme left" means. Dacha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 Mate, given your lack of understanding of the term "extreme left" and your willingness to use it anyway, how seriously do you think I'm taking your insightful character analysis? Pap you seem to think the extreme left are persons of communists flavour and thats all, my naive baby, that died years ago, the extreme left can come in all shapes and forms, you have only just got into politics if I recall, its shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 29 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 July, 2013 Pap you seem to think the extreme left are persons of communists flavour, my naive baby, that died years ago, the extreme left can come in all shapes and forms, you have only just got into poltics if I recall, its shows. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-left_politics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 And what pap? Your example is 500 words from wikipedia, I think the extreme left deserves a little bit more credit than that lad, smell the coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 And you still have never admitted to being wrong as to where I reside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 29 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 July, 2013 And you still have never admitted to being wrong as to where I reside. Never had cause to. I sent you a PM ages ago, effectively stating that I'd apologise to you in front of the entire forum if I turned out to be wrong about your living arrangements. That offer still stands. Put up or shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 Never had cause to. I sent you a PM ages ago, effectively stating that I'd apologise to you in front of the entire forum if I turned out to be wrong about your living arrangements. That offer still stands. Put up or shut up. A man who trusts no one is not a man, I think you do believe me now but are too proud to admit you are wrong, that says an awful lot about you not me, you harrassed and followed me around, you have no faith I do, this is a current theme in your life it would appear. Dont beleive in this, dont believe in that, **** me you're draining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 I'm intrigued, Bazza. Tell us more about the extreme left and liberal elite. Who are they? Are you talking about Clegg and Teather? Yeah they're on my list, i wouldn't trust them near baby cambridge with long-handled blades. I would lay down my life rather than let them near sweet+innocent baby cambridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 Yeah they're on my list, i wouldn't trust them near baby cambridge with long-handled blades. I would lay down my life rather than let them near sweet+innocent baby cambridge. True dat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 29 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 July, 2013 A man who trusts no one is not a man, I think you do believe me now but are too proud to admit you are wrong, that says an awful lot about you not me, you harrassed and followed me around, you have no faith I do, this is a current theme in your life it would appear. Dont beleive in this, dont believe in that, **** me you're draining. Not at all, Bazza. Pride comes before a fall, and I've repeatedly shown myself to be one of the few posters to show a bit of humility. I don't want any more infractions on account of you, matey. I don't care where you live, and if you hadn't brought it up, that would have been just fine with me. If you want to keep posting this nonsense as "proof", fair play to you. I'm not convinced though, skip. Don't expect others to be, especially when if all you say is true, you could pretty much bury this once and for all. Shame you choose not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 Not at all, Bazza. Pride comes before a fall, and I've repeatedly shown myself to be one of the few posters to show a bit of humility. I don't want any more infractions on account of you, matey. I don't care where you live, and if you hadn't brought it up, that would have been just fine with me. If you want to keep posting this nonsense as "proof", fair play to you. I'm not convinced though, skip. Don't expect others to be, especially when if all you say is true, you could pretty much bury this once and for all. Shame you choose not to. I know you live in the equivilent of 90's Mogadishu in Liverpool, I know that much skip. I sent you receipt the next day of where I was drinking in Liverpool, have asked you for a drink in South Liverpool, you show me a picture of a wet hobbit in a war zone, what does that prove? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 pap and I've repeatedly shown myself to be one of the few posters to show a bit of humility. Ha ha I have just shat me kecks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 Pap has just pm'd me, he states he has moved to an area nicer than mine, he does not know where I live mind, he also states if we have a house off he shall win, I dont believe he has moved mind. A house off ha ha, pap you are a ledge, when I think of you I think of Wolfie Smith Gordon Brittas David Brent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 (edited) I have calmed down now . but society can be unfair. As I said I disagree with the vans the are being driven around parts of the UK just a quick point on Buctooms insensitive post "However she has managed to swing a two year stay at a Church Of Scotland hostel" If you knew anything about the Church of Scotland . This person was married to a minister and they lived in a manse. However when the said Minister took up with a widowed woman as well as physically abusing his he broke the marriage. It was not the Minister who had to move out as the church does not allow that . No it was his wife . She was Homeless through no fault of her own , just a devoted mininsters wife. She went cap in hand and the church found her some accommodation which she pays rent on. Fortunatelly she is a proud person and had no savings and is as honest and genuine as they come. She was given a small amount money by her ex. which she used to get her self together . pay the rent and feed her children . She has and never will look for state handouts , that is not in her nature. and she very much has the same ideology as pap etc . Oh Norway, very witty , but she was that close to camping out in Union Street . So please buctoom before you come out with those comments do your research. Do some research and look up the case of Rev Helen Percy . It just confirms how vindictive the male dominated Church of Scotland is. Her book, Scandalous Immoral and Improper, is a real eye opener and is an excellent read, PS As for Alpines OP. I think it is wrong that an advert like that is being used as it does not help integration in our country. Those who are abusing the system and are here illegally will continue to do just that meanwhile. the thousands of folk who are genuinely here will be wrongly targeted by the extreme right wing idiots and that doesnt bode well for an integrated society Edited 29 July, 2013 by Viking Warrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 What is the % ratio of social houses wanted by immigrants as opposed to people born here Crimes commited etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 What is the % ratio of social houses wanted by immigrants as opposed to people born here Crimes commited etc etc I can only comment on where I work and where I live. Social housing around me is white British & private rented is Eastern European. When I worked in the Black Country some estates, in places like Smethwick, were almost solely immigrant and others, in places like Tipton & Wednesbury, almost exclusively white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 I can only comment on where I work and where I live. Social housing around me is white British & private rented is Eastern European. When I worked in the Black Country some estates, in places like Smethwick, were almost solely immigrant and others, in places like Tipton & Wednesbury, almost exclusively white. Is private rented meaning the social pay as there is a lack of housing association stock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 29 July, 2013 Share Posted 29 July, 2013 Is private rented meaning the social pay as there is a lack of housing association stock? No. Private landlords, working folk renting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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