Window Cleaner Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Strange how Boruc didn't play. Not played as often as I would expect our first choice keeper to. I can only hope that the coaching team are trying to choose the lesser of 2 evils for the bench job.
Saint Charlie Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Everyone bleats on about full back cover and wingers but its clear we need two more additions to make us a properly decent team. A top striker A defender to play with Lovren That is all.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 How was Lovren tonight for those that watched the 90?
Pastor Patrón Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Don't suppose there's a replay online anywhere?
ottery st mary Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 I do like the look of Lovren and Wanyama......improves the team no end.....Class:) With Ramirez to come in ...we are getting there as a top half of the league side.. 2 additions and the emergence of more youth players and we can push on and win a lot more games than last season. LOVREN is GOOD..VERY GOOD.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Don't suppose there's a replay online anywhere? http://torrentbutler.eu/new/horror
JoeShmoe Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Wanyama and Lovren looked good IMO. As did Shaw, Punch and JRod Worryingly Lallana looks as ineffectual as he did at the end of last season, I wonder if he will play that much thus year if Ramirez kicks on as Punch, Davis and JRod offer us a lot more in the wide areas of that attacking midfield 3
Leicestersaint Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 The failure to score is worrying - we need a striker with real pace.
ART Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 After watching Di Canio's Sunderland beat Spurs today, I think our seasons opening is going to give us a very rude awaking, That was Sunderland's first close season game with 10 new signings (5 each half)
ART Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Lallana reminds me of Fabrice Fernandes... He reminds me more of Neil McCann. What has happened to him,. Surely not due to post marriage blues.
Turkish Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 You're making yourself look silly. Friendlies aren't the place for these comments. By saying that you're suggesting a positive result would somehow prove we are good enough? Otherwise your point doesn't work and all. Yet a win clearly wouldn't provide anything would it. Too many seem to want to have it both ways but whatever your opinion at least have the self respect to make it fit together coherently. Win lose or draw the fact is a side a handful of points off the top half has enhanced it's squad. It's crazy to suggest that side can't then rise a few places. You seem to think its some over the top positivity to suggest 8th, but in my view there's just nothing that shocking about a team having a good season and coming 8th. It's such a small gap that any of 6 or 7 sides could do it with a bit of luck and good management. Any club that does won't succeed or fail based on friendly games where they don't play their strongest team, test out youngsters and try new tactics etc. if reserves play and make mistakes they won't make the team will they. IMO that's a good thing. It's a time for players to stake a claim or prove they aren't up to it, beyond that it's just fitness and practice. I'd even suggest a team learns a lot more from defeats and mistakes in pre season that winning. That 8-0 showed us nothing. A few youngsters doing well against top opposition, a few daft errors and stuff like that you can work on an learn from, which is what pre season should be about. The point being young Adrian the same players make the same mistakes, goals conceded by individual errors and sloppy mistakes, the story of last season. If picking up on that makes me look stupid to a forum genius like yourself I can live with that.
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 The failure to score is worrying - we need a striker with real pace. We were missing Guly. If he'd have scored another hat-trick we'd have won.
saintalan Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 a green and black kit. please Thought it was chocolate, very tasty I thought!
Ewell Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 I cannot understand why anyone would get upset at the result of a pre season match. To add to that we played almost two different sides each half and both sides were made up of players that will start complimented with backups for next season. So essentially by no means did we have our strongest side out in either half. The above shows that Pochettino see's the match as purely a fitness exercise against very decent opposition otherwise why else would he not put out the strongest team available to him? Pre season is about gaining fitness, implementing ideas and establishing a pattern of play. The results are secondary.
dronskisaint Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Point 1 - arsenal or spurs, yes? The sort if team we are going to have to compete with.. Point 2.- and? Point 3 the same players making the same mistakes. Have we learnt nothing?!! Get over yourself - his points are valid and if you take your Arsenal and Spurs examples take the same heart from two of the four performances against them...arguably three out of four in that I don't think Spurs outplayed us in either game. Good workout, good tryout for squad players and wow..players making mistakes - now there's something new in a game where full fitness hasn't been reached in particular. ...and Lovren's mistakes were brand new to us, nothing like the same.
Turkish Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Get over yourself - his points are valid and if you take your Arsenal and Spurs examples take the same heart from two of the four performances against them...arguably three out of four in that I don't think Spurs outplayed us in either game. Good workout, good tryout for squad players and wow..players making mistakes - now there's something new in a game where full fitness hasn't been reached in particular. ...and Lovren's mistakes were brand new to us, nothing like the same. Oh I see, having an opinion that observing the same players making the same mistakes means I should 'get over myself,' yes?! Fontes mistakes? Davis errors? Sloppy individual errors which cost us last season being repeated now, silly me I should be punching the air snd celebrating our players having a runaround and only losing 2-0.
Olallana Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 After watching Di Canio's Sunderland beat Spurs today, I think our seasons opening is going to give us a very rude awaking, That was Sunderland's first close season game with 10 new signings (5 each half) Lucky we´re opening the season against WBA then...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Two important thing's for pre-season games. Fitness and getting new players to gel and get used to our system. However dont underestimate........... Winning mentality For alot of SWF pre-season games dont matter when we lose, but when we win they do
Saint Martini Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Because Davis will be starting in goal? And Fonte was hardly a starter when we didn't have Lovren under MP. Besides this was our first match against professional opposition, perhaps the players are a bit rusty after not having played at that speed for a few months. If we're playing like this in our final friendly then I'd agree but not under these circumstances. A tactical observation I made was that we were much less vulnerable to the long ball being played when Wanyama was on the pitch.
Saint_clark Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 For alot of SWF pre-season games dont matter when we lose, but when we win they do Bullsh*t, exactly the opposite was true. When we won 8-0 we were told that it was meaningless, but now we've lost all of a sudden it's a cause for concern. Reality is that results matter not one jot in pre-season. I remember hearing someone say something about youth games that is similarly true for pre-season friendlies - it doesn't matter about winning or losing, it is more important that the players learn and improve.
Dalek2003 Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 After watching Di Canio's Sunderland beat Spurs today, I think our seasons opening is going to give us a very rude awaking, That was Sunderland's first close season game with 10 new signings (5 each half) Totally agree. Once again we have been faffing around in the transfer market while the likes of Norwich have been decisive and successful. I think we will be in relegation fight from the word go, but may just survive.
Olallana Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Totally agree. Once again we have been faffing around in the transfer market while the likes of Norwich have been decisive and successful. I think we will be in relegation fight from the word go, but may just survive. No sh*t Sherlock...
dronskisaint Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Oh I see, having an opinion that observing the same players making the same mistakes means I should 'get over myself,' yes?! Fontes mistakes? Davis errors? Sloppy individual errors which cost us last season being repeated now, silly me I should be punching the air snd celebrating our players having a runaround and only losing 2-0. Your response indcates exactly why you should do just that..get over yourself!
Turkish Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Because Davis will be starting in goal? And Fonte was hardly a starter when we didn't have Lovren under MP. Besides this was our first match against professional opposition, perhaps the players are a bit rusty after not having played at that speed for a few months. If we're playing like this in our final friendly then I'd agree but not under these circumstances. A tactical observation I made was that we were much less vulnerable to the long ball being played when Wanyama was on the pitch. Lets he we don't get any injuries next season and don't have to rely on Davis and Fonte.
ottery st mary Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 I would be more worried as a SCHALKE supporter... They were not that good..
Turkish Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Your response indcates exactly why you should do just that..get over yourself! I see the usual suspects are pouncing on anyone who dares to make any points they don't agree with.
Dalek2003 Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 No sh*t Sherlock... You can say what you like. I have been quiet all summer but I could have left the recorded message on. Yes its 'the same old'. Some people need to wake up from dreamland and start facing reality !
Dalek2003 Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 I see the usual suspects are pouncing on anyone who dares to make any points they don't agree with. Yep, not much has changed over the last 3 months !
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Oh I see, having an opinion that observing the same players making the same mistakes means I should 'get over myself,' yes?! Fontes mistakes? Davis errors? Sloppy individual errors which cost us last season being repeated now, silly me I should be punching the air snd celebrating our players having a runaround and only losing 2-0. For someone who bleats on that mongboards are for extracting the **** out of people and shouldn't be taken seriously, you're taking this all a bit too seriously aren't you sweet cheeks
Colinjb Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 For someone who bleats on that mongboards are for extracting the **** out of people and shouldn't be taken seriously, you're taking this all a bit too seriously aren't you sweet cheeks Or he is doing a double bluff and baiting for his own amusement.
Turkish Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 For someone who bleats on that mongboards are for extracting the **** out of people and shouldn't be taken seriously, you're taking this all a bit too seriously aren't you sweet cheeks Oh far from it! Usual observations, people glossing over what they don't want to read and making the normal accusations as usual.
ottery st mary Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 I see the usual idiots/WUM on here again.. FFS go home and support Norwich or whoever you support.. Waste of space on here day after day stirrring the shiiiite....WAAANKERS
GAS Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Saw the game on Sport1 in Germany. We started well with our passing game but never looked a threat. We had much possession and little else. Puncheon for me looked lively and Lambert out of sorts, if not fat. Second half they obviously sussed our game and closed us down and released the ball early over the top. Wallop 2-0 down with little else to shout about. Long live Corke and Schniederlin.
Alanh Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 You can say what you like. I have been quiet all summer but I could have left the recorded message on. Yes its 'the same old'. Some people need to wake up from dreamland and start facing reality ! So we now have Dalek's pronouncement for the season - same as last last year, so finishing 14th.
GAS Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Missed the first half but from comments on here Isgrove looked to be a real handful,hope he gets another go Saturday.Yep, done himself the world of good. Very good performance.
Andy Durman Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 (edited) Back from the game :-) I think if the match had ended at half time I would have gone home satisfied that Saints had controlled a top 4 German team without really creating clear cut chances. Chambers was not out of place and his positional play and forward runs showed maturity. I like him. Wanyama held good position was strong, but misplaced quitea few passes. I think it will take time for Morgan and Cork to get the understanding with Wanyama. Rickie looks a bit rusty. Isgrove is lightning fast and worked very hard. Jay Rod, Shaw and Puncheon looked excellent and Steve Davis quietly went about his business and was noticeable by his absence in the second half. Jos and Lovren controlled and had good understanding. Lovren is not overly quick and needs to work on his position, but he's strong and his distribution is good. I think it's to early to safe if he's the real deal. In the second half we pressed less. Lallana worked very hard, but produced little and Morgan and Wanyama seemed to struggle to understand how to play together. Fonte & Lovren lacked understanding. Jay Rod disappeared on the left and Rickie became isolated. Once Cork, Fox, Clyne etc came on we just seemd to lose the plot. Mayuka was non existent up front. Fonte made a mess with the first goal & Lovren was at fault for the second. Ramirez, Yoshida, Guly and Boruc were not played because of injury and fitness levels. As for the crowd there must have been 4,000 Schalke and 30 Saints supporters. yes I met the famous Alpine Saint and his two sons and may I say it was a real pleasure. Funniest thing at the match was the security man for Saints who stood on the athletics track and watch NC the entire match. Edited 24 July, 2013 by Andy Durman
Nolan Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 After watching Di Canio's Sunderland beat Spurs today, I think our seasons opening is going to give us a very rude awaking, That was Sunderland's first close season game with 10 new signings (5 each half) just read the Sky Sports match report for that one "Sunderland booked their place in the final of the Barclays Asia Trophy after they came from behind to beat Tottenham 3-1 in testing conditions....The first half was delayed by half an hour after a storm caused puddles of water to appear on the pitch, with the match also reduced to 40 minutes in each half. At times the game became something of a lottery, players on both sides struggling to keep their footing on a surface that cut up badly as the game progressed." from the way its described, it certainly sounds like it emulated the avarage premier league match well.
Graffito Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Saw the game on Sport1 in Germany. We started well with our passing game but never looked a threat. We had much possession and little else. Puncheon for me looked lively and Lambert out of sorts, if not fat. Second half they obviously sussed our game and closed us down and released the ball early over the top. Wallop 2-0 down with little else to shout about. Long live Corke and Schniederlin. Didn't see the game but early ball ball over the top and we lose. Seen that before. That really is something that needs sorting.
croydonsaint Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Mods, please read this thread. An example of why this site is rubbish now. Why do you allow Turkish to spoil the tone of every thread?
Andy Durman Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 All in all it was good fun. I would have liked to see a goal by Saints, but at least I got back to the hotel in time to have my evening meal
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 All in all it was good fun. I would have liked to see a goal by Saints, but at least I got back to the hotel in time to have my evening meal Does NC have a broken leg? Good summary btw & thank you for posting it
VectisSaint Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 After watching Di Canio's Sunderland beat Spurs today, I think our seasons opening is going to give us a very rude awaking, That was Sunderland's first close season game with 10 new signings (5 each half) I'll bet that come May 2014 Spuds will be several places above Sunderland in the PL table. My only caveat to that would be if Bale leaves, in which case Spuds may drop several places. Sunderland will be in the relegation zone in my opinion.
Turkish Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Mods, please read this thread. An example of why this site is rubbish now. Why do you allow Turkish to spoil the tone of every thread? I think you'll find it was ruined by people having a go at me giving my opinion on the defensive errors.
holepuncture Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Just going to watch the 90 again..... Will comment later This. That is exactly why I respect you as a contributor. Well done.
GAS Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 For someone who bleats on that mongboards are for extracting the **** out of people and shouldn't be taken seriously, you're taking this all a bit too seriously aren't you sweet cheeksCan somebody please explain to me what a mongboard is, as I don´t think I like the sound of it? Or would you rather keep your nasty meanings hidden or just ignorantly expressed?
ottery st mary Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 Back from the game :-) I think if the match had ended at half time I would have gone home satisfied that Saints had controlled a top 4 German team without really creating clear cut chances. Chambers was not out of place and his positional play and forward runs showed maturity. I like him. Wanyama held good position was strong, but misplaced quitea few passes. I think it will take time for Morgan and Cork to get the understanding with Wanyama. Rickie looks a bit rusty. Isgrove is lightning fast and worked very hard. Jay Rod, Shaw and Puncheon looked excellent and Steve Davis quietly went about his business and was noticeable by his absence in the second half. Jos and Lovren controlled and had good understanding. Lovren is not overly quick and needs to work on his position, but he's strong and his distribution is good. I think it's to early to safe if he's the real deal. In the second half we pressed less. Lallana worked very hard, but produced little and Morgan and Wanyama seemed to struggle to understand how to play together. Fonte & Lovren lacked understanding. Jay Rod disappeared on the left and Rickie became isolated. Once Cork, Fox, Clyne etc came on we just seemd to lose the plot. Mayuka was non existent up front. Fonte made a mess with the first goal & Lovren was at fault for the second. Ramirez, Yoshida, Guly and Boruc were not played because of injury and fitness levels. As for the crowd there must have been 4,000 Schalke and 30 Saints supporters. yes I met the famous Alpine Saint and his two sons and may I say it was a real pleasure. Funniest thing at the match was the security man for Saints who stood on the athletics track and watch NC the entire match. Thanks for the summary of the game.... Hopefully we will move up a gear next game
holepuncture Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 I think you'll find it was ruined by people having a go at me giving my opinion on the defensive errors.
saintbob40 Posted 24 July, 2013 Posted 24 July, 2013 VW does not make himself available for the ball like Cork does( so a lot of aimless long balls) and generally does not get through the same amount of work as Cork and Morgan. Consequently we were out of possession a lot. Don't think Morgan and Wanyama will work as well as Morgan and Cork. MP hasn't tried all three together with either Morgan or VW in the 3 of the 4 2 3 1 which surprises me. Ugly game.
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