buctootim Posted 19 July, 2013 Share Posted 19 July, 2013 Nothing says SFC were happy to sell him - it just says A. Madrid were happy to buy him. No it doesn't. It says AM were close to buying him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 July, 2013 Share Posted 19 July, 2013 No it doesn't. It says AM were close to buying him. Which of course can me completely nothing at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 19 July, 2013 Share Posted 19 July, 2013 Which of course can me completely nothing at all Quite. Hence "If AM really were close to signing him"..... Odd though that when Sky Italia were writing about Gaston possibly leaving Bologna for Saints it was lapped up and turned out to be true. When the same source writes something about him leaving Saints..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanW Posted 19 July, 2013 Share Posted 19 July, 2013 No it doesn't. It says AM were close to buying him. Hah! Touche, good sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 19 July, 2013 Share Posted 19 July, 2013 smirkig saint you have opened pandoras box Re why Boruc hasnt won many headers this year This is bloody awful, whose our heading coach ? They should be sacked for not getting the best out of boruc:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 19 July, 2013 Share Posted 19 July, 2013 smirkig saint you have opened pandoras box Re why Boruc hasnt won many headers this year This is bloody awful, whose our heading coach ? They should be sacked for not getting the best out of boruc:) I've long thought we should play an inferior keeper, and keep Boruc on the bench as an impact goalie for the last 15 minutes if we're losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 July, 2013 Share Posted 19 July, 2013 Quite. Hence "If AM really were close to signing him"..... Odd though that when Sky Italia were writing about Gaston possibly leaving Bologna for Saints it was lapped up and turned out to be true. When the same source writes something about him leaving Saints..... Odd nothing, I take any media reports with a pinch of salt until I hear of anything from a more official source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintroyt Posted 19 July, 2013 Share Posted 19 July, 2013 join the sfc board and come out with some actual hardcore facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickylambert Posted 19 July, 2013 Share Posted 19 July, 2013 Can't be bothered to read all the posts. Are Inter signing Gaston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 July, 2013 Share Posted 19 July, 2013 No it doesn't. It means that some journo made five out of adding two and two and then attempted to save face by insinuating that it was virtually a done deal until Ramirez said he didn't wish to leave. If that journo had taken the trouble to go back a month or two, he would have realised that Ramirez had made his position clear then and he could have saved himself the embarassment of making himself look like a prat. A prat like someone writing off paper reports of Adkins sacking and Poch's appointment merely hours before it happened? That kind of prat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 19 July, 2013 Share Posted 19 July, 2013 tancredipalmeri: Southampton couldn't find an agreement with Atletico Madrid to sell Ramirez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 July, 2013 Share Posted 19 July, 2013 tancredipalmeri: Southampton couldn't find an agreement with Atletico Madrid to sell Ramirez The way that is wirtten makes it sound like hes gone for the right price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 19 July, 2013 Share Posted 19 July, 2013 The way that is wirtten makes it sound like hes gone for the right price. Indeed it does. However, others saying that we simply didn't want to negotiate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 19 July, 2013 Share Posted 19 July, 2013 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-transfers-gaston-ramirez-wanted-2068236#.Uem2Jlu40TQ.twitter The club replied to my tweet asking when he was expected in Spain saying he was due there this weekend. Be interesting to see if he does show. That article the other day suggests he is going to be so fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 19 July, 2013 Share Posted 19 July, 2013 Gaston has plenty of talent and I look forward to being proved wrong and am happy to eat my own words should he do so but I've never seen anyone more lightweight on the ball simply faling over at the faintest of tackles or running straight into trouble and losing posession he makes Lallana look strong and gave the ball away more than any other player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 July, 2013 Share Posted 19 July, 2013 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-transfers-gaston-ramirez-wanted-2068236#.Uem2Jlu40TQ.twitter The club replied to my tweet asking when he was expected in Spain saying he was due there this weekend. Be interesting to see if he does show. That article the other day suggests he is going to be so fingers crossed. Of course he will show. This Inter link has already been denied by Sky Italia. Hope he will play well and end all the various drivel written about him on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 July, 2013 Share Posted 19 July, 2013 good spot. With some players you can see straight away that they have `it'. Whether they develop is another matter, but why Saints fans want rid of genuine talent before it has been given time to blossom is beyond me. Funnily enough some same posters couldn't see his ability and wanted him out.... I think it is an absolute disgrace to be mentioning Ramirez in the same sentence as MLT. MLT was already single-handedly burying the opposition long before he reached Ramirez's age. Talent means nothing if you cannot properly channel it/use it. Hopefully Gaston next season improves on MLT record at the same age.. MLT aged 23, Played 36, 6 goals and as more forward player MLT early seasons included returns of 6, 0, 9, 6 goals. Bet you are glad there weren't match day threads then which would be haunting you now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chivvy1664 Posted 20 July, 2013 Share Posted 20 July, 2013 Two defensive midfielder means he doesn't have to track back. If he could play through balls to somewhen with a bit more pace we would see the best of him. He is a quality player but as usual English want effort and work rate of technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 20 July, 2013 Share Posted 20 July, 2013 A prat like someone writing off paper reports of Adkins sacking and Poch's appointment merely hours before it happened? That kind of prat? The vast majority of Saints fans were caught out by that one, so most of us were prats by your definition. But let's take another case more recent. Shaw was going to Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, City and we were assured by several journos that they were all done deals. But talking about prats, how about you giving us your predictions in advance as to the situation between Man Utd and West Ham for this coming season? Do you think that West Ham will be a) As likely as Man Utd to go down b) Less likely than Man Utd to go down c) More likely than Man Utd to go down Or would you prefer to wait until sufficient time has passed during the season so that it is clear that United going down is a mathematical impossibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonwindmill Posted 20 July, 2013 Share Posted 20 July, 2013 The vast majority of Saints fans were caught out by that one, so most of us were prats by your definition. But let's take another case more recent. Shaw was going to Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, City and we were assured by several journos that they were all done deals. But talking about prats, how about you giving us your predictions in advance as to the situation between Man Utd and West Ham for this coming season? Do you think that West Ham will be a) As likely as Man Utd to go down b) Less likely than Man Utd to go down c) More likely than Man Utd to go down Or would you prefer to wait until sufficient time has passed during the season so that it is clear that United going down is a mathematical impossibility? Which 'United' are you referring to in that last sentence? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 20 July, 2013 Share Posted 20 July, 2013 I just hope he stays and we get him to play at the level he has shown he is capable of. At Bologna he was highest( or v close to highest the previous season) in serie A for dribbling success and fouls provoked. To me it suggests he was given an open licence to do that- take ball, run with it, make something happen - and he showed that in some early games for us. Andit was something Saints certainly needed. But little by little he changed into a more orthodox, or more disciplined if you like, player, less risky but more reliable, especially defensively. And it seemed to blunt his highest level skill and he clearly wasn't physically able to play 90 minutes, or equally importantly, by 70 minutes we needed a better defender on the pitch to hold what we had at that point- as if GR was part of our" offence" team to use American football jargon, whereas Davis etc was part of a more " defensive" team. Almost at the same time we saw the rise of JRod as the player who got the ball and went running with it to try and make something happen. Coincidence? He was not playing that way early season out on the wing but from an inside forward kind of position he started making mazy runs and shooting lots, just exactly what we thought we were going to be getting from GR. I've not thought through why that was yet but I think there's a connection in there somewhere....does anyone else see this phenomenon in that light? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 20 July, 2013 Share Posted 20 July, 2013 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-transfers-gaston-ramirez-wanted-2068236#.Uem2Jlu40TQ.twitter The club replied to my tweet asking when he was expected in Spain saying he was due there this weekend. Be interesting to see if he does show. That article the other day suggests he is going to be so fingers crossed. why would we want someone at the club who can't even be arsed to turn up for pre season training on time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 20 July, 2013 Share Posted 20 July, 2013 I for one hope we don't sell Gaston. Contrary to his indifferent season he's still a talented young individual and he'll be important to us this coming season if we want to realise our ambitions of a top ten finish. That said if it's for a profit, and we replace him PROPERLY with a couple of quality attacking options, I wouldn't be completely against the decision. As it stands though, one more attacking midfielder (and of course one more striker) and I'd be completely chuffed with our attacking options. Any other signings would be a bonus - for instance we're still a tad light in defence, but not so bad we can't cope until January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 20 July, 2013 Share Posted 20 July, 2013 (edited) I just hope he stays and we get him to play at the level he has shown he is capable of. At Bologna he was highest( or v close to highest the previous season) in serie A for dribbling success and fouls provoked. To me it suggests he was given an open licence to do that- take ball, run with it, make something happen - and he showed that in some early games for us. Andit was something Saints certainly needed. But little by little he changed into a more orthodox, or more disciplined if you like, player, less risky but more reliable, especially defensively. And it seemed to blunt his highest level skill and he clearly wasn't physically able to play 90 minutes, or equally importantly, by 70 minutes we needed a better defender on the pitch to hold what we had at that point- as if GR was part of our" offence" team to use American football jargon, whereas Davis etc was part of a more " defensive" team. Almost at the same time we saw the rise of JRod as the player who got the ball and went running with it to try and make something happen. Coincidence? He was not playing that way early season out on the wing but from an inside forward kind of position he started making mazy runs and shooting lots, just exactly what we thought we were going to be getting from GR. I've not thought through why that was yet but I think there's a connection in there somewhere....does anyone else see this phenomenon in that light? There was an interesting Stat posted last season in the Daily Fail regarding different ways of measuring the most valuable player at each PL club. The measure they created was the points "earnt" while different players were on the pitch. Gaston was our highest rated player. I certainly have no wish to see him leave. Many of the passes the effort types on here moan about being wasted were tight and creative attempts to split a defence with the final ball. Something that we badly missed from the likes of Puncheon last year. Having Rickie drop deep to hold the ball up gave us a lot of options last year, and yet it often gave us few options for a quick "defence splitting pass" as our other floating strikers were still getting into position and SRL was not around to pick up a through pass and score Having someone good enough to actually get on the end of one of Gaston's passes was the thing I was MOST looking forward to this coming season. Let's hope MP un-coaches the drop deep and defend mentality Giordano seems to have noticed and he defends higher up this year. GR in some ways reminds me of Charlie George when he first arrived - he was simply too good for the other players around him, thinking faster than them. It took a while but he and the others caught on and we then played some great stuff, but in his early days (pre-lawnmowers) people moaned about him Edited 20 July, 2013 by dubai_phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 20 July, 2013 Share Posted 20 July, 2013 Diificult to believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 20 July, 2013 Share Posted 20 July, 2013 why would we want someone at the club who can't even be arsed to turn up for pre season training on time? Ramirez was given extra time off BY THE CLUB, a he played until the penultimate day in the Confederations cup. Surely its common sense to let a player have a decent holiday to recharge his batteries as its not good for the player or the club if the burn out early in the season. Sent from my Lumia 800 using Board Express Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 20 July, 2013 Share Posted 20 July, 2013 Ramirez due back today according to the OS match preview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 July, 2013 Share Posted 20 July, 2013 Ramirez was given extra time off BY THE CLUB, a he played until the penultimate day in the Confederations cup. Surely its common sense to let a player have a decent holiday to recharge his batteries as its not good for the player or the club if the burn out early in the season. Sent from my Lumia 800 using Board Express He doesnt use common sense much that one, just hates Ramirez. Prejudism isnt nice, should know better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 20 July, 2013 Share Posted 20 July, 2013 He's back. Speculation over. @SouthamptonFC: Welcome to Spain! Gastón Ramírez has just arrived at #SaintsFC's hotel. #preseasonuncovered https://t.co/VIgW2FOGl9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowers-sfc Posted 20 July, 2013 Share Posted 20 July, 2013 Southampton FC Liked · about an hour ago Gastón Ramírez has linked up with the Saints squad at their base in Spain having been given an extended summer break after reaching the last four of the 2013 FIFA Confederations Cup with Uruguay. #preseasonuncovered #saintsfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 20 July, 2013 Share Posted 20 July, 2013 at least he's let his hair grow back rather than keeping the stupid shaved head look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 July, 2013 Share Posted 20 July, 2013 He has horrendous dress sense. Those jeans and trainers are awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 20 July, 2013 Share Posted 20 July, 2013 He has horrendous dress sense. Those jeans and trainers are awful. Cheers Gok Wan Tbf he has travelled from South America, I think he looks remarkably dapper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 20 July, 2013 Share Posted 20 July, 2013 Southampton FC Let's just hope he doesn't pick up an injury tripping over his laces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 20 July, 2013 Share Posted 20 July, 2013 Ramirez was given extra time off BY THE CLUB, a he played until the penultimate day in the Confederations cup. Surely its common sense to let a player have a decent holiday to recharge his batteries as its not good for the player or the club if the burn out early in the season. Sent from my Lumia 800 using Board Express Apolgies man enough to admit when I've jumped the gun wish the article had filled me in properly. And to the poster below I don't hate Ramirez I said he was talented just not using it well so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 20 July, 2013 Share Posted 20 July, 2013 Let's just hope he doesn't pick up an injury tripping over his laces. I think the unlaced trainers will make it easier for him to slip them off to walk across the coals that are waiting for him in the pit immediately to his left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 July, 2013 Share Posted 21 July, 2013 Not sure if new news http://www.football-italia.net/36643/agent-ramirez-happy-inter think his agent enjoys being busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Alert Posted 21 July, 2013 Share Posted 21 July, 2013 I am sure I am not the only one on here, but I really really do not want Gaston to leave. He has a lot to offer us in the coming seasons and I am excited by the prospect of him growing with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 21 July, 2013 Share Posted 21 July, 2013 Not sure if new news http://www.football-italia.net/36643/agent-ramirez-happy-inter think his agent enjoys being busy. Pretty sure those Dortmund rumors from a few weeks ago Pochettino denied that ended when Ramirez said he wanted to stay were started by his agent in an interview with tuttomercatoweb. He's also the agent of Gonzalo Bueno, who we have been linked with for weeks mostly due to this agent saying we want him in interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 21 July, 2013 Share Posted 21 July, 2013 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/8834249/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 21 July, 2013 Share Posted 21 July, 2013 This smells of the agent wanting a payday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 21 July, 2013 Share Posted 21 July, 2013 Fairplay to the agent, basically saying Gaston has made a commitment to us and if Inter want him they will have to pay us big. Nothing wrong with that, he only in Italy flogging Bueno anyway so is bound to be in the papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 21 July, 2013 Share Posted 21 July, 2013 I really hope he stays and I'm confident he will. Can't see Cortese selling unless there is a big offer, and can't see one big enough coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 21 July, 2013 Share Posted 21 July, 2013 Fairplay to the agent, basically saying Gaston has made a commitment to us and if Inter want him they will have to pay us big. Nothing wrong with that, he only in Italy flogging Bueno anyway so is bound to be in the papers. Like you say, didn't actually see too much wrong with his comments. He's not suggesting the player wants to move or that there is any concrete interest, only that he would have to evaluate if a big enough offer came in. If Inter were interested last year and couldn't stump up the cash then they are even more unlikely to be in a position to do so now, as I can't see Cortese selling him for just what we originally paid. Bit of a non-story this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 21 July, 2013 Share Posted 21 July, 2013 Like you say, didn't actually see too much wrong with his comments. He's not suggesting the player wants to move or that there is any concrete interest, only that he would have to evaluate if a big enough offer came in. If Inter were interested last year and couldn't stump up the cash then they are even more unlikely to be in a position to do so now, as I can't see Cortese selling him for just what we originally paid. Bit of a non-story this. Furthermore, if they couldn't afford him last year, not being in the CL this year certainly won't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 23 July, 2013 Share Posted 23 July, 2013 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/5028630/Gaston-Ramirez-eyes-Southampton-exit-alerting-Inter-Milan.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 23 July, 2013 Share Posted 23 July, 2013 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/5028630/Gaston-Ramirez-eyes-Southampton-exit-alerting-Inter-Milan.html It's a relief to see it's only the agent stirring things up. Long term contracts must be a nightmare for agents - not much fun when they payers stay put for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 23 July, 2013 Share Posted 23 July, 2013 I like they way the agent states "if we get a good offer we will consider it." Er...you forgot that the club first has to accept an offer before YOU can receive an offer. Or is there a clue there.....could there be a big club clause minimum fee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 July, 2013 Share Posted 23 July, 2013 Gaston has plenty of talent and I look forward to being proved wrong and am happy to eat my own words should he do so but I've never seen anyone more lightweight on the ball simply faling over at the faintest of tackles or running straight into trouble and losing posession he makes Lallana look strong and gave the ball away more than any other player Sorry but this is just plain wrong. He holds people off quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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