Gaston set for Inter?

[Wiggles31]

I'm actually mostly looking forward to Gaston next season. He is probably our best player. What was it, 5 goals and 3 assists? If that is him on a poor season imagine a half decent season!!!!!

[St_Tel49]

You can take it as being the result of a cat running across my keyboard if you like, it's not interesting enough to discuss to that length really.

That would certainly explain your opinions.

[St_Tel49]

You can take it as being the result of a cat running across my keyboard if you like, it's not interesting enough to discuss to that length really.

That would certainly explain your opinions.

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

OK, there is a lot of unpleasant posturing from contributors on both sides of this debate. It really isn't necessary. Let's just accept that people have very different views on this one shall we?

 

The way I see it is this....

 

1. Gaston is a player with huge potential.

2. Gaston cost a lot of money so many people placed huge expectations on him.

3. Sometimes last season we saw him live up to that potential.

4. Sometimes last season he failed to live up to his price tag and to show that potential.

5. Gaston seemed to never have the level of fitness of other players last season - witness the number of times he was subbed after 60 minutes.

6. Gaston remains a player with huge potential - of the sort that draws interest from top clubs.

7. This season Gaston will start having had some sort of pre-season (even if it is sadly less than others have had).

8. If we sign Ever Banega then Gaston will have a real battle to be in the side.

9. If we sign Banega and play him and Ramirez together it could be amazing!

10. Even when he is having a poor game Gaston like other flair players has the potential to do something that can change a game.

 

I personally hope that we will have Banega, Ramirez, Lallana, Puncheon and maybe some new winger all competing for a starting place in the side next season and that we will see each of them raising their game to compete. I also hope that each player will have a higher level of fitness to be able to effectively implement the Poch's high pressing game. At the same time I would love to see Isgrove also learning from them and developing into a top talent too.

 

Finally, as to my opinion's about certain posters on here, my view is let them have their opinions, learn to understand their jokes and sarcasm and appreciate the positive things they bring to the forum instead of seeing only the negative. Ironically, some of them seem to spend a lot of time focusing on the negative side of our players - so, if you don't like that, try not to treat them in the same way - it only increases their negative outlook. Treat people more positively and they will slowly but surely become more positive too!

 

One poster who has had a lot of criticism lately (rather taking the mantle from Alpine) is Glasgow. Personally, I'd like to thank Glasgow for taking the trouble to repost the post I had previously made about Banega, but which I had posted on the wrong thread (the Damiao one!). Unfortunately I had used up my three posts and so Glasgow was able to post the news in the right place! So thank you mate! I may not always agree with you, but I certainly appreciate what you bring to this forum!

[Lord Duckhunter]

I think he flatters to deceive and personally I don't think we'll see the best of him. He gives the ball away too much, I just don't buy the" its the position/way he plays arguement, he still has a duty to protect the ball and not give it away in stupid positions. He gives it away , when there's really no need not when he trying something amazing that doesn't quite come off. His dead ball delivery is criminal, if fox's were the same he would get even more clogg. Personally, he looks to me that he doesn't want to be here.

 

If offered our money back id snap their hands off. One thing for sure, there won't be a premiership club in for him. He may go back and do well in Italy, that doesn't mean it was wrong to sell him, we play In England and my opinion is he won't cut it in England.

 

Hope im wrong.

[Wade Garrett]

I think he flatters to deceive and personally I don't think we'll see the best of him. He gives the ball away too much, I just don't buy the" its the position/way he plays arguement, he still has a duty to protect the ball and not give it away in stupid positions. He gives it away , when there's really no need not when he trying something amazing that doesn't quite come off. His dead ball delivery is criminal, if fox's were the same he would get even more clogg. Personally, he looks to me that he doesn't want to be here.

 

If offered our money back id snap their hands off. One thing for sure, there won't be a premiership club in for him. He may go back and do well in Italy, that doesn't mean it was wrong to sell him, we play In England and my opinion is he won't cut it in England.

 

Hope im wrong.

 

Like another Uruguayan, Diego Forlan. Couldn't hit his foot for Man Utd, but looks world class elsewhere.

[Matty's Caddy]

Wow. Divisive topic. Some considered comments. Some by obvious wums who think they are wittier than they actually are.

For those that want him to go irrespective- first of all how come that no mark team Inter Milan fancy our player? Secondly how come they think he might be worth 10m after what by all accounts was a bad season with saints? They must be mad or idiots right? Or maybe you are? Which? Or both? Is he really worth 10m now despite being supposedly worse than anyone in our transfer history? Are we lucky to get such mugs to want this hopeless player?

Feel sorry for our next flair player tbh. And if he goes and AL does not deliver who will you turn on next? The ones who try to play football always get the haters on their back quickly. Just glad you were not around when MLT was at his peak of strolling around but scoring. You would have sold him to those mugs from Tottenham and got a packhorse fast running mf instead.

 

Like

[egg]

I think he flatters to deceive and personally I don't think we'll see the best of him. He gives the ball away too much, I just don't buy the" its the position/way he plays arguement, he still has a duty to protect the ball and not give it away in stupid positions. He gives it away , when there's really no need not when he trying something amazing that doesn't quite come off. His dead ball delivery is criminal, if fox's were the same he would get even more clogg. Personally, he looks to me that he doesn't want to be here.

 

If offered our money back id snap their hands off. One thing for sure, there won't be a premiership club in for him. He may go back and do well in Italy, that doesn't mean it was wrong to sell him, we play In England and my opinion is he won't cut it in England.

 

Hope im wrong.

 

All of this.

[Saint Garrett]

He's more than capable of putting in decent balls though from set pieces, he just had a few games towards the end of the season when they were poor, hopefully he's been working on his consistency levels, and maybe he can channel all that talent to be a special player for us.

[alpine_saint]

FFS he cant play 90 mins for club or country and he covers a fraction of the ground covered by the likes of cork and schneiderlin. Also has a terrible temperament and next year if he's here, you mark my words, opposing playing will be winding up left right and center until he snaps.

 

Not a fan.

 

This.

 

As I said earlier, hes not going to acclimatise to our game. Maybe Internazionale will work out better for him.

[Saint Garrett]

This.

 

As I said earlier, hes not going to acclimatise to our game. Maybe Internazionale will work out better for him.

 

He definitely won't or you personally don't think he will?!

[goneawol]

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[alpine_saint]

He definitely won't or you personally don't think he will?!

 

You know the answer to that question, so why did you bother with the post ? Its pedantic and petty.

 

Really, the foot-stamping and teeth-grinding in this place when someone dares to say they dont rate Ramirez and dont think it will work out, is a sight to behold.

[mulletsaint]

Wow. Divisive topic. Some considered comments. Some by obvious wums who think they are wittier than they actually are.

For those that want him to go irrespective- first of all how come that no mark team Inter Milan fancy our player? Secondly how come they think he might be worth 10m after what by all accounts was a bad season with saints? They must be mad or idiots right? Or maybe you are? Which? Or both? Is he really worth 10m now despite being supposedly worse than anyone in our transfer history? Are we lucky to get such mugs to want this hopeless player?

Feel sorry for our next flair player tbh. And if he goes and AL does not deliver who will you turn on next? The ones who try to play football always get the haters on their back quickly. Just glad you were not around when MLT was at his peak of strolling around but scoring. You would have sold him to those mugs from Tottenham and got a packhorse fast running mf instead.

 

Great post.

 

I think Gaston showed enough glimpses of talent last season for us to give him more time. He's a young player who doesn't speak the language, trying to get to grips with a new league in a season disrupted by niggly injuries. It was always a big ask to expect him to come in and perform consistently brilliantly last season. If he has another poor season this time around maybe it'll be time to question his signing. Personally I'm hoping for a decent level of improvement season on season.

[S-Clarke]

You know the answer to that question, so why did you bother with the post ? Its pedantic and petty.

 

Really, the foot-stamping and teeth-grinding in this place when someone dares to say they dont rate Ramirez and dont think it will work out, is a sight to behold.

 

Really, the foot stamping and teeth-grinding in this place when someone dares to say something positive to show support, is a sight to be behold.

[alpine_saint]

Really, the foot stamping and teeth-grinding in this place when someone dares to say something positive to show support, is a sight to be behold.

 

What a spectacularly childish and unfunny post.

[mulletsaint]

You know the answer to that question, so why did you bother with the post ? Its pedantic and petty.

 

Really, the foot-stamping and teeth-grinding in this place when someone dares to say they dont rate Ramirez and dont think it will work out, is a sight to behold.

 

Unfortunately, once again you post your opinions in such a way that they appear as facts. This gets peoples backs up. I can't believe you're still surprised and/or annoyed by it.

 

I don't care who you rate and who you don't as I have little respect for your opinions as there never seems any balance to them.

[jasonb]

Wow. Divisive topic. Some considered comments. Some by obvious wums who think they are wittier than they actually are.

For those that want him to go irrespective- first of all how come that no mark team Inter Milan fancy our player? Secondly how come they think he might be worth 10m after what by all accounts was a bad season with saints? They must be mad or idiots right? Or maybe you are? Which? Or both? Is he really worth 10m now despite being supposedly worse than anyone in our transfer history? Are we lucky to get such mugs to want this hopeless player?

Feel sorry for our next flair player tbh. And if he goes and AL does not deliver who will you turn on next? The ones who try to play football always get the haters on their back quickly. Just glad you were not around when MLT was at his peak of strolling around but scoring. You would have sold him to those mugs from Tottenham and got a packhorse fast running mf instead.

 

Good post!

 

Whilst Gaston has a long way to go before he reaches MLT legendary status; it is worth remembering or indeed highlighting (for the these new breed of idiot super fanboy forum WUMs) that MLT was also lazy, ineffectual and down right crap sometimes. As most of us recall, MLT was also unplayable on his day, maybe even a genius.

 

Ramirez could be great. Time will tell. A more settled player may yet prove to be the match winner we all (I hope) want him to be.

 

The only players we should be selling now are the not so good squad players and those who want to leave. We've spent too many years shooting ourselves in the foot.

[Saint Charlie]

Sky Italia have confirmed Atletico Madrid were interested but he is staying at Saints.

 

Should arrive in Spain over this weekend I think.

[tajjuk]

Can we stick to just the transfer rumour?, the assessment of Gaston has been done to death and frankly he needs to play more games to either prove the doubters wrong or confirm their comments, at the moment we are exactly where we were months ago.

 

There is no way Cortese will sell him at a loss and I don't think Inter have the cash to pay £15-17 million up front for a player.

[alpine_saint]

Good post!

 

Whilst Gaston has a long way to go before he reaches MLT legendary status; it is worth remembering or indeed highlighting (for the these new breed of idiot super fanboy forum WUMs) that MLT was also lazy, ineffectual and down right crap sometimes. As most of us recall, MLT was also unplayable on his day, maybe even a genius.

 

Ramirez could be great. Time will tell. A more settled player may yet prove to be the match winner we all (I hope) want him to be.

 

The only players we should be selling now are the not so good squad players and those who want to leave. We've spent too many years shooting ourselves in the foot.

 

I think it is an absolute disgrace to be mentioning Ramirez in the same sentence as MLT.

 

MLT was already single-handedly burying the opposition long before he reached Ramirez's age.

 

Talent means nothing if you cannot properly channel it/use it.

[speed demon]

I think he'd go like a shot if everyone got what they wanted in the deal. I've never felt and still don't, that he even wants to be here. Problem for him now is the same thing that got him here in the first place - a great big fat transfer fee and the "they're paying me loads a money" bit. I'm sure several clubs on the continent would have him but not at that sort of money and as we have moved on from being a selling club he's stuck here for the time being.

 

I think he's under serious pressure to perform this season. Last season he was at a bit of a flop imo but many including myself give him the benefit of the doubt that it's his first season and all that with the hope/expectation that this season he nails it. My fear is that he never will for us.

 

As others have said though you can see he's got a bit of class about him and is very talented some people will write him off and he'll go on to be world beater, hopefully with us but I'm not sure.

 

So no one can accuse me of sitting on the fence my view is that I would sell him. It's a close call because it could go either way and I'm not one of these Gashton bashers on here but on balance, from what I've seen, for what he cost, yeah I'd sell him.

[Minsk]

OK, there is a lot of unpleasant posturing from contributors on both sides of this debate. It really isn't necessary. Let's just accept that people have very different views on this one shall we?

 

The way I see it is this....

 

1. Gaston is a player with huge potential.

2. Gaston cost a lot of money so many people placed huge expectations on him.

3. Sometimes last season we saw him live up to that potential.

4. Sometimes last season he failed to live up to his price tag and to show that potential.

5. Gaston seemed to never have the level of fitness of other players last season - witness the number of times he was subbed after 60 minutes.

6. Gaston remains a player with huge potential - of the sort that draws interest from top clubs.

7. This season Gaston will start having had some sort of pre-season (even if it is sadly less than others have had).

8. If we sign Ever Banega then Gaston will have a real battle to be in the side.

9. If we sign Banega and play him and Ramirez together it could be amazing!

10. Even when he is having a poor game Gaston like other flair players has the potential to do something that can change a game.

 

I personally hope that we will have Banega, Ramirez, Lallana, Puncheon and maybe some new winger all competing for a starting place in the side next season and that we will see each of them raising their game to compete. I also hope that each player will have a higher level of fitness to be able to effectively implement the Poch's high pressing game. At the same time I would love to see Isgrove also learning from them and developing into a top talent too.

 

Finally, as to my opinion's about certain posters on here, my view is let them have their opinions, learn to understand their jokes and sarcasm and appreciate the positive things they bring to the forum instead of seeing only the negative. Ironically, some of them seem to spend a lot of time focusing on the negative side of our players - so, if you don't like that, try not to treat them in the same way - it only increases their negative outlook. Treat people more positively and they will slowly but surely become more positive too!

 

One poster who has had a lot of criticism lately (rather taking the mantle from Alpine) is Glasgow. Personally, I'd like to thank Glasgow for taking the trouble to repost the post I had previously made about Banega, but which I had posted on the wrong thread (the Damiao one!). Unfortunately I had used up my three posts and so Glasgow was able to post the news in the right place! So thank you mate! I may not always agree with you, but I certainly appreciate what you bring to this forum!

 

Good post.

 

The highlighted bit is what I would like to see this coming season too.

[Cabrone]

If we could sign an Osvaldo ()or a Damiao then Gaston would be transformed.

 

I hope the club keeps him but if we were to lose him then I'd double up efforts to get Banega.

 

Gaston is another player that could have the knockers eating their own words but we really need a pacy attack to bring the best out of him. Yet another reason why a top class CF is No 1 priority now.

[jasonb]

I think it is an absolute disgrace to be mentioning Ramirez in the same sentence as MLT.

 

MLT was already single-handedly burying the opposition long before he reached Ramirez's age.

 

Talent means nothing if you cannot properly channel it/use it.

 

Not really a disgrace including both those names in a sentence where I am making comparisons and discussing those players. Really now, is it?

 

My point still stands that MLT was also a lazy sod at times too.. I remember groans about him as much as Gaston... Maybe you can't remember them but they did happen. Time has enabled most of us to forget those shocking performances and only remember the match winning 'unbelievable' moments.

 

I'm not knocking arguably our greatest player but the comparison still stands. These players can be divisive as is being proved correct in this thread.

[alpine_saint]

Not really a disgrace including both those names in a sentence where I am making comparisons and discussing those players. Really now, is it?

 

My point still stands that MLT was also a lazy sod at times too.. I remember groans about him as much as Gaston... Maybe you can't remember them but they did happen. Time has enabled most of us to forget those shocking performances and only remember the match winning 'unbelievable' moments.

 

I'm not knocking arguably our greatest player but the comparison still stands. These players can be divisive as is being proved correct in this thread.

 

I replied to your post but the criticism of drawing the comparison wasnt really aimed at you, friend, since you were responding to the person who did.

 

Problem with the argument you've just made is that I dont remember Ramirez winning any matches single-handedly to balance the crappy performances(so far, of course..)

[saintrich]

It would be a mistake to sell Ramirez at this point. He could do with a top class striker in the side to help him flourish.

 

If we sign a striker and his game hasn't improved by the end of next season I would be surprised.

[NickG]

Is this the Schneiderlin thread from a few years ago?

 

I am curious whether a lot of those writing him off haven't seen him play live.

 

You can see the likes of Clyne looking for him as an outlet. His ability is obvious, so unfortunately is his inconsistency.

 

what I don't understand is how people think a transfer fee needs to be justified in one season.

 

Judge fee on : fee paid - fee when leaves.

 

Ox-C went for bigger fee but played less, scored less, assisted less - but fee was for his future.

 

Appreciate Gaston bit older but principal the same.

 

Considering he arrived late, had thigh injury requiring hospital treatment, moved to new country, attacking player in team in relegation pressure, father died?...

 

See how many attacking midfielders of his age scored / assisted as many in premiership?

 

A very good player who I always look forward to watching.

 

Depending on our transfer policy, potentially Ramirez behind Rodriguez could be an exciting future.

[hutch]

Good post.

 

The highlighted bit is what I would like to see this coming season too.

And for one of those highlighted players, we would gladly have paid his taxi fare a year ago if somebody had offered us a million.

 

So let's not get too fixated on today's "consensus opinion", because the only sure thing is that tomorrow's will be completely different.

[Chez]

 

Problem with the argument you've just made is that I dont remember Ramirez winning any matches single-handedly to balance the crappy performances(so far, of course..)

He single handidly won Villa at home

[Viking Warrior]

Alpine did you get beaten up at school a lot by any chance?

 

And you are now seeking revenge by now being a key board warrior You are both pedantic and petty , If fact you are far worse with your constant negative crap.

 

Back to Gaston, I think we will see the real gaston this season. and will be one of our stars this season. I hope so

 

You cannot compare MLT to Gaston different era , different type of football etc etc

[jasonb]

I replied to your post but the criticism of drawing the comparison wasnt really aimed at you, friend, since you were responding to the person who did.

 

Problem with the argument you've just made is that I dont remember Ramirez winning any matches single-handedly to balance the crappy performances(so far, of course..)

 

Can't argue with that!

[Chez]

Is this the Schneiderlin thread from a few years ago?

 

good spot. With some players you can see straight away that they have `it'. Whether they develop is another matter, but why Saints fans want rid of genuine talent before it has been given time to blossom is beyond me.

[JPTCount]

wow, we have some moronic fans

 

he sells for like £25-40m by 2016 in FM

[Saint86]

Fragile mentally and physically. Sell.

 

People who are mentally fragile don't elbow/hit some one in the face when they get there shirt pulled and don't get stuck in and chase around like ramirez does. Ludicrous comment.

 

If you had said he has typical south american temperament then I would have agreed. But you are just slamming a young man in a foreign country to get on the bandwagon and with no real reason!

[St Lej]

You know the answer to that question, so why did you bother with the post ? Its pedantic and petty.

 

Really, the foot-stamping and teeth-grinding in this place when someone dares to say they dont rate Ramirez and dont think it will work out, is a sight to behold.

 

Bizarre post

[Smirking_Saint]

You know the answer to that question, so why did you bother with the post ? Its pedantic and petty.

 

Really, the foot-stamping and teeth-grinding in this place when someone dares to say they dont rate Ramirez and dont think it will work out, is a sight to behold.

 

Not exactly Alps, its crap like this and Posted by Mullet thats truelly a sight to behold. Comparing Ramirez' playing style to that of Morgan and Cork basically shows up the complete lack of knowledge in the anatomy of a football team. Therefore it is an opinion yes but it isnt any more relevant than asking why Boruc hasnt won many headers this year.

 

He certainly has shown me that he is able to put a shift in where his role allows. If he were to be all over the pitch then he would be woefully out of position.

 

But lets not worry about that, lets stick with thr below basics, he doesnt run around as much as Morgan so he must be crap (lol, wasnt long ago that you thought he wasnt worth a w@nk either)

[Mouldy Coat]

No one is doubting his potential/ability, but what is concerning is his inability to last 90 minutes in the PL. forget temporary form, ability, settling in etc. Fitness is the one thing that you can change and should be able to adapt to. He does strike me as being disinterested at times but so did MLT. I would prefer him to stay because I don't see us having time to bring in a replacement. We need another quality creative player as well as the potential Benega if Ramirez goes. I would hold on until January and if it hasn't worked out by then, then at least we would still get a decent fee for him. I want him to turn good, because he has the ability....but does he have the hunger?

[SuperMikey]

No one is doubting his potential/ability, but what is concerning is his inability to last 90 minutes in the PL. forget temporary form, ability, settling in etc. Fitness is the one thing that you can change and should be able to adapt to.

 

True, if you're going to be playing as an Attacking Midfielder you should have the stamina to be able to play at least 90 minutes and change. I remember against QPR away when Gaston was played through on goal with only I think Fabio for company who was about 5 or 6 yards behind him as Gaston had timed his run well. Gaston controlled the ball and was one-on-one just outside the area with the keeper, ran into the box only to be knocked off the ball by the defender who had managed to catch up with him. His legs go after 65 minutes, that shouldn't be happening to a Premier League player in his early 20s!

[mulletsaint]

Not exactly Alps, its crap like this and Posted by Mullet thats truelly a sight to behold. Comparing Ramirez' playing style to that of Morgan and Cork basically shows up the complete lack of knowledge in the anatomy of a football team. Therefore it is an opinion yes but it isnt any more relevant than asking why Boruc hasnt won many headers this year.

 

He certainly has shown me that he is able to put a shift in where his role allows. If he were to be all over the pitch then he would be woefully out of position.

 

But lets not worry about that, lets stick with thr below basics, he doesnt run around as much as Morgan so he must be crap (lol, wasnt long ago that you thought he wasnt worth a w@nk either)

 

Can you please differentiate me from Junior Mullet? I'd hate people to get confused.

[Smirking_Saint]

Can you please differentiate me from Junior Mullet? I'd hate people to get confused.

 

No worries Mullets, ill forever refer to junior as Mullet, if you would kindly recommend what I should call yourself ?

[Jez]

Gaston is, in my opinion, our best player and the one I am most excited about, as a fan, watching this season. I want to watch Saints and see us play exciting football, with some flair in there. I want to see him attempt audacious balls through the middle, or around the back, and then sometimes give possession away, or try to beat a man with some neat trick. Again, he'll fail occasionally but at least he is trying and you know he has that ability in his locker and will only get better. Why people want to give up on him after only one season spent acclimatising I don't know - surely you want to be entertained at St Marys?

Does anyone think he'll have a worse season this year? And if you therefore think he will have a better season, just how good could it be?

 

I would be gutted if we sold him, but would be amazed if we did so.

[MarkSFC]

If Gaston does leave I would be very disheartened because he is class. His inconsistancy that people cite is mainly down to his age. Very few players achieve the high levels consistancy until their mid twenties. It is called development. I also think many are forgetting two other aspects, 1)he is a young kid in a foriegn country, it takes time to settle, and it is well known throughout football that it takes months for even older foriegn players to settle in; and 2) he was injured and out for a few weeks just as he was getting going. This puts many players back, not least younger players.

 

I am very hopeful he stays, andif Benega comes in I think that is just as much about taking a bit of pressure of Gaston as it is strengthening the team. Having those two. Lallana, Puncheon in our team is more than enough "skill factor".

[Leicestersaint]

Ramirez is staying.

[Cabrone]

Sorry if already posted but this link talks about Athletico Madrid after Gaston but him stating that he wants to stay for the longer term at Saints.

 

Link

 

Make of that what you will.

[buctootim]

Sorry if already posted but this link talks about Athletico Madrid after Gaston but him stating that he wants to stay for the longer term at Saints.

 

Link

 

Make of that what you will.

 

If AM really were close to signing him but it fell through because Gaston wanted to stay - it means Saints were happy to sell him.

[Wes Tender]

If AM really were close to signing him but it fell through because Gaston wanted to stay - it means Saints were happy to sell him.

 

No it doesn't. It means that some journo made five out of adding two and two and then attempted to save face by insinuating that it was virtually a done deal until Ramirez said he didn't wish to leave. If that journo had taken the trouble to go back a month or two, he would have realised that Ramirez had made his position clear then and he could have saved himself the embarassment of making himself look like a prat.

[hugh]

If AM really were close to signing him but it fell through because Gaston wanted to stay - it means Saints were happy to sell him.

 

Interesting take on things. I read the same article and took from it that Ramírez wants to stay at Saints. Nowhere did it say that AM had any encouragement from Saints.

[saintroyt]

if you live in the board room then people would know what's going ,all this conjecture is just fabricated without facts why to people bother

[DanW]

Nothing says SFC were happy to sell him - it just says A. Madrid were happy to buy him.