Gaston set for Inter?

[Saint Garrett]

No because we were told on here earlier this summer than Milan are a crap team in decline with no money and wouldn't be attentive as us to a player, remember? If Ramirez leaves us for them its a downward step.

 

Inter Milan....you high ?

[Smirking_Saint]

Inter Milan....you high ?

 

TBF there were some that said due to Inter milans decline one of our signings shouldnt bother going to them.

[scotty]

He's useless at tracking back, appalling at set pieces, frequently gives the ball away needlessly and dives if anyone comes within 5 metres of him. He also makes Guly look enthusiastic.

 

...as I pointed out. Those are things that can be worked on, what do you think of his actual talent?

 

As for his enthusiasm, he looked pretty damn keen when he elbowed ratboy Shane Long in the WBA game. Got himself sent off, I know, but you cant say he wasn't trying.

[Turkish]

Inter Milan....you high ?

 

That's what people on here said a month or so ago. A midtable club in decline with no money and we'd be much more attractive to a player because we are on the up, in the premier league and have money.

[CB Fry]

No because we were told on here earlier this summer than Milan are a crap team in decline with no money and wouldn't be attentive as us to a player, remember? If Ramirez leaves us for them its a downward step.

 

I doubt very much that Inter can match our record of eleven FA Cup semi finals. Deep down Gaston will know this and won't want to leave.

[Smirking_Saint]

I doubt very much that Inter can match our record of eleven FA Cup semi finals. Deep down Gaston will know this and won't want to leave.

 

We won the JPT FFS !!!

[Saint Garrett]

I agree that Inter have had a dreadful season, and there are much more attractive clubs to be at...however I'm not sure we're one of them!

[Pastor Patrón]

...as I pointed out. Those are things that can be worked on, what do you think of his actual talent?

 

As for his enthusiasm, he looked pretty damn keen when he elbowed ratboy Shane Long in the WBA game. Got himself sent off, I know, but you cant say he wasn't trying.

 

He's got skill, not in the same category as someone like Banega but the level level down I'd say. He's completely unsuited the the Premierships style of play though as lots of people said he was when we signed him. Same problem a lot of South Americans have over here.

[Saint Garrett]

He's got skill, not in the same category as someone like Banega but the level level down I'd say. He's completely unsuited the the Premierships style of play though as lots of people said he was when we signed him. Same problem a lot of South Americans have over here.

 

Bit of a generalisation....there have been plenty of successful ones too!

[Turkish]

I doubt very much that Inter can match our record of eleven FA Cup semi finals. Deep down Gaston will know this and won't want to leave.

 

To be fair between the European giants there are 18 Domestic league titles, 7 copa Italias, 3 European cups, 3 UEFA cups, one world club cup, an FA Cup and A Johnstones paint trophy. So he'll simply be swapping guarnteed success in the England for a midtable scrap in Italy at a skint club in decline, the move would make no sense.

[Pastor Patrón]

Bit of a generalisation....there have been plenty of successful ones too!

 

This makes it all the more fortunate that I said "lots" rather then "all".

[Turkish]

He's got skill, not in the same category as someone like Banega but the level level down I'd say. He's completely unsuited the the Premierships style of play though as lots of people said he was when we signed him. Same problem a lot of South Americans have over here.

 

That's the problems with these johnny foreigners, they don't like running around and none of them can handle a cold February night in Stoke. That lack of backbone is the reason why Spain, Brazil, Italy and Argentina have done so badly in world cups. They need to work harder and toughen up. If they had class players like Steven Davis is their side they'd do so much better.

[Pastor Patrón]

That's the problems with these johnny foreigners, they don't like running around and none of them can handle a cold February night in Stoke. That lack of backbone is the reason why Spain, Brazil, Italy and Argentina have done so badly in world cups. They need to work harder and toughen up. If they had class players like Steven Davis is their side they'd do so much better.

 

Cool I'll be sure to keep an eye out next time Saints enter the World Cup.

[mitch01]

5 goals in his opening season isn't too shabby. His performances, however, were below the mark of someone we paid that amount of money for, even taking his age into consideration. That being said, it really wouldn't surprise me if he had a great season next year - he clearly has fantastic technical ability and he just needs to learn how to best apply it in this extremely difficult league. If he's still faltering a year down the line, that would be the time to sell him in my opinion.

[dubai_phil]

The regulars want our money back.

 

On that basis alone it is reason enough to fight to keep him.

[Mr Saints]

He has more end prodoct than Lallana and Puncheon IMO

 

Keep him

[Smirking_Saint]

He's got skill, not in the same category as someone like Banega but the level level down I'd say. He's completely unsuited the the Premierships style of play though as lots of people said he was when we signed him. Same problem a lot of South Americans have over here.

 

Banega is South American too ?! Playing in a league of which the style again is completely different to any we have over here, saying he is a level up from Ramirez I would have to argue aswell as I certainly do not think that at all, especially if we are comparing youtube videos.

 

How exactly is he completely unsuited to our game ?

[Pastor Patrón]

Banega is South American too ?! Playing in a league of which the style again is completely different to any we have over here, saying he is a level up from Ramirez I would have to argue aswell as I certainly do not think that at all, especially if we are comparing youtube videos.

 

How exactly is he completely unsuited to our game ?

 

I didn't say Banega would do well, I said he was more skillful. I have my doubts he would but like Ramirez he'd be easy to flog back to the continent so it's worth a shot.

[Saint_clark]

He's got skill, not in the same category as someone like Banega but the level level down I'd say. He's completely unsuited the the Premierships style of play though as lots of people said he was when we signed him. Same problem a lot of South Americans have over here.

 

Don't understand why people keep saying this as his playing style is very similar to the likes of Cazorla, Hazard and Mata.

[Chez]

hope he stays. Tremendous talent and given enough time could be sensational for us. There are many other players I'd rather departed before him.

[Turkish]

Don't understand why people keep saying this as his playing style is very similar to the likes of Cazorla, Hazard and Mata.

 

Its because people think 'the premier league style' is running around a lot, lots of effort and above all else, passion. They ignore the fact that there are plenty of quality players, such as the ones you mentioned, who don't fit this style already. We need hardworking players who put a shift in, not any of these foreign nancy boys that don't suit the premier league. FFS.

[Pastor Patrón]

Its because people think 'the premier league style' is running around a lot, lots of effort and above all else, passion. They ignore the fact that there are plenty of quality players, such as the ones you mentioned, who don't fit this style already. We need hardworking players who put a shift in, not any of these foreign nancy boys that don't suit the premier league. FFS.

 

Yes, this is why Chris Marsden is held in higher esteem than Le Tissier among Saints fans.

[Smirking_Saint]

Its because people think 'the premier league style' is running around a lot, lots of effort and above all else, passion. They ignore the fact that there are plenty of quality players, such as the ones you mentioned, who don't fit this style already. We need hardworking players who put a shift in, not any of these foreign nancy boys that don't suit the premier league. FFS.

 

Exavtly, which is the reason we deploy the defensive midfielders behind them in order to do the donkey work and allow those infront to play the football they are there to do.

 

Ramirez didnt have a great season, but it certainly wasnt as bad as some on here make out, yes he held onto the ball a bit too long at times and at others made 'the wrong pass' but when I watched closely I was honestly saying to myself 'who has he got to pass to ? Who is making runs ?' The everton game was a prime example of this, and a game that he ran himself do death in (how people say he doesnt work hard is a joke really) he got forward in many a key position but who was there ? Noone, Lambert did his best to waddle up the pitch but even J Rod and Punch were behind him 9/10 times.

 

Do people really want to see the no 10 chasing back to his own box ? Really ? Jesus

[St Marco]

Quality player who had a decent first season. Who has the potential to be world class.

Hope he stays. Will be one of those players we will regret losing I think.

I am surprised Inter are the team going for him though as they are a team very much in a transition phase. Last year they were ****. They are in big time financial trouble due to the new Italian and Uefa rules. They also had to pretty much beg the Inter fans to come watch their games. Italian football sadly is in decline in regards to the league. The stadiums are almost empty. In an 80k stadium they averaged about 50%.

Inter are a huge team but it is going to be sometime before they are the force they once were again.

[Junior Mullet]

FFS he cant play 90 mins for club or country and he covers a fraction of the ground covered by the likes of cork and schneiderlin. Also has a terrible temperament and next year if he's here, you mark my words, opposing playing will be winding up left right and center until he snaps.

 

Not a fan.

[Turkish]

Yes, this is why Chris Marsden is held in higher esteem than Le Tissier among Saints fans.

 

Amougst your gaston bashing I noticed you listed tracking back and lack of enthusiasm as the two essential ingredients he is missing. I rest my case.

Edited 18 July, 2013 by Turkish

[Smirking_Saint]

I didn't say Banega would do well, I said he was more skillful. I have my doubts he would but like Ramirez he'd be easy to flog back to the continent so it's worth a shot.

 

I really dont think he is more skillfull either, different players yes, more skillfull ? No not IMO

 

Please though, why do you feel Gashton (lol) is not suited to the PL ?

[Smirking_Saint]

FFS he cant play 90 mins for club or country and he covers a fraction of the ground covered by the likes of cork and schneiderlin. Also has a terrible temperament and next year if he's here, you mark my words, opposing playing will be winding up left right and center until he snaps.

 

Not a fan.

 

Lol

 

Also, when was the last time Boruc did any running FFS !!! And I never see Lambert tackling in the 6 yard box, get rid

Edited 18 July, 2013 by Smirking_Saint

[Turkish]

Exavtly, which is the reason we deploy the defensive midfielders behind them in order to do the donkey work and allow those infront to play the football they are there to do.

 

Ramirez didnt have a great season, but it certainly wasnt as bad as some on here make out, yes he held onto the ball a bit too long at times and at others made 'the wrong pass' but when I watched closely I was honestly saying to myself 'who has he got to pass to ? Who is making runs ?' The everton game was a prime example of this, and a game that he ran himself do death in (how people say he doesnt work hard is a joke really) he got forward in many a key position but who was there ? Noone, Lambert did his best to waddle up the pitch but even J Rod and Punch were behind him 9/10 times.

 

Do people really want to see the no 10 chasing back to his own box ? Really ? Jesus

 

Exactly, there were numerous occasions during the season when he threaded through excellent balls but no one up front had the pace, movement or intelligence to latch onto them, 3 or 4 of those come up off and he's a creative genius with an eye for a defence splitting pass. Of course don't want that we want a creative attacking midfielder tracking back, working hard and showing passion FFS!!

[Pastor Patrón]

Amougst your gaston bashing I noticed to listed tracking back and lack of enthusiasm as the two essential ingredients he is missing. I rest my case.

 

Well you let me know next time he scores 15+ goals a season to make up for his lack of enthusiasm and work rate and I'll let him off the hook.

[Turkish]

Well you let me know next time he scores 15+ goals a season to make up for his lack of enthusiasm and work rate and I'll let him off the hook.

 

Guly had 8 goals and 9 assists (I think) by Christmas in our championship promotion season yet still was a fans whipping boy because he was a lazy Jonny foreigner who didn't suit the English game and never tracked back, some people don't want to see craft and guile, they want EFFORT, PASSION and WORK RATE!

[Smirking_Saint]

Well you let me know next time he scores 15+ goals a season to make up for his lack of enthusiasm and work rate and I'll let him off the hook.

 

No ? Not gonna explain why you feel he isnt suited to it ? Or is his tackles per game ratio not as high as Mata and Cazorla ?

[Pastor Patrón]

Guly had 8 goals and 9 assists (I think) by Christmas in our championship promotion season yet still was a fans whipping boy because he was a lazy Jonny foreigner who didn't suit the English game and never tracked back, some people don't want to see craft and guile, they want EFFORT, PASSION and WORK RATE!

 

That's great, unfortunately I don't claim to be a spokesman for Saints fans. When Guly was scoring and creating goals I had no problem with him whatsoever, remove the end product from his game though and he's a waste of time, as Le Tissier would've been if he didn't score and get assists.

[Saint Garrett]

Well you let me know next time he scores 15+ goals a season to make up for his lack of enthusiasm and work rate and I'll let him off the hook.

 

When has he ever looked like he's lacked enthusiasm or effort? He's a very hard working player if you actually watch him, it's just taken him a bit longer than we wanted for him to get settled.

 

Hopefully he can find his feet this year.

 

And also, he's a midfielder, he's not a striker. Between 5-10 from each of the '3' behind the striker and ill be happy,

[Smirking_Saint]

When has he ever looked like he's lacked enthusiasm or effort? He's a very hard working player if you actually watch him, it's just taken him a bit longer than we wanted for him to get settled.

 

Hopefully he can find his feet this year.

 

And also, he's a midfielder, he's not a striker. Between 5-10 from each of the '3' behind the striker and ill be happy,

 

He got 5 goals and 3 assists, putting that into perspective thr guy we should replace him with got 4 goals and 4 assists despite being a level above him and playing behind a player of Soldados talent

 

He doesnt suit the english game, we dont actually know why but one assumes its because he doesnt play rush goalie very well

[Pastor Patrón]

No ? Not gonna explain why you feel he isnt suited to it ? Or is his tackles per game ratio not as high as Mata and Cazorla ?

 

No as I don't care enough about this issue to sit talking about it in detail for another twenty minutes. If you want to chalk that one up as a point for yourself to soothe your pedantry feel free.

[Turkish]

He got 5 goals and 3 assists, putting that into perspective thr guy we should replace him with got 4 goals and 4 assists despite being a level above him and playing behind a player of Soldados talent

 

He doesnt suit the english game, we dont actually know why but one assumes its because he doesnt play rush goalie very well

 

He doesn't track back FFS.

[Turkish]

That's great, unfortunately I don't claim to be a spokesman for Saints fans. When Guly was scoring and creating goals I had no problem with him whatsoever, remove the end product from his game though and he's a waste of time, as Le Tissier would've been if he didn't score and get assists.

 

S you want to see our attacking players back in their own area, tracking back, tackling and working hard, not in areas they can hurt the opposition, yes?

[Smirking_Saint]

No as I don't care enough about this issue to sit talking about it in detail for another twenty minutes. If you want to chalk that one up as a point for yourself to soothe your pedantry feel free.

 

Its not really pedantry as Im not picking you up on trivial things, Im picking you up on the fact you think Ramirez is a flop as he doesnt suit the english game without actually giving a reason ? The only thing I can think of is he doesnt run around like a headless chicken and thus be out of position ?

 

So Ill just take it as another one of those posts berating players because thats just what some of us do

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Physically and mentally fragile? Falls over constantly? This clearly isn't true.

 

He clearly isn't the finished article, and considering what type of player he is (south American 'flair' player) he is actually surprisingly resilient and resolute. Seeing the kicking he got away at Fulham, and his willingness to push forward and attempt to make things happen on Boxing Day in the driving rain shows how flimsy this criticism is.

 

He is undoubtedly one of, if not the most technically gifted players in our squad.

 

Those who slate him for constantly giving the ball away show a pretty big lack of understanding of the role he plays. Playing in the '3' off the striker, his job is to try that killer ball to unlock the defence. So yeah, he may give the ball away more than someone like Morgan, whose job is to nick the ball and move it to a nearby available attacker giving a greater passing percentage - but, whilst important, this is not as likely to unlock a defence a create chances.

 

Whether or not him and Sir Lambo are a great fit is debatable. Did he have a great first season, no not really. Does this mean at 22 he should be written off? Despite countless other foreign big money players that have come to the prem and taken a season to adjust?

 

I'd love to know how many of them wanting him sold, or questioning him would be the same ones that called Morgan a waste after his first season.

 

Yes he hasn't set the world alight, but it must also say something that his 'linked moves' include Arsenal, Fiorentina & Inter Milan.

 

That's what people on here said a month or so ago. A midtable club in decline with no money and we'd be much more attractive to a player because we are on the up, in the premier league and have money.

 

By people, is this your standard, one person alluded to it, so I'm gonna act like this is everyone's opinion and I'm going to act like the 'mboard' hard man and argue with myself lark?

Edited 18 July, 2013 by KelvinsRightGlove

[Pastor Patrón]

Its not really pedantry as Im not picking you up on trivial things, Im picking you up on the fact you think Ramirez is a flop as he doesnt suit the english game without actually giving a reason ? The only thing I can think of is he doesnt run around like a headless chicken and thus be out of position ?

 

So Ill just take it as another one of those posts berating players because thats just what some of us do

 

You can take it as being the result of a cat running across my keyboard if you like, it's not interesting enough to discuss to that length really.

[Sour Mash]

Anyone know when he is due to meet up with the rest of the squad in Spain?

[Saint Garrett]

This weekend I think mate.

[Sour Mash]

This weekend I think mate.

Cheers. Assume he won't be involved until the Besiktas game at the very earliest.

[itchen]

Glad I only clicked on the last page of this thread. I thought it might be real news but it turns out it's just the usual bores being boring. Still,I suppose they enjoy it. Bless.

[Wiggles31]

If we sell Gaston I would be hugely underwhelmed.

[sotonjoe]

It's the same people saying Gaston isn't good enough as the ones saying Chaplow and Sharp could have done a job. Go figure. X

[St_Tel49]

FFS he cant play 90 mins for club or country and he covers a fraction of the ground covered by the likes of cork and schneiderlin. Also has a terrible temperament and next year if he's here, you mark my words, opposing playing will be winding up left right and center until he snaps.

 

Not a fan.

An unfair comparison - MS and JC together probably covered more miles than any other pair of midfielders in Europe. For my money he has a lot of skill and I think that we will see a more effective player this season.

[ericofarabia]

Glad I only clicked on the last page of this thread. I thought it might be real news but it turns out it's just the usual bores being boring. Still,I suppose they enjoy it. Bless.

 

LOL .... did the same and barely made it this far!!

 

FWIW I hope he stays, we haven't seen the best of him by far, and in y mind is an important part of the squad and offers an extra diension to what we have.

[St_Tel49]

FFS he cant play 90 mins for club or country and he covers a fraction of the ground covered by the likes of cork and schneiderlin. Also has a terrible temperament and next year if he's here, you mark my words, opposing playing will be winding up left right and center until he snaps.

 

Not a fan.

An unfair comparison - MS and JC together probably covered more miles than any other pair of midfielders in Europe. For my money he has a lot of skill and I think that we will see a more effective player this season.