Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 dont you just love our left wing dictatorship.. Britons are forbidden from disturbing packs of eggs and from selling game killed on a Sunday, it was revealed by an opposition MP who condemned ministers for introducing ridiculous laws. The day after Prime Minister Gordon Brown's government laid out its legislative agenda for the coming year, Liberal Democrat MP Chris Huhne noted the stream of sometimes "completely bizarre" new offences it had created. Since the Labour party took power in 1997 under then prime minister Tony Blair, it has created 3,600 new criminal offences, Huhne said -- adding this was "massively complicating" the job of police and the criminal justice system. "Some of these offences are completely bizarre -- for example, the offence of causing a nuclear explosion," he told members of parliament (MPs) on Thursday. "The idea that anyone might cause a nuclear explosion without killing anybody, and therefore being subject to a possible charge of murder, is extremely far-fetched." Other new offences include "wilfully pretending to be a barrister", "disturbing a pack of eggs when instructed not to by an authorised officer" and "offering for sale a game bird killed on a Sunday or Christmas day", he said. Huhne accused the government of doing nothing to repeal these laws. Justice Secretary Jack Straw asked for a full list of the ones the MP wanted removed from the statute books so that he could review them. and it will only get worse.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 You arn't allowed to kill anything on a sunday unless it is vermin, it is a very old law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 "disturbing a pack of eggs when instructed not to by an authorised officer". I don't see what's wrong with this legislation but perhpas i'm thinking more of protected species eggs (already presumably covered by law) from being collected by oddball egg collectors. That said if those black and white wagtail looking things (**** me my brains gone blank on what they're called) that build nests under your gutters did so at my house i'd be very tempted to lean out the window with a broom before they laid eggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 So, delldays: On one hand you want pointless laws and legislation repealed, because it is silly and it means the government is too big and has too much control over us. On the other hand you want the government to have all our DNA, fingerprints and I think I am right in saying you support ID Cards too. Just a touch hypocritical in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 So, delldays: On one hand you want pointless laws and legislation repealed, because it is silly and it means the government is too big and has too much control over us. On the other hand you want the government to have all our DNA, fingerprints and I think I am right in saying you support ID Cards too. Just a touch hypocritical in my book. Bungle, without being rude, are you special needs ? Two completely separate issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 Bungle, without being rude, are you special needs ? Two completely separate issues They are not, and sadly it is you who has issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 In the same vein, it's moaning about state intervention and then moaning because 'the state' hasn't intervened in cases of child neglect. Or moaning about state intervention and then moaning because the government isn't forcing the banks to lower their interest rates. Sometimes we just have to understand that government intervention and regulation is for the greater good. Not always, but democracy means we can vote them out if we don't like what they're doing. And if we really don't like what they're doing, we could get off our lardy arses and agitate for change. And some of us do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 5 December, 2008 they are not the same are they bungle...come on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 5 December, 2008 , but democracy means we can vote them out if we don't like what they're doing. and im pretty confident nu labour will be gone at the next election.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 and im pretty confident nu labour will be gone at the next election.. With a bit of luck we'll have a genuine Labour party in its place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsk II Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 Delldays, it's simply false to describe the government as Left wing. Saying it's a left wing dictatorship is ill-informed and sensationalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 5 December, 2008 Delldays, it's simply false to describe the government as Left wing. Saying it's a left wing dictatorship is ill-informed and sensationalist. thanks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 5 December, 2008 With a bit of luck we'll have a genuine Labour party in its place you know that is highly unlikely...it will be conservative..whether that is good or not remains to be seen..but the country will want change i can see parties like UKIP and BNP getting more and more votes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilko Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 They are not, and sadly it is you who has issues. bungle is right. You either believe in state intervention in people's lives, or not. ID cards and the DNA database are a gross infringement upon our human rights and a massive waste of money. They must be stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 5 December, 2008 bungle is right. You either believe in state intervention in people's lives, or not. ID cards and the DNA database are a gross infringement upon our human rights and a massive waste of money. They must be stopped. it is not all or nothing...there is something called a little in between Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 Bungle, without being rude, are you special needs ? Two completely separate issues I don't often get on with bungle, but I'm going to give it a go here: Gemmel, are you a complete ****tard? Bungle was highlighting TDD dislike for silly laws but on the other hand, TDD is in support of I.D cards etc, seen by many as a very very very silly and dangerous proposal by this 'left' wing government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 it is not all or nothing...there is something called a little in between Can you give us a legitimate example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 5 December, 2008 I don't often get on with bungle, but I'm going to give it a go here: Gemmel, are you a complete ****tard? Bungle was highlighting TDD dislike for silly laws but on the other hand, TDD is in support of I.D cards etc, seen by many as a very very very silly and dangerous proposal by this 'left' wing government. ahhhh...the usual assumptions etc please point out where i have supported ID cards.. many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 ahhhh...the usual assumptions etc please point out where i have supported ID cards.. many thanks Not opposed then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 5 December, 2008 Not opposed then. not opposed or for it....same as the DNA database... same as the 42 day thing... will look into its benefits and what harm it could do before I cry that my human rights ae being ruined... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 bloody commies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 you know that is highly unlikely...it will be conservative..whether that is good or not remains to be seen..but the country will want change i can see parties like UKIP and BNP getting more and more votes The difference will be neglible I imagine, economy apart. The only difference is that, had the conservatives been today's government, the recession would, in all probability, be longer and deeper than otherwise because of their refusal to recognise that we live in a world where global issues need global solutions. In contrast to the leaders of all the other 'developed' economies they choose to adopt a 'wait and see' attitude and to let the recession 'run its course'. I think this is called having a head in the sand approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 5 December, 2008 well...before you say other countries have their heads in the sand...lets see how bad we go into the mire compared to others first.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 I think some others are actually far worse than us: http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7767326.stm http://zfacts.com/p/318.html The US national debt is 60-79% of Gross Domestic Product The Russian equivalent is 6% Here's how things are in Europe: Things could hardly be more different in Britain, where a decade of almost uninterrupted growth has come to a grinding halt. But the $1.2 trillion debt is still less than half of GDP. The other three European members of the G8 are in even worse shape. They all owe more than half their GDP. Italy, with the lowest GDP of the three, has the highest debt according to the Guardian, at $2.19 trillion. Next is Germany with $2.07 trillion, followed by France at $1.63 trillion. This information is the most up-to-date I can find, dated 15 November this year. The full version can be seen at: http://en.rian.ru/business/20081115/118335408.html Will you bother to read it, I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amsterdam Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 There's a very good simulation called "NationStates" where YOU decide the legislation - and you see the consequence of your actions. Have a go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 Labour Left Wing? LOL You will be calling them Socialists next :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 Delldays, it's simply false to describe the government as Left wing. Saying it's a left wing dictatorship is ill-informed and sensationalist. Beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 On a slight tangent, TV censorship seems to be getting a bit Nazi these days. I was watching The Simpsons earlier and they're edited out Marge calling Lennie and Carl perverts. I can't see how anyone could possibly have thought that inappropriate. Someone somewhere is a retard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 On a slight tangent, TV censorship seems to be getting a bit Nazi these days. I was watching The Simpsons earlier and they're edited out Marge calling Lennie and Carl perverts. I can't see how anyone could possibly have thought that inappropriate. Someone somewhere is a retard. Plenty of those around and some might say they post on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 it is not all or nothing...there is something called a little in between Is that why your having trouble with the missus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 Is that why your having trouble with the missus? Tiggs, I'd have expected better from you. Luckily there's nobody about so you'll probably get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsk II Posted 5 December, 2008 Share Posted 5 December, 2008 tee hee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 6 December, 2008 Share Posted 6 December, 2008 In the same vein, it's moaning about state intervention and then moaning because 'the state' hasn't intervened in cases of child neglect. Or moaning about state intervention and then moaning because the government isn't forcing the banks to lower their interest rates. Sometimes we just have to understand that government intervention and regulation is for the greater good. Not always, but democracy means we can vote them out if we don't like what they're doing. And if we really don't like what they're doing, we could get off our lardy arses and agitate for change. And some of us do I just want to say that I should get my lardy[?] arse off this seat and go to bed. It's easily late [oops, early] enough. But having read such a brilliant and concisely written post, I just wanted to say what a brilliant and concisely written post the above is, which I absolutely 100% agree with, and now I am going to take my sorry lardy[?] arse off to bed. Goodnight... err morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsk II Posted 6 December, 2008 Share Posted 6 December, 2008 Couple of drinks last night, St L? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 6 December, 2008 Share Posted 6 December, 2008 The difference will be neglible I imagine, economy apart. The only difference is that, had the conservatives been today's government, the recession would, in all probability, be longer and deeper than otherwise because of their refusal to recognise that we live in a world where global issues need global solutions. In contrast to the leaders of all the other 'developed' economies they choose to adopt a 'wait and see' attitude and to let the recession 'run its course'. I think this is called having a head in the sand approach. It's amazing how some posters were slagged off for showing support to the BNP, and yet bints like you openly support Labour - just as offensive IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 6 December, 2008 Share Posted 6 December, 2008 It's amazing how some posters were slagged off for showing support to the BNP, and yet bints like you openly support Labour - just as offensive IMO However there are major differences. 1. I'm open about my membership of the Labour Party. I don't hide on a database and then panic if my political loyalties are exposed. 2. I'm not racist. HTH Oh and BTW - I'm a woman, not a bint. You, however, are well described by your username. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 6 December, 2008 However there are major differences. 1. I'm open about my membership of the Labour Party. I don't hide on a database and then panic if my political loyalties are exposed. 2. I'm not racist. HTH Oh and BTW - I'm a woman, not a bint. You, however, are well described by your username. to be fair....they panic due to the hysteria OTHERS have...and believe it or not...many many in the BNP are not racists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 6 December, 2008 Share Posted 6 December, 2008 However there are major differences. 1. I'm open about my membership of the Labour Party. I don't hide on a database and then panic if my political loyalties are exposed. 2. I'm not racist. HTH Oh and BTW - I'm a woman, not a bint. You, however, are well described by your username. When have I ever been blatantly racist? I think Labour are tossers, that doesn't make Labour voters tossers I stand by my original statement, you are a bint - I suppose that means I hate women? HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 6 December, 2008 Share Posted 6 December, 2008 When have I ever been blatantly racist? I think Labour are tossers, that doesn't make Labour voters tossers I stand by my original statement, you are a bint - I suppose that means I hate women? HTH Oh dear You were comparing membership of the Labour Party to membership of the BNP. I was quite simply and obviously pointing out that membership of the BNP implies empathy with racist views. I wasn't talking about you. If it's any consolation to you, I actually expressed my discomfort at the implication that some BNP members might lose their jobs because of their political affiliations. However, I doubt that the BNP, if ever elected (god forbid), would be so tolerant. They would surely proscribe membership of left leaning parties. And for your further education, 'bint', although derived from the arabic word for daughter, is, in this country, a slang word likely to cause offence. "Naive female, often perceived as stupid". I don't think that description applies to me, quite frankly. You see, the difference between the liberal left and the rabid right is that the LL tries hard not to cause offence. The opposite is often the case with the RR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 6 December, 2008 Share Posted 6 December, 2008 (edited) Couple of drinks last night, St L? No. Thinking about writing an article, or set of articles about the dream teams we're voting for on the main forum. That and fixing a computer. And having a few drinks. Oh btw, folks. Let's cut the insults out. Ta. Edited 6 December, 2008 by St Landrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mao Cap Posted 8 December, 2008 Share Posted 8 December, 2008 So in a nutshell - petty, bullying authoritarianism is a bad thing, but the legislative framework which makes that same petty, bullying authoritarianism much easier to execute is all good? I C... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 8 December, 2008 Share Posted 8 December, 2008 Were "Nu (sic) Labour" in power in 1831 then Deldays? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Act_1831 As well as adhering to the seasons, game may not be taken on Sundays or Christmas Day. What New Labour actually did (in 2007) was to change the law to state that there were no "season" for certain game anymore; but kept the 170 year old rule about Sundays and Christmas Day. They also added a new clause saying that it was illegal to purchase game that was killed "illegally" (ergo, on a Sunday or Christmas Day), which is no more than just a protection to the previous law. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/3300337/Game-licences-abolished.html Read that, it actually states that the Government we backed up the pro and anti-hunting groups in the views on Sunday shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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