SuperSAINT Posted 20 February, 2018 Share Posted 20 February, 2018 https://southamptonfc.com/news/2018-02-20/simon-kozak-first-professional-contract-announcement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 1 March, 2018 Share Posted 1 March, 2018 https://southamptonfc.com/news/2017-07-14/jake-flannigan-southampton-pre-season-austria-contract - Jake Flannigan has signed a six month deal, been given the chance to prove himself after recovering from back to back ACL injuries. As the 6 months are up does anyone know if he is staying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 1 March, 2018 Share Posted 1 March, 2018 As the 6 months are up does anyone know if he is staying? Didn't he get another bad injury? Poor lad had a horrendous run of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globetrotter Posted 2 March, 2018 Share Posted 2 March, 2018 As the 6 months are up does anyone know if he is staying?Looks like following the injury he got after signing it, he is at the very least still training with the club... Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 March, 2018 Share Posted 8 March, 2018 I'd be surprised to see Pied go tbh, though maybe we've got plans for Valery, or think Stephens can cover RB as well... also I'd be quite surprised to see Ben Cull released following his illness, but I've got no idea how he's been doing since he got the all-clear, so might be wishful thinking on my part. Always amused by these threads when people say who they want to release without any consideration of existing contract duration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 8 March, 2018 Share Posted 8 March, 2018 I'd be surprised to see Pied go tbh, though maybe we've got plans for Valery, or think Stephens can cover RB as well... also I'd be quite surprised to see Ben Cull released following his illness, but I've got no idea how he's been doing since he got the all-clear, so might be wishful thinking on my part. Always amused by these threads when people say who they want to release without any consideration of existing contract duration. It's tradition for Saints to get relegated and hold a lottery for who plays at right-back in the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 13 March, 2018 Share Posted 13 March, 2018 https://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/international-defender-southampton-formerly-chelsea-1333679 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 March, 2018 Share Posted 16 March, 2018 http://www.nwemail.co.uk/sport/barrow-afc/article/Southampton-loanee-Cook-playing-for-his-future-at-Barrow-AFC-c7a47de8-7a03-47e7-aebf-8b4bc196e870-ds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over land and sea Posted 14 April, 2018 Author Share Posted 14 April, 2018 While relegation is not confirmed, it is now much more likely than not. On past performance we will prioritise cutting costs over what we need next season (though actually I think this overlaps in many cases). I'd expect us to release most if not all of the 20 players who will be out of contract, namely: Jack Rose Stuart Taylor Kingsley Latham Jérémy Pied Richard Bakary Harrison Davis Alfie Jones Florin Gardoș Aaron O'Driscoll Oliver Gardner Ollie Cook Will Wood Ben Cull Jake Flannigan Thomas O'Connor Javen Siu Armani Little Tyreke Johnson Olufela Olomola Dan N'Lundulu Jonathan Afolabi Few of these have challenged the first team and I think we'd have offered terms by now if we wanted to keep them. I'd expect Alfie Jones to be offered a deal but he will get offered something better elsewhere. I think Pied could do a job in the Championship but I expect us to seek a cheaper option. We may keep one of the keepers as back up. I'd expect us to try to cash in on first team players that: - are too expensive to keep or - are too good for the Championship/think they are too good for the Championship namely: Fraser Forster Cédric Soares Wesley Hoedt Matt Targett Ryan Bertrand Oriol Romeu Mario Lemina James Ward-Prowse Dušan Tadić Sofiane Boufal Guido Carrillo Manolo Gabbiadini (There may also be some interest in the likes of McQueen, Long and Sims which I'm sure we'd concede if the money was right.) Of course, we will find it difficult to shift some of these, particularly as we will try to hold out for unrealistic prices (which in some cases would leave us with overpaid and unmotivated players). Ideally we would try to keep the likes of Romeu, JWP and Targett but I think that is unlikely. If we did manage to sell the players above that would leave a first team squad of Alex McCarthy Harry Lewis Yan Valery Jan Bednarek Jack Stephens Maya Yoshida Sam McQueen Jake Vokins Jordy Classie Pierre Højbjerg Steven Davis Harrison Reed Callum Slattery Josh Sims Jake Hesketh Nathan Redmond Shane Long Charlie Austin Sam Gallagher Ryan Seager Michael Obafemi Marcus Barnes Backed up with Development Squad (excluding scholars) Adam Parkes Alex Cull Kieran Freeman Christoph Klarer Jamie Bradley-Green Ben Rowthorn Harry Hamblin Will Smallbone Nathan Tella Harlem Hale Siph Mdlalose If we were to reinvest the money we do get (which will, of course, be nowhere near what we paid in most cases) on proven Championship quality players (particularly to strengthen the defence) and add a manager who knows what is needed, we ought to be able to compete at that level rather than be in for another relegation scrap. We would need to make a number of high quality signings (which we have not made for a long time) in order to make the team a promotion seeking one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkoksaint Posted 14 April, 2018 Share Posted 14 April, 2018 I wonder how many people at the club will lose their jobs as well. People who don’t earn a great deal but will have their families futures potentially affected by the half wit players who over the course of a season couldn’t be arsed to put a shift in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmonton Saint Posted 14 April, 2018 Share Posted 14 April, 2018 Why we rewarded that useless lump Forster with a new long term improved contract when he was already waning shows once again the total ineptitude that is running through the club these days. The roads all lead to one man. Les Reed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 14 April, 2018 Share Posted 14 April, 2018 Why we rewarded that useless lump Forster with a new long term improved contract when he was already waning shows once again the total ineptitude that is running through the club these days. The roads all lead to one man. Les Reed. It's worse than that. A new 5 year contract a year after he'd signed a new 5 year contract. Bemused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 14 April, 2018 Share Posted 14 April, 2018 It's worse than that. A new 5 year contract a year after he'd signed a new 5 year contract. Bemused. That was a real head-scratcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 14 April, 2018 Share Posted 14 April, 2018 That was a real head-scratcher. Leslie was obviously hoping bids would be coming in for him and Jwp etc ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 14 April, 2018 Share Posted 14 April, 2018 Leslie was obviously hoping bids would be coming in for him and Jwp etc ! If JWP was made available for transfer, plenty of premier league clubs would be in for him. Forster - not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harriesss Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 While relegation is not confirmed, it is now much more likely than not. On past performance we will prioritise cutting costs over what we need next season (though actually I think this overlaps in many cases). I'd expect us to release most if not all of the 20 players who will be out of contract, namely: Jack Rose Stuart Taylor Kingsley Latham Jérémy Pied Richard Bakary Harrison Davis Alfie Jones Florin Gardoș Aaron O'Driscoll Oliver Gardner Ollie Cook Will Wood Ben Cull Jake Flannigan Thomas O'Connor Javen Siu Armani Little Tyreke Johnson Olufela Olomola Dan N'Lundulu Jonathan Afolabi Few of these have challenged the first team and I think we'd have offered terms by now if we wanted to keep them. I'd expect Alfie Jones to be offered a deal but he will get offered something better elsewhere. I think Pied could do a job in the Championship but I expect us to seek a cheaper option. We may keep one of the keepers as back up. I'd expect us to try to cash in on first team players that: - are too expensive to keep or - are too good for the Championship/think they are too good for the Championship namely: Fraser Forster Cédric Soares Wesley Hoedt Matt Targett Ryan Bertrand Oriol Romeu Mario Lemina James Ward-Prowse Dušan Tadić Sofiane Boufal Guido Carrillo Manolo Gabbiadini (There may also be some interest in the likes of McQueen, Long and Sims which I'm sure we'd concede if the money was right.) Of course, we will find it difficult to shift some of these, particularly as we will try to hold out for unrealistic prices (which in some cases would leave us with overpaid and unmotivated players). Ideally we would try to keep the likes of Romeu, JWP and Targett but I think that is unlikely. If we did manage to sell the players above that would leave a first team squad of Alex McCarthy Harry Lewis Yan Valery Jan Bednarek Jack Stephens Maya Yoshida Sam McQueen Jake Vokins Jordy Classie Pierre Højbjerg Steven Davis Harrison Reed Callum Slattery Josh Sims Jake Hesketh Nathan Redmond Shane Long Charlie Austin Sam Gallagher Ryan Seager Michael Obafemi Marcus Barnes Backed up with Development Squad (excluding scholars) Adam Parkes Alex Cull Kieran Freeman Christoph Klarer Jamie Bradley-Green Ben Rowthorn Harry Hamblin Will Smallbone Nathan Tella Harlem Hale Siph Mdlalose If we were to reinvest the money we do get (which will, of course, be nowhere near what we paid in most cases) on proven Championship quality players (particularly to strengthen the defence) and add a manager who knows what is needed, we ought to be able to compete at that level rather than be in for another relegation scrap. We would need to make a number of high quality signings (which we have not made for a long time) in order to make the team a promotion seeking one. Think a lot more will leave, mainly on loan, due to the ridiculous wages we pay and none of our players having relegation wage drops in their contracts. Relegation will be disastrous. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 When his time at Burnley is done maybe we can get Jack Cork back. Just the sort of player we need to steady us in the Championship and around whom we can rebuild. Would make a good captain as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 Think a lot more will leave, mainly on loan, due to the ridiculous wages we pay and none of our players having relegation wage drops in their contracts. Relegation will be disastrous. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Do you have any evidence that none of our players have relegation wage cut clauses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harriesss Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 Do you have any evidence that none of our players have relegation wage cut clauses? No proof but when the majority of the deals were signed our stated ambition was champions league, not avoiding relegation, so relegation wage cuts and release clauses would be unlikely to be included Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 No proof but when the majority of the deals were signed our stated ambition was champions league, not avoiding relegation, so relegation wage cuts and release clauses would be unlikely to be included Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I still can't see that. A wage cut in the event of relegation doesn't harm the player, he'd be off if we got relegated anyway. For clubs of our size relegation is always a possibility, so it would have to be complete ****-poor management at the top if they've allowed the contracts to get to that level. I wouldn't put it past them....but I still think it's unlikley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 I still can't see that. A wage cut in the event of relegation doesn't harm the player, he'd be off if we got relegated anyway. For clubs of our size relegation is always a possibility, so it would have to be complete ****-poor management at the top if they've allowed the contracts to get to that level. I wouldn't put it past them....but I still think it's unlikley. This is Les Reed we are talking about ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 This is Les Reed we are talking about !The man brought in by Cortese who always played hardball when it came to finances, pretty sure relegation wage cuts would be a red line in our negotiations. Sent from my SM-J330FN using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 If we do go down, and the owner decides he is best off trying to clear the £200m he borrowed, I wonder how close he could get to that, while still leaving the club as a viable entity, ie with a lower end Championship playing budget ? Presumably there is some of the VVD money left. Several recent signings will be hard to make much money on, over and above the outstanding transfer payments, and the balance of player contracts we may have to fulfill if they get worse deals elsewhere. We'd make decent money on a few where there is little outstanding transfer fee : Bertrand, Cedric, Romeu, JWP, Tadic,Yoshida, possibly Stephens and Sims. There are also parachute payments to take into consideration. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 I still can't see that. A wage cut in the event of relegation doesn't harm the player, he'd be off if we got relegated anyway. For clubs of our size relegation is always a possibility, so it would have to be complete ****-poor management at the top if they've allowed the contracts to get to that level. I wouldn't put it past them....but I still think it's unlikley. Wouldn't surprise me if we don't have clauses. Think how arrogant we come across in club-fed spin articles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 Wouldn't surprise me if we don't have clauses. Think how arrogant we come across in club-fed spin articles. I have been told by a close contact of one of our first team squad (not subject to a transfer in btw) that his contract allows for a 50% wage reduction on relegation. Hopefully this is correct and covers all players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 16 April, 2018 Share Posted 16 April, 2018 I have been told by a close contact of one of our first team squad (not subject to a transfer in btw) that his contract allows for a 50% wage reduction on relegation. Hopefully this is correct and covers all players. I would be amazed if all the players didn't have wage cut clauses. The accountants and lawyers the club employs would insist on them and as mentioned above, the players (and their agents) will be happy to agree to them as if we go down, they will get a move. It also help with their negotiation, they are seen to be giving something up [wage cut clause], so can push for something back in return [image rights % or whatever]. Another point to note, pretty sure Les Reed is not hand-drafting all of these contracts page by page. He may lead negotiations, but it is likely our lawyer to the player's lawyer (via agency) who will run the minutiae. So points about him being negligent enough to not include clauses etc are a touch nonsensical. Having said that, we will still not be able to afford many of our squad in champo, even with parachutes (as I don't expect us to run at a major loss) so we will still need to ship out a fair few. It should make it easier for us to get rid of players though, as most prem / foreign clubs should be able to better their current contracts (i.e. give them more than 50% of their current wage). I think the perception of our players outside of the club is that we have a lot of talent here. This is likely why Pellegrino's poor performance was not highlighted more regularly in mainstream media, everyone assumed we have a load of good players and would be fine. As such, I think there will be a lot more interest in our players than many on this forum suspect. Poor performance this season will likely be (rightly or wrongly) attributed to poor management from Pell etc. I think our biggest issue will be sorting out the management swiftly. If we appoint quickly (and someone good) they will have time to look at the squad, decide who if any they want to try and keep (Austin?) and balance their wage bill accordingly. We will have a decent chance to go back up in first or 2nd season, but we have to get things right. Otherwise, I could see us remaining in champo for quite some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 Looking at the contracts, giving McCarthy a new contract must be a priority. He certainly deserves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disconnect Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 Looks like Olufela Olomola has been released, so expect to hear news of others soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 Looking at the contracts, giving McCarthy a new contract must be a priority. He certainly deserves it. Couldn't agree more. He is currently what the Americans call our MVP. We can't afford to let him go, he's been sensational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 Looks like Olufela Olomola has been released, so expect to hear news of others soon. Disappointed to hear that. Don't like giving our corn seed away free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 15 May, 2018 Share Posted 15 May, 2018 Aldeweirald and Rose want out of Spurs, so good combo for us. Boufal off according to Mail and French sources following comments he made on French TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 15 May, 2018 Share Posted 15 May, 2018 Looks like Olufela Olomola has been released, so expect to hear news of others soon. I've watched him a lot this season and it does not surprise me at all.Sadly, not very imaginative and extremely one dimensional. Like a poor man's Charlie Austin, can't hold the ball and always in the wrong place at the wrong time. League 2 player at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 15 May, 2018 Share Posted 15 May, 2018 Aldeweirald and Rose want out of Spurs, so good combo for us. Boufal off according to Mail and French sources following comments he made on French TV What are you on, charlie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 15 May, 2018 Share Posted 15 May, 2018 I've watched him a lot this season and it does not surprise me at all.Sadly, not very imaginative and extremely one dimensional. Like a poor man's Charlie Austin, can't hold the ball and always in the wrong place at the wrong time. League 2 player at best. Should have moved to Yeovil on a permanent deal in January. He would have got a move to a higher level soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 15 May, 2018 Share Posted 15 May, 2018 Alderweirald might be a good fit but can't see him wanting to come back here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 15 May, 2018 Share Posted 15 May, 2018 Alderweirald might be a good fit but can't see him wanting to come back here. His name shouldn't even be mentioned on here it's such a ridiculous notion. I always think Saints fans are a fairly realistic bunch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 May, 2018 Share Posted 15 May, 2018 Aldeweirald and Rose want out of Spurs, so good combo for us. If this is a serious suggestion then... wow just wow! Alderweireld wants to leave Spurs because they don't pay him enough. If he leaves it'll be to a Champions League team for wages of £180,000+ p/w. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 15 May, 2018 Share Posted 15 May, 2018 (edited) Should have moved to Yeovil on a permanent deal in January. He would have got a move to a higher level soon enough. Yeovil wanted him to stay, he wanted to stay with them. Saints wanted him back to assess him. Looks like assessment is over and I expect Yeovil will announce him very soon. Edited 15 May, 2018 by the saint in winchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 15 May, 2018 Share Posted 15 May, 2018 It looks like Neymar is set to leave PSG, he’d be a good fit. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkonOkereke Posted 15 May, 2018 Share Posted 15 May, 2018 It looks like Neymar is set to leave PSG, he’d be a good fit. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Some fans would rather have Redmond or Long. This Neymar bloke don't put in a shift like Longy, even thou he has missed 100 one on ones and been offside more times than Papa Waigo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 15 May, 2018 Share Posted 15 May, 2018 (edited) @SouthamptonFC: #SaintsFC is pleased to announce that teenage midfielder Kornelius Hansen has signed his first professional contract with the club! https://southamptonfc.com/news/2018-05-15/kornelius-hansen-contract-announcement-southampton-1718 Edited 15 May, 2018 by SuperSAINT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 15 May, 2018 Share Posted 15 May, 2018 @SouthamptonFC: #SaintsFC is pleased to announce that teenage midfielder Kornelius Hansen has signed his first professional contract with the club! https://southamptonfc.com/news/2018-05-15/kornelius-hansen-contract-announcement-southampton-1718 Cool name, he’ll do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintStinger Posted 16 May, 2018 Share Posted 16 May, 2018 Yeovil wanted him to stay, he wanted to stay with them. Saints wanted him back to assess him. Looks like assessment is over and I expect Yeovil will announce him very soon. He didn't want to stay at Yeovil, instead opting to come back to Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire Saint Posted 16 May, 2018 Share Posted 16 May, 2018 Surprisingly Alfie Jones is now out of contract. I thought that he was the next bright young thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over land and sea Posted 16 May, 2018 Author Share Posted 16 May, 2018 I updated the OP earlier this morning to reflect Hansen’s contract. I’ll do a bigger update when the released and retained lists are announced. The Premier League deadline for submitting these lists is the third Saturday in May so there should be an announcement on or before this Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 May, 2018 Share Posted 16 May, 2018 I updated the OP earlier this morning to reflect Hansen’s contract. I’ll do a bigger update when the released and retained lists are announced. The Premier League deadline for submitting these lists is the third Saturday in May so there should be an announcement on or before this Saturday. Should be a fair few leaving. Will be interesting to see if Alfie Jones leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 May, 2018 Share Posted 16 May, 2018 As expected, Will Wood is leaving. Hope he finds a good club. @Will_Wood3: Time to move on after 10 years at @southamptonfc Would like to thank all the staff for their help during that time looking forward to see what the future holds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 19 May, 2018 Share Posted 19 May, 2018 I see Pied has been released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 19 May, 2018 Share Posted 19 May, 2018 Should be a fair few leaving. Will be interesting to see if Alfie Jones leaves. Am I the only one thinking our good prospects have been the victims of the poor coaching going on at the youth levels lately? Seems things have gone to **** since Dodd and Williams have left ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 19 May, 2018 Share Posted 19 May, 2018 Am I the only one thinking our good prospects have been the victims of the poor coaching going on at the youth levels lately? Seems things have gone to **** since Dodd and Williams have left ! Hard to say. The U18's had a good season this year though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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