disconnect Posted January 28 Posted January 28 12 hours ago, spyinthesky said: Out of Contract 2025 2007 2009 Gronback 23 Loan Dibling 19 - Fernandes 20 £13m Ugochukwu 21 Loan Armstrong 27 £15m Kay Sanda 19 £4m KWP 28 £10m Bazanu 23 £12m Stephens 31 £500k Sulemana 22 £22m ????????? Lallana 36 Free Bednerak 29 £5m Taboaka Lumley 30 Free Larios 21 £6m Juan 2026 Manning 28 Free Matsuki Onuachu 30 £18m Robinson 17 - Aribo 28 £8m Edioze 22 £10m Stewart 28 £10m 2008 Fraser 30 Free Harwood Bellis 23 £19m Taylor 31 Free Ramsdale 26 £18m Bree 27 Free Downes 26 £15m McCarthy 35 £1m Archer 23 £15m Amo-Ameyaw 18 - Sugawara 24 £6m Smallbone 24 - Wood 23 £3m Bella Kotchap 23 £10m Edwards 21 £3m Charles 21 £10m Brereton Diaz 25 £7m Welington 23 £3m I'm guessing this is Rento Takaoka? Think he's joining when he turns 18 in March.
Bushey Saint Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 10/01/2025 at 20:08, SaintNewForest said: Had an automatic 1-year extension activated in the summer following promotion *ugger. If there's someone I'd like out of the club, it is Stephens. Used to be fairly steady, the odd mistake and the very occasional exciting run forward. Now it just seems to be mistake after mistake after mistake, interposed with ridiculous behaviour such as getting sent off for pulling an opposing player's hair. 3
davefizzy14 Posted February 3 Posted February 3 Joe O'Brien Whitmarsh gone out on loan for rest of the season. Good luck to him. Exciting talent 👍
SuperSAINT Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Are we due an official revised 25-man squad list, @Over land and sea?
Over land and sea Posted February 5 Author Posted February 5 Yes all clubs are required to provide updated squad lists following closure of the transfer windows. I can’t find a specific deadline in the PL rules but I would imagine it would be today or tomorrow (Euro competitions deadline is 6 Feb). The PL usually publishes the revised lists a day or two after the submission deadline. We should have a full 25 man squad - see first team list in post 1. I imagine Ben Reeves will have to be included and the 5 loaned out over 21s omitted but we will see.
Over land and sea Posted February 7 Author Posted February 7 (edited) https://www.premierleague.com/news/4243590 Updated squad list. From a quick skim we seem to have included Ollie Wright rather than Ben Reeves in the 25 even though he is out on loan. Reeves and loaned out quartet of Bazunu, Armstrong, Brerton Diaz and Juan all omitted. No real surprises in U21 list apart from Nico Lawrence’s continued exclusion. Loaned out players otherwise included. Jem Hewlett and Josh Potts (latter has signed for Ipswich) are omitted - I noticed the former had been removed from the OS recently so it seems he has moved on. One scholar also omitted so presumably has moved on - Nsemi Bassega. 25 Squad players (*Home grown) 1 Archer, Cameron Desmond* 2 Ayodele-Aribo, Joseph* 3 Bednarek, Jan 4 Bella-Kotchap, Armel 5 Bree, James Patrick* 6 Damascena Santos, Welington 7 Downes, Flynn* 8 Erlykke, Albert Gronbaek 9 Fraser, Ryan 10 Harwood-Bellis, Taylor* 11 Lallana, Adam* 12 Lumley, Joseph Patrick* 13 Manning, Ryan Phelim* 14 McCarthy, Alex Simon* 15 Onuachu, Ebere Paul 16 Ramsdale, Aaron* 17 Smallbone, William Anthony Patrick* 18 Stephens, Jack* 19 Stewart, Ross Cameron 20 Sugawara, Yukinari 21 Sulemana, Kamaldeen 22 Taylor, Charles James* 23 Walker-Peters, Kyle Leonardus* 24 Wood-Gordon, Nathan Dean Joshua* 25 Wright, Oliver* U21 players (Contract and Scholars) 1 Abu, Derrick 2 Adjei-Afriyie, Hansel 3 Akachukwu, Romeo 4 Amo-Ameyaw, Samuel Christian Osaze K O 5 Armitage, Will 6 Awe, Zachariah 7 Ballard, Dominic 8 Boot, Nathanael Joshua Asiimwe 9 Bragg, Cameron Roger 10 Charles, Brandon Davis 11 Charles, Shea Emmanuel 12 Daley, Aston Robert 13 Davis, Sonnie Kelvin 14 Dibling, Tyler-Jay 15 Dipepa, Baylee Jack 16 Dobson-Ventura, Tommy Eric 17 Edozie, Samuel Ikechukwu 18 Edwards, Ronnie Lee 19 Ehibhatiomhan, Princewill Omonefe 20 Espanha Fernandes, Mateus Goncalo 21 Frederick, Cameron Joseph 22 Fry, Max Joseph 23 Gathercole, Harry John 24 Goremusandu, Tinotenda Blessing 25 Jeffries, Josh David 26 Kayi Sanda, Joachim 27 Larios Lopez, Juan 28 Lett, Joshua Matthew 29 MacLeod, Rory Iain 30 Malak, Izzet Furkan 31 Martin, James Luke 32 Matsuki, Kuryu 33 McMullan, Korban James 34 McNamara, Joshua Anthony 35 Merry, William George 36 Mohamed, Adli Hatim Othman Husain Elkhidir 37 Moody, Dylan Lewis 38 Moore, Jayden James 39 Myers, Brook Cameron Reeco 40 Myers, Tevin Diego 41 Newman, Oliver Jacob 42 O'Brien-Whitmarsh, Joseph Paul 43 Ofuyaekpone-Shombe, Khiani Hrukti Toju 44 Okunola-Matthews, Abdulhalim Olarewaju Olasubomi 45 Oyekunle, Adetokunbo Adewale Ayomide 46 Payne, Lewis James 47 Prescott, Alfie Leo 48 Robinson, Jay Steven 49 Rohart-Brown, Thierry David 50 Sesay, Jonathan Moses Momoh 51 Sheaf, Benjamin Michael 52 Sillah Dibaga, Sufianu 53 Tabares, Samuel Ethan 54 Traore, Daouda 55 Udoh, Victor 56 Ugochukwu, Chimuanya Lesley 57 Umeh, Leo Chidiebere 58 Upstell, Henry William 59 Williams, Barnaby Joe Edited February 7 by Over land and sea
SuperSAINT Posted February 7 Posted February 7 2 hours ago, Over land and sea said: Jem Hewlett and Josh Potts (latter has signed for Ipswich) are omitted - I noticed the former had been removed from the OS recently so it seems he has moved on. The eyes of an eagle! Believe he has left for pastures new. 1
Matthew Le God Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Adli Mohamed out on loan to United FC (UAE) until the end of the season... https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/news/article/mohamed-heads-to-dubai-on-loan 1
WokingSaint Posted Monday at 16:34 Posted Monday at 16:34 On 07/02/2025 at 18:02, Over land and sea said: https://www.premierleague.com/news/4243590 Updated squad list. From a quick skim we seem to have included Ollie Wright rather than Ben Reeves in the 25 even though he is out on loan. Reeves and loaned out quartet of Bazunu, Armstrong, Brerton Diaz and Juan all omitted. No real surprises in U21 list apart from Nico Lawrence’s continued exclusion. Loaned out players otherwise included. Jem Hewlett and Josh Potts (latter has signed for Ipswich) are omitted - I noticed the former had been removed from the OS recently so it seems he has moved on. One scholar also omitted so presumably has moved on - Nsemi Bassega. 25 Squad players (*Home grown) 1 Archer, Cameron Desmond* 2 Ayodele-Aribo, Joseph* 3 Bednarek, Jan 4 Bella-Kotchap, Armel 5 Bree, James Patrick* 6 Damascena Santos, Welington 7 Downes, Flynn* 8 Erlykke, Albert Gronbaek 9 Fraser, Ryan 10 Harwood-Bellis, Taylor* 11 Lallana, Adam* 12 Lumley, Joseph Patrick* 13 Manning, Ryan Phelim* 14 McCarthy, Alex Simon* 15 Onuachu, Ebere Paul 16 Ramsdale, Aaron* 17 Smallbone, William Anthony Patrick* 18 Stephens, Jack* 19 Stewart, Ross Cameron 20 Sugawara, Yukinari 21 Sulemana, Kamaldeen 22 Taylor, Charles James* 23 Walker-Peters, Kyle Leonardus* 24 Wood-Gordon, Nathan Dean Joshua* 25 Wright, Oliver* U21 players (Contract and Scholars) 1 Abu, Derrick 2 Adjei-Afriyie, Hansel 3 Akachukwu, Romeo 4 Amo-Ameyaw, Samuel Christian Osaze K O 5 Armitage, Will 6 Awe, Zachariah 7 Ballard, Dominic 8 Boot, Nathanael Joshua Asiimwe 9 Bragg, Cameron Roger 10 Charles, Brandon Davis 11 Charles, Shea Emmanuel 12 Daley, Aston Robert 13 Davis, Sonnie Kelvin 14 Dibling, Tyler-Jay 15 Dipepa, Baylee Jack 16 Dobson-Ventura, Tommy Eric 17 Edozie, Samuel Ikechukwu 18 Edwards, Ronnie Lee 19 Ehibhatiomhan, Princewill Omonefe 20 Espanha Fernandes, Mateus Goncalo 21 Frederick, Cameron Joseph 22 Fry, Max Joseph 23 Gathercole, Harry John 24 Goremusandu, Tinotenda Blessing 25 Jeffries, Josh David 26 Kayi Sanda, Joachim 27 Larios Lopez, Juan 28 Lett, Joshua Matthew 29 MacLeod, Rory Iain 30 Malak, Izzet Furkan 31 Martin, James Luke 32 Matsuki, Kuryu 33 McMullan, Korban James 34 McNamara, Joshua Anthony 35 Merry, William George 36 Mohamed, Adli Hatim Othman Husain Elkhidir 37 Moody, Dylan Lewis 38 Moore, Jayden James 39 Myers, Brook Cameron Reeco 40 Myers, Tevin Diego 41 Newman, Oliver Jacob 42 O'Brien-Whitmarsh, Joseph Paul 43 Ofuyaekpone-Shombe, Khiani Hrukti Toju 44 Okunola-Matthews, Abdulhalim Olarewaju Olasubomi 45 Oyekunle, Adetokunbo Adewale Ayomide 46 Payne, Lewis James 47 Prescott, Alfie Leo 48 Robinson, Jay Steven 49 Rohart-Brown, Thierry David 50 Sesay, Jonathan Moses Momoh 51 Sheaf, Benjamin Michael 52 Sillah Dibaga, Sufianu 53 Tabares, Samuel Ethan 54 Traore, Daouda 55 Udoh, Victor 56 Ugochukwu, Chimuanya Lesley 57 Umeh, Leo Chidiebere 58 Upstell, Henry William 59 Williams, Barnaby Joe We really have that many U21's? I would play most of them in the first team in the present circumstances!
Saint Fan CaM Posted Tuesday at 09:26 Posted Tuesday at 09:26 My cull would be as follows… 25 Squad players 1 Archer, Cameron Desmond* - keep 2 Ayodele-Aribo, Joseph* - sell/release 3 Bednarek, Jan - sell/release 4 Bella-Kotchap, Armel - sell/release 5 Bree, James Patrick* - keep 6 Damascena Santos, Welington - keep 7 Downes, Flynn* - sell/release 8 Erlykke, Albert Gronbaek - keep 9 Fraser, Ryan - sell/release 10 Harwood-Bellis, Taylor* - keep 11 Lallana, Adam* - sell/release (coaching?) 12 Lumley, Joseph Patrick* - sell/release 13 Manning, Ryan Phelim* - sell/release 14 McCarthy, Alex Simon* - sell/release 15 Onuachu, Ebere Paul - sell/release 16 Ramsdale, Aaron* - keep 17 Smallbone, William Anthony Patrick* - sell/release 18 Stephens, Jack* - sell/release 19 Stewart, Ross Cameron - sell/release 20 Sugawara, Yukinari - keep 21 Sulemana, Kamaldeen - keep 22 Taylor, Charles James* - sell/release 23 Walker-Peters, Kyle Leonardus* - keep 24 Wood-Gordon, Nathan Dean Joshua* - keep 25 Wright, Oliver* - no idea who this lad is, so keep Would also attempt to keep Fernandes, Dibling and Big Les. The only way forward is to retain our better players and improve from there. That means culling 14 players above and bringing in circa 8 - we don’t need a squad that big. It serves to remind us of the massive re-build job ahead in the summer, which frankly I don’t think will happen successfully…too much money involved.
spyinthesky Posted Tuesday at 10:16 Posted Tuesday at 10:16 Whilst not necessarily arguing against your choices, the fact is the club will have to sell the better players such as Fernandes, Ramsdale, Dibling perhaps THB to make up for the losses that relegation brings. Likewise if there is interest in players with a year remaining on their contract will probably have to be sold for financial reasons. KWP will unfortunately leave on a Free.
Matthew Le God Posted Tuesday at 10:22 Posted Tuesday at 10:22 Just now, spyinthesky said: Whilst not necessarily arguing against your choices, the fact is the club will have to sell the better players such as Fernandes, Ramsdale, Dibling perhaps THB to make up for the losses that relegation brings. Players have large relegation wage reduction clauses circa 40% and the club have parachute payments to cover the then reduced PL contracts in the Championship. We don't need to sell those players for financial reasons, they will leave because they'll likely want to go to clubs that offer them a higher level of football and better wages than if they stayed. Last season after relegation Burnley, Sheff Utd and Luton didn't sell £100m of players last season to 'make up for losses'. Because they also have parachute payments and would have reduced player wages due to contract clauses. 1
Doctoroncall Posted Tuesday at 13:27 Posted Tuesday at 13:27 3 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said: My cull would be as follows… 25 Squad players 1 Archer, Cameron Desmond* - keep 2 Ayodele-Aribo, Joseph* - sell/release 3 Bednarek, Jan - sell/release 4 Bella-Kotchap, Armel - sell/release 5 Bree, James Patrick* - keep 6 Damascena Santos, Welington - keep 7 Downes, Flynn* - sell/release 8 Erlykke, Albert Gronbaek - keep 9 Fraser, Ryan - sell/release 10 Harwood-Bellis, Taylor* - keep 11 Lallana, Adam* - sell/release (coaching?) 12 Lumley, Joseph Patrick* - sell/release 13 Manning, Ryan Phelim* - sell/release 14 McCarthy, Alex Simon* - sell/release 15 Onuachu, Ebere Paul - sell/release 16 Ramsdale, Aaron* - keep 17 Smallbone, William Anthony Patrick* - sell/release 18 Stephens, Jack* - sell/release 19 Stewart, Ross Cameron - sell/release 20 Sugawara, Yukinari - keep 21 Sulemana, Kamaldeen - keep 22 Taylor, Charles James* - sell/release 23 Walker-Peters, Kyle Leonardus* - keep 24 Wood-Gordon, Nathan Dean Joshua* - keep 25 Wright, Oliver* - no idea who this lad is, so keep Would also attempt to keep Fernandes, Dibling and Big Les. The only way forward is to retain our better players and improve from there. That means culling 14 players above and bringing in circa 8 - we don’t need a squad that big. It serves to remind us of the massive re-build job ahead in the summer, which frankly I don’t think will happen successfully…too much money involved. Agree that there needs to be a huge turnover of players, but there is an advantage to keeping someone like McCarthy for example, who has performed well in the Championship and only has a year left on his contract. It means a season to identify and track a couple of new keepers so that one can be signed if Saints go up or if promotion isn’t achieved the other can easily step into the championship with potential to develop into a premier league keeper. 1
Chez Posted Tuesday at 14:21 Posted Tuesday at 14:21 3 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: Players have large relegation wage reduction clauses circa 40% and the club have parachute payments to cover the then reduced PL contracts in the Championship. We don't need to sell those players for financial reasons, they will leave because they'll likely want to go to clubs that offer them a higher level of football and better wages than if they stayed. Last season after relegation Burnley, Sheff Utd and Luton didn't sell £100m of players last season to 'make up for losses'. Because they also have parachute payments and would have reduced player wages due to contract clauses. Does Burnley, Sheffield and Luton's situation have any bearing on our own? It's very difficult to compare clubs' finances, as each will have spent differently in terms of transfers, be carrying different amounts of debt, have different wage bills going up and then coming back down, different acceptable losses and actual opportunities to make sales.
Matthew Le God Posted Tuesday at 15:03 Posted Tuesday at 15:03 37 minutes ago, Chez said: Does Burnley, Sheffield and Luton's situation have any bearing on our own? It's very difficult to compare clubs' finances, as each will have spent differently in terms of transfers, be carrying different amounts of debt, have different wage bills going up and then coming back down, different acceptable losses and actual opportunities to make sales. Because they and other recently relegated clubs haven't needed to. It is evidence to show what I said about relegation wage reduction clauses and parachute payments mean there is no desperate need to sell. Relegated clubs sell players because those players want to leave, not financial pressures. 1
Saint Fan CaM Posted Tuesday at 15:03 Posted Tuesday at 15:03 (edited) 4 hours ago, spyinthesky said: Whilst not necessarily arguing against your choices, the fact is the club will have to sell the better players such as Fernandes, Ramsdale, Dibling perhaps THB to make up for the losses that relegation brings. Likewise if there is interest in players with a year remaining on their contract will probably have to be sold for financial reasons. KWP will unfortunately leave on a Free. As MLG said, there’s no reason initially for selling our ‘best’ players and let’s face it, even those are starting from a pretty low place - there’s not too many who will gain the opportunity of remaining in the Prem I would wager…they’ve shown themselves to be somewhat poor at that level. However my point was also that there is little hope of making all the changes needed due to the financial implications. What that boils down to is our first season in the Championship might not being our last this time around - scar tissue or whatever you want to call it, is going to run deep for some of this lot. Edited Tuesday at 15:05 by Saint Fan CaM
Saint Fan CaM Posted Tuesday at 15:39 Posted Tuesday at 15:39 2 hours ago, Doctoroncall said: Agree that there needs to be a huge turnover of players, but there is an advantage to keeping someone like McCarthy for example, who has performed well in the Championship and only has a year left on his contract. It means a season to identify and track a couple of new keepers so that one can be signed if Saints go up or if promotion isn’t achieved the other can easily step into the championship with potential to develop into a premier league keeper. To be honest I cannot see any advantage to keeping hold of McCarthy - he is symptomatic of the losing mentality from the last 3-4 years that has pervaded the club. His distribution has not improved, his mobility has got worse and he’s been part of a defence that has had the worst defeats in the clubs history inflicted on it. This is a player that needs to be exorcised from the club, along with a good number of others like Bednarek and Stephens…no sentimentality allowed. 2
Matthew Le God Posted Tuesday at 16:10 Posted Tuesday at 16:10 30 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: To be honest I cannot see any advantage to keeping hold of McCarthy - he is symptomatic of the losing mentality from the last 3-4 years that has pervaded the club. His distribution has not improved, his mobility has got worse and he’s been part of a defence that has had the worst defeats in the clubs history inflicted on it. This is a player that needs to be exorcised from the club, along with a good number of others like Bednarek and Stephens…no sentimentality allowed. What profile of player do you suggest for a backup keeper in the Championship if not McCarthy?
Saint Fan CaM Posted Tuesday at 16:33 Posted Tuesday at 16:33 14 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: What profile of player do you suggest for a backup keeper in the Championship if not McCarthy? Athletic shot stopper with good distribution skills, 18-24 years with some experience at Championship equivalent level, happy to understudy Rambo. What about you? 1
Doctoroncall Posted Tuesday at 16:33 Posted Tuesday at 16:33 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: To be honest I cannot see any advantage to keeping hold of McCarthy - he is symptomatic of the losing mentality from the last 3-4 years that has pervaded the club. His distribution has not improved, his mobility has got worse and he’s been part of a defence that has had the worst defeats in the clubs history inflicted on it. This is a player that needs to be exorcised from the club, along with a good number of others like Bednarek and Stephens…no sentimentality allowed. I was using McCarthy as an example, as a player under contract it may not be that easy to move on, it requires a replacement straight away and if there are many leavers, not always easy to find so many targets so quickly. Targets need to be able to perform well and have the ability and mental fortitude for the PL. That will generally cost more, be it in scouting, research, contract and/or fees than the players we had previously got in. Hopefully there are some U-21s who can step up as well. I just think there are two summer transfer windows to use for developing a PL squad (big assumption for promotion) and it gives Spors the time to get the right target and not compromise. Edited Tuesday at 16:34 by Doctoroncall Grammar 1
Saint Fan CaM Posted Tuesday at 16:40 Posted Tuesday at 16:40 2 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said: I was using McCarthy as an example, as a player under contract it may not be that easy to move on, it requires a replacement straight away and if there are many leavers, not always easy to find so many targets so quickly. Targets need to be able to perform well and have the ability and mental fortitude for the PL. That will generally cost more, be it in scouting, research, contract and/or fees than the players we had previously got in. Hopefully there are some U-21s who can step up as well. I just think there is are two summer transfers to use for developing a PL squad (big assumption for promotion) and it gives Spors the time to get the right target and not compromise. Well that’s the big challenge for Spors isn’t it and why I’ve been saying it’s going to take a massive effort in the summer to turn the squad around. To be fair, if we can keep Rambo the no.2 goalkeeper is of less urgency, however it’s as much about wiping the slate clean of the losers as it is about improving overall squad quality.
Matthew Le God Posted Tuesday at 17:36 Posted Tuesday at 17:36 58 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: Athletic shot stopper with good distribution skills, 18-24 years with some experience at Championship equivalent level, happy to understudy Rambo. What about you? Any decent keeper with that description will want/need regular gametime and not playing second fiddle in the Championship. It is for good reason 2nd and 3rd choice keepers are often old. I'd be very surprised (but happy) if Ramsdale is our keeper in the Championship. I think 1st choice is more likely to be Bazunu, with older keepers as backup. So probably McCarthy and Lumley again.
Chez Posted Tuesday at 17:54 Posted Tuesday at 17:54 2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: Because they and other recently relegated clubs haven't needed to. It is evidence to show what I said about relegation wage reduction clauses and parachute payments mean there is no desperate need to sell. Relegated clubs sell players because those players want to leave, not financial pressures. Nonsense. We sold £160m of talent and spent just £20m because we had financial pressure to do so. Burnley sold £100m of players last summer and spent about £45m. Are you suggesting that £55m difference is just sitting in their bank account? 1
Saint Fan CaM Posted Wednesday at 00:20 Posted Wednesday at 00:20 6 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: Any decent keeper with that description will want/need regular gametime and not playing second fiddle in the Championship. It is for good reason 2nd and 3rd choice keepers are often old. I'd be very surprised (but happy) if Ramsdale is our keeper in the Championship. I think 1st choice is more likely to be Bazunu, with older keepers as backup. So probably McCarthy and Lumley again. So on the one hand you say we have no need to sell our best players, but then also say you’d be surprised if Ramsdale (who is under contract) stays. What is it?
Matthew Le God Posted Wednesday at 02:23 Posted Wednesday at 02:23 2 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said: So on the one hand you say we have no need to sell our best players, but then also say you’d be surprised if Ramsdale (who is under contract) stays. What is it? Those statements are not in conflict. I think Ramsdale will leave because he will want to leave.
CB Fry Posted Wednesday at 06:33 Posted Wednesday at 06:33 6 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said: So on the one hand you say we have no need to sell our best players, but then also say you’d be surprised if Ramsdale (who is under contract) stays. What is it? Aaron Ramsdale is not going to be playing in the Championship for us. Get used to it. 1 1
Chez Posted Wednesday at 14:02 Posted Wednesday at 14:02 11 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: Those statements are not in conflict. I think Ramsdale will leave because he will want to leave. He will likely leave because he wants to play in the Prem (so will be open to another move), but also because we need to cut our cloth accordingly.
Matthew Le God Posted Wednesday at 14:07 Posted Wednesday at 14:07 4 minutes ago, Chez said: He will likely leave because he wants to play in the Prem (so will be open to another move), but also because we need to cut our cloth accordingly. Cloth is automatically cut with 40% relegation wage reduction clauses and aided with parachute payments.
Chez Posted Wednesday at 16:20 Posted Wednesday at 16:20 5 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Cloth is automatically cut with 40% relegation wage reduction clauses and aided with parachute payments. Is it? Here's some fag packet maths. PL income from TV and prize money is roughly £120m for the bottom placed team. Which is roughly the same as our wage bill (£114m) the last time around in the Prem. The parachute payment is roughly £45m in the Championship. Now cut that £114m wage bill by 40% and see if it equals £45m.
CB Fry Posted yesterday at 15:57 Posted yesterday at 15:57 On 19/02/2025 at 14:07, Matthew Le God said: Cloth is automatically cut with 40% relegation wage reduction clauses and aided with parachute payments. Aaron Ramsdale won't need to cut his cloth because he will get work at another Premier League club. And we will take the money because we won't want a keeper even on relegation-clause Prem money and we will want the fee.
trousers Posted yesterday at 16:25 Posted yesterday at 16:25 On 19/02/2025 at 16:20, Chez said: Is it? Here's some fag packet maths. PL income from TV and prize money is roughly £120m for the bottom placed team. Which is roughly the same as our wage bill (£114m) the last time around in the Prem. The parachute payment is roughly £45m in the Championship. Now cut that £114m wage bill by 40% and see if it equals £45m. Anyone know why @Matthew Le God sometimes aborts continuing with a conversation before it's concluded..?
Matthew Le God Posted yesterday at 18:17 Posted yesterday at 18:17 (edited) On 19/02/2025 at 16:20, Chez said: Is it? 1 hour ago, trousers said: Anyone know why @Matthew Le God sometimes aborts continuing with a conversation before it's concluded..? Because what Chez said is nonsense. Of course auto relegation reduction clauses are a form of cutting cloth. The club will know some players will leave for big money because they want PL football and big wages. Edited yesterday at 18:19 by Matthew Le God
Weston Super Saint Posted yesterday at 19:11 Posted yesterday at 19:11 On 19/02/2025 at 14:07, Matthew Le God said: Cloth is automatically cut with 40% relegation wage reduction clauses Source?
Matthew Le God Posted yesterday at 19:48 Posted yesterday at 19:48 36 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Source? The Athletic
Weston Super Saint Posted yesterday at 19:57 Posted yesterday at 19:57 9 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: The Athletic Isn't a source.
Matthew Le God Posted yesterday at 20:06 Posted yesterday at 20:06 5 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Isn't a source. Yes it is. It is the name of the source. You did not ask for a link. Here is a link... https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4449788/2023/05/13/southampton-relegation-premier-league-sport-republic/ It is from 2023, but relegation wage reduction clauses are standard practice across the industry. They won't have stopped using them for subsequent contracts, especially given how we were always likely to be potentially facing another relegation.
Weston Super Saint Posted yesterday at 20:42 Posted yesterday at 20:42 36 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Yes it is. It is the name of the source. You did not ask for a link. Here is a link... https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4449788/2023/05/13/southampton-relegation-premier-league-sport-republic/ It is from 2023, but relegation wage reduction clauses are standard practice across the industry. They won't have stopped using them for subsequent contracts, especially given how we were always likely to be potentially facing another relegation. Behind a pay wall.
Matthew Le God Posted yesterday at 20:49 Posted yesterday at 20:49 5 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Behind a pay wall. I'm not going to buy you a subscription! 🙃
Weston Super Saint Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 33 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: I'm not going to buy you a subscription! 🙃 Forgive me then for not taking your word for it.
Chez Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago (edited) 3 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: Because what Chez said is nonsense. Of course auto relegation reduction clauses are a form of cutting cloth. The club will know some players will leave for big money because they want PL football and big wages. I did not say relegation reduction clauses were not a form of cloth cutting, I questioned whether they were enough to balance the books. What is nonsense is your suggestion that there are no financial pressure to sell players on relegation. Edited 23 hours ago by Chez
Matthew Le God Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago (edited) 43 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Forgive me then for not taking your word for it. I provided a link to the source where it can be seen by anyone on this forum with a subscription. What would lying about what the link shows achieve when it is open to be verified as saying so in the Athletic article? 🤔 Here is the Echo reporting on the Athletic story... https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/23521496.southampton-players-reportedly-40-per-cent-wage-reduction-clause/ Edited 23 hours ago by Matthew Le God
Matthew Le God Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago (edited) 19 minutes ago, Chez said: I did not say relegation reduction clauses were not a form of cloth cutting, I questioned whether they were enough to balance the books. What is nonsense is your suggestion that there are no financial pressure to sell players on relegation. The books do not need to be balanced in isolation so that every season you break even. You can take losses. The football financhial rules work on a rolling cycle over 3 seasons. That doesn't force players sales after a relegation, quickly bouncing back solves a lot of issues. The issue comes if you do not get a quick return in one or two years, like we had last time. Edited 23 hours ago by Matthew Le God
Chez Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 12 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: The books do not need to be balanced in isolation so that every season you break even. You can take losses. The football financhial rules work on a rolling cycle over 3 seasons. That doesn't force players sales after a relegation, quickly bouncing back solves a lot of issues. The issue comes if you do not get a quick return in one or two years, like we had last time. Tell me, where are Saints in the current rolling three year financial cycle? I presume you have analysed the accounts for the last three years, plus you also know what's going to appear in the next set of accounts? If not, then how are you able to conclude that: "we wont sell any players this summer for financial reasons, we will only sell them because they want to leave"?
trousers Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 17 hours ago, Chez said: Tell me, where are Saints in the current rolling three year financial cycle? I presume you have analysed the accounts for the last three years, plus you also know what's going to appear in the next set of accounts? If not, then how are you able to conclude that: "we wont sell any players this summer for financial reasons, we will only sell them because they want to leave"? You must be "talking nonsense " as he's not responded again...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 19 hours ago, Chez said: Tell me, where are Saints in the current rolling three year financial cycle? 2 hours ago, trousers said: You must be "talking nonsense " as he's not responded again... About to tip over (after 30th June) into not having the 2022/23 £160m+ spent disaster transfer windows not applying to the rolling accounts.
Chez Posted 52 minutes ago Posted 52 minutes ago Let me find some armbands, you appear to have got out of your depth.
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