Window Cleaner Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Perhaps Forren was just unsettled here, always looked down in the dumps, wouldn't be the first player for whom homesickness ruined a career abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 He wasn't an Adkins signing. How many times.do people.need to be reminded of not only Forrens interview when he joined but also Adkins, who when asked said he knew nothing about it. Cortese clearly signed him, panicking because of defensive frailties at the time. I can't believe anyone actually buys this nonsense about him being bought for the following season. It was simply a very poor signing and makes his refusal to go on trial at Liverpool make more sense. He obviously knew he wasn't up to it. I think Cortese saw a player linked with a club like Liverpool and thought "he must be good". Anyway, like I said earlier, Sky are saying we've got.most.of our money back so its not a huge problem. Personally id be happy with the new bloke and Yoshida this season. If we can buy someone else, even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 You in short love Cortese and know nothing on football and you blindly follow him. Not much else to say really. Once again Dune your spot on, if your going to crack on the rest of the day not taking your pills Id suggest putting the thatcher mask on the doll now and turn the PC off. Do I love Cortese ? No Am I happy with where he has taken us ? Yes Am I a geriatric obsessive constantly talking about Reed and NC ? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Perhaps Forren was just unsettled here, always looked down in the dumps, wouldn't be the first player for whom homesickness ruined a career abroad. No it was clearly another reason why NC/LR should be sacked and Lowe should be returned to power. Fwiw though there must be something else in it, we as a club havnt got many signings this far wrong, homesickness crossed my mind. He wasnt a large part of the 'team' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Once again Dune your spot on, if your going to crack on the rest of the day not taking your pills Id suggest putting the thatcher mask on the doll now and turn the PC off. Do I love Cortese ? No Am I happy with where he has taken us ? Yes Am I a geriatric obsessive constantly talking about Reed and NC ? No But I always questioned his footballing prowess and knowledge, him and Leslie dont have any pedigree when it comes to this, they still dont and they never will. Ali Dia and Forren rank as our ****test signings, why would I put the Thatcher mask on when I hate the woman is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 No it was clearly another reason why NC/LR should be sacked and Lowe should be returned to power. Fwiw though there must be something else in it, we as a club havnt got many signings this far wrong, homesickness crossed my mind. He wasnt a large part of the 'team' Ramirez Guly Lee Mayuka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 No it was clearly another reason why NC/LR should be sacked and Lowe should be returned to power. Fwiw though there must be something else in it, we as a club havnt got many signings this far wrong, homesickness crossed my mind. He wasnt a large part of the 'team' Settling in abroad isn't easy, gone are the days of the country club where there's tiffin at 4 and cricket on the lawn. If you pass the first year or so you'll probably be OK but the number of expats that I've known who just couldn't settle is astonishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Ramirez Guly Lee Mayuka Ramirez seems a good signing Guly was a good signing unless you form part of the clueless bandwagon Lee looked like he would be a decent NPC player if it wasnt for injuries (plus free) Mayuka well, I agree here not seen anything to suggest otherwise Newsflash though, not every transfer works out for one reason or another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Settling in abroad isn't easy, gone are the days of the country club where there's tiffin at 4 and cricket on the lawn. If you pass the first year or so yuo'll probably be OK but the number of expats that I've known who just couldn't settle is astonishing. If you refer to Australia? Its about 25% that come back, 15% from NZ roughly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Newsflash though, not every transfer works out for one reason or another No, it's only the Cortese signings that don't work out. The other signings is ok. You can tell when a signing is cortese signing, cos it's the ones that don't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Settling in abroad isn't easy, gone are the days of the country club where there's tiffin at 4 and cricket on the lawn. If you pass the first year or so you'll probably be OK but the number of expats that I've known who just couldn't settle is astonishing. Ive always fancied working abroad, had plenty of offers, I think Id be one of those that couldnt settle though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 If you refer to Australia? Its about 25% that come back, 15% from NZ roughly. I'm thinking closer to home really. I'm on my 5th country now and each time there are people who just can't pass on the pub,their mum, their friends,Sainsbury's and the Number 14 bus route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangely Brown Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 I wish Chappers well for the future, his contribution to helping us get to where we are will never be overlooked or forgotten. As for Forren, well I think most of us felt that something wasn't quite right given the defensive issues we had towards the latter stages of the season and he still couldn't get a game!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Ramirez seems a good signing Guly was a good signing unless you form part of the clueless bandwagon Lee looked like he would be a decent NPC player if it wasnt for injuries (plus free) Mayuka well, I agree here not seen anything to suggest otherwise Newsflash though, not every transfer works out for one reason or another Ramirez has not been a good signing so far- Fact Guly can not play football but has a great workrate- Fact Lee was crap bar one good goal- Fact Mayuka must be crap as he has not figured- Fact How many Millions is that? Many programme seller made redundant, nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Ive always fancied working abroad, had plenty of offers, I think Id be one of those that couldnt settle though But if Nicky went to Italy wey hey its Roma its Naples it Venice woo hoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 No, it's only the Cortese signings that don't work out. The other signings is ok. You can tell when a signing is cortese signing, cos it's the ones that don't work out. I heard he also picks the team sometimes, you can tell when he picks the team cos we lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Ive always fancied working abroad, had plenty of offers, I think Id be one of those that couldnt settle though working helps, throws you into the pool of local custom. Of course there are those who are too set in their ways even then but it's often isolation from the locals that doesn't help. I've had a few assistants from the UK, most of them went back for one reason or another, mum's teas often were the culprit. You'd be surprised at the number of 30 year old blokes who are still dependant on their mothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 But if Nicky went to Italy wey hey its Roma its Naples it Venice woo hoo! You should get this obsessive behaviour looked at Dune, its not becoming. That said I have seen many of the ageing population that get a bee in their bonnet for little reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 working helps, throws you into the pool of local custom. Of course there are those who are too set in their ways even then but it's often isolation from the locals that doesn't help. I've had a few assistants from the UK, most of them went back for one reason or another, mum's teas often were the culprit. You'd be surprised at the number of 30 year old blokes who are still dependant on their mothers. True, family would be a big tear though, plus group of friends, looked at a few contracts in Oz and Dubai, all over the 150k mark, I just dont feel I could tear myself away. Neither would I be comfortable working to different legislation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Ramirez seems a good signing Guly was a good signing unless you form part of the clueless bandwagon Lee looked like he would be a decent NPC player if it wasnt for injuries (plus free) Mayuka well, I agree here not seen anything to suggest otherwise Newsflash though, not every transfer works out for one reason or another Even great managers can sign dud players, like Fergie. Even crap managers can find good players, like Redknapp. Transfers are unpredictable, I'll agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 You should get this obsessive behaviour looked at Dune, its not becoming. That said I have seen many of the ageing population that get a bee in their bonnet for little reason At 38 I'm getting on but I'm not that old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 At 38 I'm getting on but I'm not that old. Well, you kept this one up longer than the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintAndy14 Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Sad to see Chaplow go, I know he doesn't have the quality to stay with us now but played a big part in our rise up the leagues. Will always remember that goal vs Man Utd. One of our best bargains at £50k. All the best Richard Chaplow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 True, family would be a big tear though, plus group of friends, looked at a few contracts in Oz and Dubai, all over the 150k mark, I just dont feel I could tear myself away. Neither would I be comfortable working to different legislation. moving for money is always questionable, you feel you're always doing whatever it is for the money more than any other reason. Also at that sort of sum returning to the UK on an ad hoc basis means you're never likely to just get on with making your way in a new place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 But if Nicky went to Italy wey hey its Roma its Naples it Venice woo hoo! WTF are you on about ? are you having an episode or something ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 WTF are you on about ? are you having an episode or something ? Is that a new hip word for having a turn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 moving for money is always questionable, you feel you're always doing whatever it is for the money more than any other reason. Also at that sort of sum returning to the UK on an ad hoc basis means you're never likely to just get on with making your way in a new place. Exactly, it would have been purely short term, get in and get out, in the end decided longer term prospects were better. Not just that, large contracts generally mean a pound of flesh and huge responsibility. Taking that on in a foreign climate, culture and way of working ? Is it worth it ? Worth moving the wife etc ? Nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Is that a new hip word for having a turn? hip? i thought you said you were 38 not 68 ? too hot to get so wound up, chillax! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Source? Adkins at the time, when asked about when the Forren signing, said something along the lines of "Ask the people who know what's going on". As the Forren transfer was done practically the day Adkins left and we know Cortese had been talking to MP for some time before that, I think we can safely assume that it wasn't and Adkins signing, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Adkins at the time, when asked about when the Forren signing, said something along the lines of "Ask the people who know what's going on". As the Forren transfer was done practically the day Adkins left and we know Cortese had been talking to MP for some time before that, I think we can safely assume that it wasn't and Adkins signing, don't you? In fact Forren delayed the deal because he wasn't at all sure that Pochettino wanted him here, obviously didn't but it had gone too far with Molde for us to backtrack. I am somewhat concerned about who actually does sign these players particularly Mayuka and Forren. If Forren had been a Pochettino signing he would have at least got a game even as a sub to prove a point. Pochettino obviously didn't want Forren, he probably wanted Astori though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 In fact Forren delayed the deal because he wasn't at all sure that Pochettino wanted him here, obviously didn't but it had gone too far with Molde for us to backtrack. I am somewhat concerned about who actually does sign these players particularly Mayuka and Forren. If Forren had been a Pochettino signing he would have at least got a game even as a sub to prove a point. Pochettino obviously didn't want Forren, he probably wanted Astori though. I agree that it's never a good thing to have players being signed by someone completely independently of the manager. That's where things often go wrong with the "Director of Football" role, which usually only works well if they are working closely with the Manager imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 All those putting Forren in their starting XI's for this season are looking extremely silly now. Good luck to Chappers, a good honest pro who served as well and was an integral part in getting us to the Premier League. I will him all the best for the rest of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 All those putting Forren in their starting XI's for this season are looking extremely silly now. Good luck to Chappers, a good honest pro who served as well and was an integral part in getting us to the Premier League. I will him all the best for the rest of his career. Really? I had him down in my team for he new season. Don't feel silly at all. Just sad for the guy that it did not work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Look, we only signed forren to prove we're a bigger club than Liverpool. And after coutinho disproved that theory his job was done and his days were numbered. Still, even if it only peed the scousers off for a couple of minutes it was worth every penny. Good luck to Chaplow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Is that a new hip word for having a turn? I can't decide when you sound like more of a bell-end, when you have a point or when you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Ramirez has not been a good signing so far- Fact Guly can not play football but has a great workrate- Fact Lee was crap bar one good goal- Fact Mayuka must be crap as he has not figured- Fact How many Millions is that? Many programme seller made redundant, nice. Putting FACT at the end of arbitrary statements doesn't make them true. FACT Ramirez has been pretty good, guly isn't that bad, lee has been stuck with injuries, mayuka hasn't really stepped up and yet there's no destroying of de ridder who was web utter poo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 No surprises. http://www.millwallfc.co.uk/news/article/rich-return-908837.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Good luck to Chaplow - I always liked him and thought he showed, that on his day he could handle the big time (e.g. his goal against Man U), but it wasn't to be. Forren - who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Ramirez has not been a good signing so far- Fact[/Quote] No, not a fact. Ramirez had an acceptable first season. He's show bags of potential, and scored 1 goal every 5 games from midfield. That's not bad at all for a young player. You seem to be letting the transfer fee cloud your judgement - honestly, had we picked Ramirez up for a million or so we'd be raving about the potential he so obviously has. Guly can not play football but has a great workrate- Fact[/Quote] Again, this is certainly not a fact. Guly has been an excellent player. If you can remember back to 2010, Guly was scoring goals and winning man of the match nominations. He stood out as one of the better players in League One. In the Championship Guly had a solid season. In the Premiership he's probably not strong enough, but it's unfair to suggest that he can't play football - he blatantly can. Lee was crap bar one good goal- Fact[/Quote] Lee got injured 6 weeks after signing. He was out for 5 months, by which time we were in the Premier League. In Japan he has an excellent scoring record, which was enough to see him win international caps. He only played for us, what 6 or 7 times. His goal was excellent. You could see his pace added a different dimension to our relatively slow front line. I can't see how anyone could describe him as crap. Unlucky maybe, in need of a bit of time to adjust perhaps, but crap certainly not. For the record, I feel Lee would have been an excellent Championship player - I doubt he would have fared well in the top flight. Mayuka must be crap as he has not figured- Fact[/Quote] I disagree. Mayuka obviously has loads of potential. He's young, with an excellent goal scoring record. He may or may not make the grade. It might just take a couple of years, he might just need a run in the team to build confidence, he might simply not be Premier quality. The simple fact is we can't write him off yet. I'd have thought Fox or Dickson or Forte were more questionable signings, but even these have all played a part and moved us forward. Forren is the only noticeable 'failure' - and we seem to have recouped much of the transfer fee. I'd love to know what happened to Forren - I can't understand how anyone can go from being the hottest prospect in Norway and linked to Liverpool, only to not play and leave the club after six months. Seems a strange story, and one we will probably never learn the truth about. Simple fact is, not every transfer works out. Every club makes bad signings. Since Cortese, we just seem to have a far better record for signing players than most teams - think back to Lowe and his hit-and-miss transfer policy and you should quickly realise how lucky we are right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 If you refer to Australia? Its about 25% that come back, 15% from NZ roughly. Whilst I've done a fair bit of living in Europe I now consider myself a southern hemisphere colonial expert after living in Aus/Singapore and now South Africa in a row. I think it defo makes you more "english" in my case being away from home or maybe its the fact I am visiting our former colonies and feel the need to point it out to them all. 90% of english people are like Ian Rush, the other 10% like myself are like Beckham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Usual suspects talking crap on every thread... Wish they would clear off back to the muppets where they belong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 I think Chappers is a top bloke and I would like to thank him for what he has done for us. I would have liked him to have been given more opportunity in the Prem but he will do well in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Good luck to Chappers wherever he turns up next. Served Saints well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Best of luck Chappers - thanks for all your efforts. Much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Chaplow was a steal for 50k. He really was too good for league 1 & was a great signing for us. Did a job for us in the Championship too - Particularly remember him looking fantastic against Middlesbrough @ St Mary's where he looked fantastic. Who can forget him sticking it to both Fergie's too? Cheers Chappy. Best of luck in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 I think Chappers is a top bloke and I would like to thank him for what he has done for us. I would have liked him to have been given more opportunity in the Prem but he will do well in the Championship. Agree wholeheartedly, and I'll never forget that netbuster against Man U. I'm not so sure he'll necessarily go to a championship club myself, can still see a prem side signing him. I'm sorry to see him go, he's the sort of player you need when the chips are down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 All the best Chappers you played your part in our return to the prem. Not much you can say about Forren really is there, really strange decision to get him in when he clearly wasn't up to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Forren was/is a massive alchy, that's why we got rid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 Forren was/is a massive alchy, that's why we got rid. I'm assuming that's a joke I don't get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 At 38 I'm getting on but I'm not that old. Do you have anything positive to say. Anything? Otherwise your not a Saints fan imo but a sad sad WUM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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