Faz Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 According to The Mirror Al Fayed is looking to sell Fulham for. Between £150m and £200m. Obviously there's always a London Premium in the price, but it puts the Leibherr Estate investment in to perspective. I imagine they're sitting on a pretty good return whilst we're in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 According to The Mirror Al Fayed is looking to sell Fulham for. Between £150m and £200m. Obviously there's always a London Premium in the price, but it puts the Leibherr Estate investment in to perspective. I imagine they're sitting on a pretty good return whilst we're in the PL. I imagine £150m is with, and £200m is without the Jacko statue... Similar to the financial burden we would've faced with the mandaric krankie statue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 Does that price include the Michael Jackson statue? (to slow eating my coco pops, curse that false hope for being sponsored by coco pops) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 Does that price include the Michael Jackson statue? (to slow eating my coco pops, curse that false hope for being sponsored by coco pops) To be fair it's literally the only thing I know about Fulham apart from that they play in white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 It's all you need to know about a London club that sells half of one of its stands as a "neutral fans" section... Oh and I think he's having a laugh at that price, squad isn't hugely valuable, stadium is worth a fair bit as a bit of property (nice bit of london) but it's not worth a lot as a football stadium (steeped in history but no room for expansion) and their general facilities are pretty average as a club. Despite being in L1 the £30m spent to buy us looks a better investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 Problem with Fulham is that they have a very small plot of land. A few years ago, they tried to grab some of Bishop's Park (behind the Putney end stands). They said that they would astro turf it and do this and that, which was generally thought to be nothing short of land grab. There are a lot of lawyers and QCs who live around there, and it was quashed quick smart. Then there were plans to build over the Thames and that was quashed just as quickly. The Cottage is Grade 1 listed (I believe), so Fulham are pretty much stuck with that stadium and cannot really expand. I guess that they might be able to double the height of the stands, but the last time this was proposed, the locals weren't overly enthusiastic. There have also been rumours of moving, but that would involve moving quite a way away as there isn't another suitable site in the borough. So there is the London premium as mentioned in the OP, but it is a very small plot and I can't see why it would be worth £150m-200m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 Problem with Fulham is that they have a very small plot of land. A few years ago, they tried to grab some of Bishop's Park (behind the Putney end stands). They said that they would astro turf it and do this and that, which was generally thought to be nothing short of land grab. There are a lot of lawyers and QCs who live around there, and it was quashed quick smart. Then there were plans to build over the Thames and that was quashed just as quickly. The Cottage is Grade 1 listed (I believe), so Fulham are pretty much stuck with that stadium and cannot really expand. I guess that they might be able to double the height of the stands, but the last time this was proposed, the locals weren't overly enthusiastic. There have also been rumours of moving, but that would involve moving quite a way away as there isn't another suitable site in the borough. They were given planning permission in July 2012 to build this at Craven Cottage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 Looks a bit like Huddersfields ground squashed in on the thames! Pretty cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 Looks a bit like Huddersfields ground squashed in on the thames! Pretty cool... Its not entirely new, an extra tier is placed on the existing stand and a new facade is added with extra room for corporate, offices etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 Ahhh, makes sense as there is a bit of a limit to what they can do with the place really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 The Egyptian shopkeeper might well intimate that as the price he is looking for, but the situation is the same as if one was buying a carpet in a Cairo bazaar. It's an opening gambit to ascertain whether anybody is stupid enough to agree to it, but the expectation is that the selling price would be much lower. Mind you, when it comes to buying football clubs in the Premiership, there are always some Arabs with more money than sense and Russian mafia looking to launder money, so who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghq Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 It's all you need to know about a London club that sells half of one of its stands as a "neutral fans" section... Oh and I think he's having a laugh at that price, squad isn't hugely valuable, stadium is worth a fair bit as a bit of property (nice bit of london) but it's not worth a lot as a football stadium (steeped in history but no room for expansion) and their general facilities are pretty average as a club. Despite being in L1 the £30m spent to buy us looks a better investment. Has the amount paid to buy Saints ever been confirmed? 13m was being quoted early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 MLG, missed that. Used to live under 1 mile away but moved back home a few years ago. Surprised that it would take the capacity from 25.7k to 30k but glad that they can do that, rather than have to move as it's always better if clubs can stay where they have developed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 Has the amount paid to buy Saints ever been confirmed? 13m was being quoted early on.That was the much quoted original price. We also paid a premium to Aviva upon promotion to the PL; for some reason I have a figure of £4M in mind, not sure whether that's accurate. Whatever, the price that was paid was an absolute bargain at the time, even for an L1 club. To now be a PL club enjoying the enormous TV riches on offer, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we were valued easily in excess of £100M; revenues for one year alone almost hit that figure, and guranteed revenues are a decent starting point when it comes to valuing any company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 To put Fulham and Saints into perspective, one of the prospective shirt sponsors Saints were talking to we're FXPro. FXPro pay £10m a season to Fulham; they weren't prepared to pay more than £1.5m to Saints. Don't think for one second Saints is valued anywhere near to Fulham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 I guess the obvious solution would be for Fulham to buy Chelseas ground when Chelsea moves. However I suspect that the commercial value of SB would be too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 Has the amount paid to buy Saints ever been confirmed? 13m was being quoted early on. I knew the number has a 3 in it... £13m sounds more sensible for a L1 club at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 Not surprised Fulham are worth a lot, they're well established now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ant Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 According to Transfermarkt, our playing staff's value is approximately £84,000,000. Seems inflated to me, but I would say a valuation of roughly £80m for the club's assets combined (including stadium, training facilities, land owned and so on) sounds perfectly reasonable. Even given the money the Liebherr estate has ploughed in and the loans they essentially wrote off, that's one hell of a return for four years of ownership. Assuming we don't inflate our wage bill too far, the bottom doesn't fall out of the subscription TV market and we can stay in the Premier League for a few years, there's every chance the profit margin will continue to rise (albeit at a much slower rate). That's without considering Academy products and the rising stock of our best young first team players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 According to Transfermarkt, our playing staff's value is approximately £84,000,000. Seems inflated to me, but I would say a valuation of roughly £80m for the club's assets combined (including stadium, training facilities, land owned and so on) sounds perfectly reasonable. Even given the money the Liebherr estate has ploughed in and the loans they essentially wrote off, that's one hell of a return for four years of ownership. Assuming we don't inflate our wage bill too far, the bottom doesn't fall out of the subscription TV market and we can stay in the Premier League for a few years, there's every chance the profit margin will continue to rise (albeit at a much slower rate). That's without considering Academy products and the rising stock of our best young first team players. Was thinking about this earlier - player values - how much did we pay for our starting eleven on an individual basis last season and how much are they worth now with one years PL experience? Probably one for MLG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Le Taxi Posted 10 July, 2013 Share Posted 10 July, 2013 According to Transfermarkt, our playing staff's value is approximately £84,000,000. Seems inflated to me, but I would say a valuation of roughly £80m for the club's assets combined (including stadium, training facilities, land owned and so on) sounds perfectly reasonable. Even given the money the Liebherr estate has ploughed in and the loans they essentially wrote off, that's one hell of a return for four years of ownership. Assuming we don't inflate our wage bill too far, the bottom doesn't fall out of the subscription TV market and we can stay in the Premier League for a few years, there's every chance the profit margin will continue to rise (albeit at a much slower rate). That's without considering Academy products and the rising stock of our best young first team players. bottom not falling out of the subscription tv market is the key point here, in my view it already has, what with iraq goals tv or whatever its called, how many local pubs still show sky? how many private customers? i for one have relinquished sky sports in favour of streaming, so have a very significant portion of my friends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 bottom not falling out of the subscription tv market is the key point here, in my view it already has, what with iraq goals tv or whatever its called, how many local pubs still show sky? how many private customers? i for one have relinquished sky sports in favour of streaming, so have a very significant portion of my friends! Erm, you'd think Sky would be more reserved with their investment in live matches if all their customers will leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 July, 2013 Share Posted 11 July, 2013 FWIW when Sky Sports News were discussing it earlier they had some football finance bloke on (a Fulham fan "for the last 20 years" but clearly at least 60) and he said the reason the asking price is £200m is because other than Man U with their Glazer debt, Fulham is the Prem club with the highest amount secured against it, and the £200m would cover the cost of all of those loans, debts and guarantees. i.e. Mr. Fayed wants to sell up and get someone else to cover the cost of all of Fulham's debt too. It wouldn't just be Mo' money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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