Saint Martini Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 We've been linked with three players in the media so far and we've signed Lovren but there's one thing that seems to be missing for me and that's a winger. Last winter we tried to sign Countinho which (to me) at the time didn't seem like the highest priority but the transfercommity decided otherwise. But now we've not been linked to anyone at all that can play on the wing and to be fair I'd say that at least one more winger should be a higher priority then an attacker. We've got Lallana and Puncheon as our starters with Ramirez, Rodriguez, Mayuka, Guly and de Ridder as backups. Eventhough Ramirez and Rodriguez are really good players their best position is not on the wing and of the other three only Mayuka has the potential to become a decent PL player. I really hope we're getting another winger otherwise an injury to Lallana or Puncheon will hit us really hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 I think Lallana, JayRod, Puncheon, Ramirez, Guly and Mayuka are all decent options on the wing. De Ridder will leave. You may look at it as a case of only one or two of those players being natural wingers, but I see it as having a versatile and easy to utilise squad. Agree that we should sign a quality winger though, somebody like Lens who's good at cutting inside with a goal threat and pace to burn. Like an amalgamation of Punch & Mayuka! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 All seems quiet on the Stoch/Bueno fronts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 The problem is we don't have anyone that can beat anyone wide, Puncheon and Lallana can beat their men cutting inside Michael and Rodriguez has been at his most effective doing that. Ramriez has been ineffectual out wide and Mayuka ineffectual full stop. We don't need someone else who can cut inside, we need a player who can beat a man out wide. The only ones who can do this at the moment are our full backs when they get forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Think a winger is a priority, just behind a striker. Can't expect our fullbacks to keep providing our pace and width (as they have been) without something giving. Its part of the reason we've been so toothless away from home where onus is on defending rather than attacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 The problem is we don't have anyone that can beat anyone wide, Puncheon and Lallana can beat their men cutting inside Michael and Rodriguez has been at his most effective doing that. Ramriez has been ineffectual out wide and Mayuka ineffectual full stop. We don't need someone else who can cut inside, we need a player who can beat a man out wide. The only ones who can do this at the moment are our full backs when they get forward. Thinking about me Turkish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Thinking about me Turkish? I was actually replying to you but I forget to quote you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 The problem is we don't have anyone that can beat anyone wide, Puncheon and Lallana can beat their men cutting inside Michael and Rodriguez has been at his most effective doing that. Ramriez has been ineffectual out wide and Mayuka ineffectual full stop. We don't need someone else who can cut inside, we need a player who can beat a man out wide. The only ones who can do this at the moment are our full backs when they get forward. I think your last point is key. It doesn't feel like MP is particularly keen on wide midfielders, I think he prefers having defenders in Wing Back roles whilst leaving the advanced midfielder roles for more creative players playing quite narrow, hence why he constantly preferred Lallana over Puncheon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 I think your last point is key. It doesn't feel like MP is particularly keen on wide midfielders, I think he prefers having defenders in Wing Back roles whilst leaving the advanced midfielder roles for more creative players playing quite narrow, hence why he constantly preferred Lallana over Puncheon. Which is fine at home, but as Shurlock said, away from home when we are defending more it means we have little width going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 I was actually replying to you but I forget to quote you. Ah, I see. I'm not too sure that we need that kind of "get to the byline and cross it" type of winger, don't think they would fit into our style of play. We're quite reliant on players coming into the middle and providing more bodies around the box along with the more advanced midfielders and the striker. Our crossing game hasn't been particularly successful at this level, mostly because of the higher calibre of defender that Rickie has come up against. It's good to have options in the squad but I think Puncheon can put in a decent ball as can both of our full-backs. The priority for me is more of a goal threat from midfield. Puncheon is very effective at cutting in and having a shot but we need somebody to be scoring 10 of those a season, not one or two until their form dips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Turkish Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Ah, I see. I'm not too sure that we need that kind of "get to the byline and cross it" type of winger, don't think they would fit into our style of play. We're quite reliant on players coming into the middle and providing more bodies around the box along with the more advanced midfielders and the striker. Our crossing game hasn't been particularly successful at this level, mostly because of the higher calibre of defender that Rickie has come up against. It's good to have options in the squad but I think Puncheon can put in a decent ball as can both of our full-backs. The priority for me is more of a goal threat from midfield. Puncheon is very effective at cutting in and having a shot but we need somebody to be scoring 10 of those a season, not one or two until their form dips. We need someone who can do both, None of our current wide players can beat a man on the outside, they all cut in which made us very narrow and predictable at times last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 We saw Shaw and Clyne playing very advanced at times last season though, so having wingers that like to cut inside can be a good way to capitalise on their ability to overlap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 9 July, 2013 Share Posted 9 July, 2013 The problem is we don't have anyone that can beat anyone wide, Puncheon and Lallana can beat their men cutting inside Michael and Rodriguez has been at his most effective doing that. Ramriez has been ineffectual out wide and Mayuka ineffectual full stop. We don't need someone else who can cut inside, we need a player who can beat a man out wide. The only ones who can do this at the moment are our full backs when they get forward. Were you at the Spurs game by any chance? Beat his man ON THE OUTSIDE on several occasions playing wide, drawing a foul from (was it Vertognhen?) eventually after running the poor defender ragged in a fifteen minute cameo. Mayuka will take the premier league by storm next season. Mark my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 July, 2013 Share Posted 9 July, 2013 Were you at the Spurs game by any chance? Beat his man ON THE OUTSIDE on several occasions playing wide, drawing a foul from (was it Vertognhen?) eventually after running the poor defender ragged in a fifteen minute cameo. Mayuka will take the premier league by storm next season. Mark my words. 15 good minutes in a whole season, what a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 9 July, 2013 Share Posted 9 July, 2013 15 good minutes in a whole season, what a player. Yep, he was given opportunity after opportunity and game after game to prove his worth and still failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 9 July, 2013 Share Posted 9 July, 2013 Scott Sinclar please NC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 July, 2013 Share Posted 9 July, 2013 Yep, he was given opportunity after opportunity and game after game to prove his worth and still failed. Why do you think that was? Did we need to give Tommy Forecast a run of games to prove he was good enough to be a premier league goalkeeper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 9 July, 2013 Share Posted 9 July, 2013 We will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 9 July, 2013 Share Posted 9 July, 2013 Why do you think that was? Did we need to give Tommy Forecast a run of games to prove he was good enough to be a premier league goalkeeper? The lad's only "bad" performance I recall was against Sunderland (and at Leeds, apparently). Other than that he was between solid (i.e. above average) to VERY impressive (aforementioned Spurs). Never put a foot wrong in the very few times he was called upon. On a performance-to-appearance ratio he beats Ramirez, the darling of SWF, in almost every category and by some margin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 July, 2013 Share Posted 9 July, 2013 The lad's only "bad" performance I recall was against Sunderland (and at Leeds, apparently). Other than that he was between solid (i.e. above average) to VERY impressive (aforementioned Spurs). Never put a foot wrong in the very few times he was called upon. On a performance-to-appearance ratio he beats Ramirez, the darling of SWF, in almost every category and by some margin. why didn't Adkins or MP pick him for months and months and month then? Why did he only get one start all season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 9 July, 2013 Share Posted 9 July, 2013 why didn't Adkins or MP pick him for months and months and month then? Why did he only get one start all season? Same can be said for Forren. But the lad's a Norwegian international and cost a whopping £4m! So apparently he is first choice CB next season and Yoshida/Lovren have to battle it out for his partnership... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 July, 2013 Share Posted 9 July, 2013 Same can be said for Forren. But the lad's a Norwegian international and cost a whopping £4m! So apparently he is first choice CB next season and Yoshida/Lovren have to battle it out for his partnership... if he is so good why did not one but two manager not pick him, come on 110, you're the one say the lad only had one bad game last season. And you're using the Forren logic, so lets apply that with Mayuka, that we signed a player in August 2012, didnt play him because we were signing him to play the following season did we?? Signed him a whole season before we needed him. You're not very good at this are you. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 9 July, 2013 Share Posted 9 July, 2013 if he is so good why did not one but two manager not pick him, come on 110, you're the one say the lad only had one bad game last season. And you're using the Forren logic, so lets apply that with Mayuka, that we signed a player in August 2012, didnt play him because we were signing him to play the following season did we?? Signed him a whole season before we needed him. You're not very good at this are you. :lol: Do I sense a closet racist? Unless Mayuka made out with your woman, that is the only logical conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 July, 2013 Share Posted 9 July, 2013 Do I sense a closet racist? Unless Mayuka made out with your woman, that is the only logical conclusion. awful, awful attempt. 1/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 9 July, 2013 Share Posted 9 July, 2013 awful, awful attempt. 1/10. Attempt at what? Trolling? Least of my worries. Convincing you Mayuka is a decent player? Already given up on that. Sounding clever? Wasn't trying to be. I gave myself a . What am I so bad at that I only get a 1/10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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