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I'd keep Shaw out if Vertonghen's playing left back but he'd compete for a place, sure. Schneiderlin the same - could probably fit in but Dembele and Sandro are tough players to beat. Anyway, let those three in and you're still nowhere close to preferring Saints 'player for player'. Most of our first team would be strong options from the bench for them.

 

If Spurs sell Bale for the huge fees that are being talked about (£60-80m) then I think they're capable of improving without him. You can't replace a player like him but that is so much money, and they've proven with Modric that they can move on without previously vital players. The danger for them is if they sell him late in the window, so they don't have the time to reinvest smartly. For my money I think he'll stay there another season anyway.

 

Shaw is a better left back than Vertonghen, he's a centre-back who happens to be left footed so will cover there. I'm hoping Forren is a little like Vertonghen, building form the back, initiating attacks etc.

 

Shaw IMO is also already a better left back than BAE, and certainly will be in the future. Schneiderlin would play in Sandros position, he's close but at the moment I'd go with the Brazilian.

 

The thing with Bale and Suarez is that both of them are head an shoulders above the rest of their squad. You could take Lambert out of our team and we would suffer from it but he's one of our better players, not hands down the best player in our squad by a country mile.

 

They are also both players who can literally score goals from nothing, not from good team play or defensive mistakes, they can literally score a goal out of nothing that will change a game. Bale did it to us, he did it to West Ham as well. He was the difference that turned their defeats into draws and draws into wins. Suarez the same but in a different style. IIRC Bale scored 7 goals from outside the box last year, more than Messi. You can't really defend against what he did against some teams last year, yeh you can close him down a bit quicker, maybe show him onto his weaker foot. At the end of the day though when he pings one into the top corner form 35 yards to win a game you just have to applaud the talent. Take that away Spurs aren't the same team, again same with Suarez, that goal he scored against Newcastle I think only a handful of people in the history of the game could pull off.

 

Neither team can replace them either, not without champions league football, so yes without them they would have a decent amount of cash they would have a few more very good players rather than one outstanding player. Both teams would suffer points wise, so Wes is correct we aren't that far away in squad terms from either Spurs or Liverpool if they loose Bale and Suarez.

 

If we continue to correct a few of our weakest positions like we have done with Lovren we'll close that gap a bit more.

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Bale would sell for c£40m. Add £40m of new talent to Spurs team and Im pretty sure they would still be light years ahead of us.

It was only a few weeks ago that articles everywhere were saying "£100m won't buy Bale". He's not leaving Spurs any time soon.

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Neither team can replace them either, not without champions league football, so yes without them they would have a decent amount of cash they would have a few more very good players rather than one outstanding player. Both teams would suffer points wise, so Wes is correct we aren't that far away in squad terms from either Spurs or Liverpool if they loose Bale and Suarez.

 

If we continue to correct a few of our weakest positions like we have done with Lovren we'll close that gap a bit more.

 

Robin Van Persie is undoubtedly one of those game-changing players - Arsenal lost him, everyone thought they'd struggle without him and guess what? They still made the Champions League and finished on more points this season than last, when Van Persie was in the form of his life. They didn't even spend masses of money to do it. Spurs and Liverpool could slump without Bale or Suarez but it's no guarantee. A lot of teams prosper when they don't have to rely on one player - Liverpool did at the end of the season and I reckon we might too, if we get a striker in to share the load with Lambert.

 

PS why are Spurshampton playing in a 4-4-2?

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Robin Van Persie is undoubtedly one of those game-changing players - Arsenal lost him, everyone thought they'd struggle without him and guess what? They still made the Champions League and finished on more points this season than last, when Van Persie was in the form of his life. They didn't even spend masses of money to do it. Spurs and Liverpool could slump without Bale or Suarez but it's no guarantee. A lot of teams prosper when they don't have to rely on one player - Liverpool did at the end of the season and I reckon we might too, if we get a striker in to share the load with Lambert.

 

PS why are Spurshampton playing in a 4-4-2?

 

 

Disagree, Van Persie is a quality striker and will score goals wherever he is, goals out of nothing though? not as much as Suarez or Bale. Also Arsenal added Corzola, who at £16 million was a quality buy and they saw Wilshere return last year who had been out the whole year previously. Yeh I suppose either Liverpool or Spurs could do that and find a bit of gem to cover the loss, both squads are decent enough not to slump but I think both would see their points total dropped.

 

Shaw in place of Assou-Ekotto?

 

Don't get me wrong I love the lad but he is seriously overrated around here. :facepalm:

 

Shaw is better than BAE, one of the weakest areas of their team IMO.

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Disagree, Van Persie is a quality striker and will score goals wherever he is, goals out of nothing though? not as much as Suarez or Bale.

 

I dunno, if we're taking Suarez v Newcastle then

has got to be up there in terms of control and technique, as does this. I don't think you can argue that Van Persie was less important to Arsenal than Bale or Suarez are to their clubs at the moment. Everyone's calling United a one-man team now, for goodness' sake!
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So Shaw and Schneiderlin not good enough to make the Spurs team? You're having a laugh, aren't you? Without Bale, Spurs would have been 21 points lighter in 8th position. The rest of their team only managed 37 goals between them. I wouldn't be creaming myself particularly if we were in for Defoe, Adebayor and Dempsey up front. I'd also have Cork in there alongside Schneiderlin too, but Wanyama if we got him would also have me preferring our midfield to theirs.

 

 

Just want to check.

 

We've established you think Lambert would be piece-of-p*ss easy to replace.

 

Does the same apply to, say, Morgan then? Is he easy to replace for us?

 

If no, how many league points can we lop off Saints total for the season without him, to balance out your Spurs-without-Bale tally.

 

(after all, Lamberts goals didn't contribute to our season. Any old striker would have done the same. So was it Morgan?)

 

 

If yes, and he is just as easy to replace as Lambert, doesn't that ever so slightly weaken your argument that we are a gnats knacker away from Champions League Spurs?

 

 

Because either we have a super-special megateam breathing down the necks of the top six, or we have a team of easily replacable ten-a-penny journeymen.

 

Which is it?

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Actually, as I indicated earlier, I couldnt give a f**king sh*t anymore.

 

The happy clappies will be sneering at the impatience of others,

 

A bunch of utter deluded bigots....

 

Good oh, does that mean you won't be posting any more?

 

If you call other people "happy clappies" can we call you a bed-wetter?

 

If you call people "utter deluded bigots" can we call you likewise, and add "fat alpine" in front...?

 

I know you're a bit obtuse Alpine, but do you never, ever stop to contemplate how you come over on here? Leaving opinions aside you are one of the most offensive and negative people on this board, in my opinion, and it really takes a lot to make me arsed enough to write.

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This thread seems to sum up all that is fricken weird with this forum.... First up even the op question is strange... When you go back to the last time in the prem, what was the biggest forum criticism of Lowe et al? 'Show some ****ing ambition' .... Seems like some of you live in a fantasy land where you expect everything and every chairman to be the perfect one... Listening to the 'voice' of the the fan, whilst doing everything else to the highest level of satisfaction... Some of us live in the real world where nobody is perfect. Cortese ain't ... Live with it FFS.

 

He gets the shirt wrong, irritates with parking charges... Fair enough, bad form... But FFS, criticising because he is looking to improve the profile and quality of the team? He has managed to convince the owners of the value in investing, both previously and recently... Is ambitious, and wants to see the club progress to levels conventional prem wisdom says is beyond our level... How the feck is this a bad ideal?

 

Whether he succeeds or not, we can't predict but how can any fan not be at least happy with the ideal?

 

on this forum we have some fricken odd individuals. Alps, you are either on the mother of all wind ups, or need some help. It's football, and in real life, you can't have everything you want. Santa does not exist mate. Reality is that NC is doing it his way, as Lowe did... What is better for the club? Stripes and Delap, or ****e red and going after 20mil signings?

 

'Why can't we have both, why should they be mutually exclusive?' Because that is fricken life and nothing is ever perfect... Grown ups know about this....

 

Then we have the really weird. Those who either don't have a job, or whose boss thinks its fine for them to spend all day on every thread responding with sarcasm and never being satisfied until they get a bite, or irritate. How fricken sad, and I mean that with sympathy, that there are some folk who must have realised their lives will never get any more pleasurable, than irritating folk on a web forum... I feel sorry for you...

 

Every club will get some transfers spot on, others will fail. Fact of life, same at Saints... Ferguson gets in Forlan and Jemba Jemba and its no issue, we get Mayuka and Forren, and suddenly we have a ****e transfer policy before they even get a chance... And maybe strangest of all is the apparent pleasure this gives the few to point out failings... Seriously some of you need therapy, to get laid, or even just have a real conversation.

 

Perhaps Forest or Villa should go for these 'unrealistic' signings, after all they have a history do European cup wins?

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Oh, back to the football... I've seen very little of Bale, (not since he was a kid anyway:-) ), but he is one level above his team mates. Although I don't think it's always very profitable to speculate about a team with/without one particular player there is no doubt, going by the dodgy thread of our game against Spuds I watched, he is a match winner, no doubt at all.

 

We'll see, no doubt, but I think he'll be replaced by better team performances rather than a more effective individual.

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This thread seems to sum up all that is fricken weird with this forum.... First up even the op question is strange... When you go back to the last time in the prem, what was the biggest forum criticism of Lowe et al? 'Show some ****ing ambition' .... Seems like some of you live in a fantasy land where you expect everything and every chairman to be the perfect one... Listening to the 'voice' of the the fan, whilst doing everything else to the highest level of satisfaction... Some of us live in the real world where nobody is perfect. Cortese ain't ... Live with it FFS.

 

He gets the shirt wrong, irritates with parking charges... Fair enough, bad form... But FFS, criticising because he is looking to improve the profile and quality of the team? He has managed to convince the owners of the value in investing, both previously and recently... Is ambitious, and wants to see the club progress to levels conventional prem wisdom says is beyond our level... How the feck is this a bad ideal?

 

Whether he succeeds or not, we can't predict but how can any fan not be at least happy with the ideal?

 

on this forum we have some fricken odd individuals. Alps, you are either on the mother of all wind ups, or need some help. It's football, and in real life, you can't have everything you want. Santa does not exist mate. Reality is that NC is doing it his way, as Lowe did... What is better for the club? Stripes and Delap, or ****e red and going after 20mil signings?

 

'Why can't we have both, why should they be mutually exclusive?' Because that is fricken life and nothing is ever perfect... Grown ups know about this....

 

Then we have the really weird. Those who either don't have a job, or whose boss thinks its fine for them to spend all day on every thread responding with sarcasm and never being satisfied until they get a bite, or irritate. How fricken sad, and I mean that with sympathy, that there are some folk who must have realised their lives will never get any more pleasurable, than irritating folk on a web forum... I feel sorry for you...

 

Every club will get some transfers spot on, others will fail. Fact of life, same at Saints... Ferguson gets in Forlan and Jemba Jemba and its no issue, we get Mayuka and Forren, and suddenly we have a ****e transfer policy before they even get a chance... And maybe strangest of all is the apparent pleasure this gives the few to point out failings... Seriously some of you need therapy, to get laid, or even just have a real conversation.

 

Perhaps Forest or Villa should go for these 'unrealistic' signings, after all they have a history do European cup wins?

 

Good post.

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Good oh, does that mean you won't be posting any more?

 

If you call other people "happy clappies" can we call you a bed-wetter?

 

If you call people "utter deluded bigots" can we call you likewise, and add "fat alpine" in front...?

 

I know you're a bit obtuse Alpine, but do you never, ever stop to contemplate how you come over on here? Leaving opinions aside you are one of the most offensive and negative people on this board, in my opinion, and it really takes a lot to make me arsed enough to write.

 

On the subject of people who contribute little to this board; Have you ever made a post which isn't either slagging someone off or talking about yourself?

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This thread seems to sum up all that is fricken weird with this forum.... First up even the op question is strange... When you go back to the last time in the prem, what was the biggest forum criticism of Lowe et al? 'Show some ****ing ambition' .... Seems like some of you live in a fantasy land where you expect everything and every chairman to be the perfect one... Listening to the 'voice' of the the fan, whilst doing everything else to the highest level of satisfaction... Some of us live in the real world where nobody is perfect. Cortese ain't ... Live with it FFS.

 

He gets the shirt wrong, irritates with parking charges... Fair enough, bad form... But FFS, criticising because he is looking to improve the profile and quality of the team? He has managed to convince the owners of the value in investing, both previously and recently... Is ambitious, and wants to see the club progress to levels conventional prem wisdom says is beyond our level... How the feck is this a bad ideal?

 

Whether he succeeds or not, we can't predict but how can any fan not be at least happy with the ideal?

 

on this forum we have some fricken odd individuals. Alps, you are either on the mother of all wind ups, or need some help. It's football, and in real life, you can't have everything you want. Santa does not exist mate. Reality is that NC is doing it his way, as Lowe did... What is better for the club? Stripes and Delap, or ****e red and going after 20mil signings?

 

'Why can't we have both, why should they be mutually exclusive?' Because that is fricken life and nothing is ever perfect... Grown ups know about this....

 

Then we have the really weird. Those who either don't have a job, or whose boss thinks its fine for them to spend all day on every thread responding with sarcasm and never being satisfied until they get a bite, or irritate. How fricken sad, and I mean that with sympathy, that there are some folk who must have realised their lives will never get any more pleasurable, than irritating folk on a web forum... I feel sorry for you...

 

Every club will get some transfers spot on, others will fail. Fact of life, same at Saints... Ferguson gets in Forlan and Jemba Jemba and its no issue, we get Mayuka and Forren, and suddenly we have a ****e transfer policy before they even get a chance... And maybe strangest of all is the apparent pleasure this gives the few to point out failings... Seriously some of you need therapy, to get laid, or even just have a real conversation.

 

Perhaps Forest or Villa should go for these 'unrealistic' signings, after all they have a history do European cup wins?

 

Total drivel from start to finish.

 

So many strawmen in such a badly constructed post it's amazing the entire forum hasn't burnt down.

 

 

Frank, if you can, find one person here congratulating Ferguson on signing Djemba-Djemba, or one person demanding Delap back, or anyone wanting stripes but no money on signings.

 

Go and find these "real" people you are ranting against, and have one of your "real conversations" with them instead of boring the arse off the rest of us.

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This thread seems to sum up all that is fricken weird with this forum.... First up even the op question is strange... When you go back to the last time in the prem, what was the biggest forum criticism of Lowe et al? 'Show some ****ing ambition' .... Seems like some of you live in a fantasy land where you expect everything and every chairman to be the perfect one... Listening to the 'voice' of the the fan, whilst doing everything else to the highest level of satisfaction... Some of us live in the real world where nobody is perfect. Cortese ain't ... Live with it FFS.

 

He gets the shirt wrong, irritates with parking charges... Fair enough, bad form... But FFS, criticising because he is looking to improve the profile and quality of the team? He has managed to convince the owners of the value in investing, both previously and recently... Is ambitious, and wants to see the club progress to levels conventional prem wisdom says is beyond our level... How the feck is this a bad ideal?

 

Whether he succeeds or not, we can't predict but how can any fan not be at least happy with the ideal?

 

on this forum we have some fricken odd individuals. Alps, you are either on the mother of all wind ups, or need some help. It's football, and in real life, you can't have everything you want. Santa does not exist mate. Reality is that NC is doing it his way, as Lowe did... What is better for the club? Stripes and Delap, or ****e red and going after 20mil signings?

 

'Why can't we have both, why should they be mutually exclusive?' Because that is fricken life and nothing is ever perfect... Grown ups know about this....

 

Then we have the really weird. Those who either don't have a job, or whose boss thinks its fine for them to spend all day on every thread responding with sarcasm and never being satisfied until they get a bite, or irritate. How fricken sad, and I mean that with sympathy, that there are some folk who must have realised their lives will never get any more pleasurable, than irritating folk on a web forum... I feel sorry for you...

 

Every club will get some transfers spot on, others will fail. Fact of life, same at Saints... Ferguson gets in Forlan and Jemba Jemba and its no issue, we get Mayuka and Forren, and suddenly we have a ****e transfer policy before they even get a chance... And maybe strangest of all is the apparent pleasure this gives the few to point out failings... Seriously some of you need therapy, to get laid, or even just have a real conversation.

 

Perhaps Forest or Villa should go for these 'unrealistic' signings, after all they have a history do European cup wins?

 

You said it Frankie boy.

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Total drivel from start to finish.

 

So many strawmen in such a badly constructed post it's amazing the entire forum hasn't burnt down.

 

 

Frank if you can find one person here congratulating Ferguson on signing Djemba-Djemba, or one person demanding Delap back, or anyone wanting stripes but no money on signings.

 

Go and find these "real" people you are ranting against, and have one of your "real conversations" with them instead of boring the arse off the rest of us.

 

So quick to crawl out your shell and have a pop... The lady does protest too much... You must be fricken high maintenance... The lack of self awareness is breathtaking. Go talk to someone who gives a **** about your opinion.

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Total drivel from start to finish.

 

So many strawmen in such a badly constructed post it's amazing the entire forum hasn't burnt down.

 

 

Frank, if you can, find one person here congratulating Ferguson on signing Djemba-Djemba, or one person demanding Delap back, or anyone wanting stripes but no money on signings.

 

Go and find these "real" people you are ranting against, and have one of your "real conversations" with them instead of boring the arse off the rest of us.

 

I do enjoy a post that claims that its either stripes and relegation or a plain kit and living the dream.

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So quick to crawl out your shell and have a pop... The lady does protest too much... You must be fricken high maintenance... The lack of self awareness is breathtaking. Go talk to someone who gives a **** about your opinion.

 

I'm glad to see yours has improved though, finally acknowledging we have some odd individuals on this forum, well done you.

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Glad you responded so sharpish sunshine' date=' shows the board you recognise yourself instantly.[/quote']

 

Have you been drinking again Francis? Remember what happened last time you came on here worse for wear.

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So quick to crawl out your shell and have a pop... The lady does protest too much... You must be fricken high maintenance... The lack of self awareness is breathtaking. Go talk to someone who gives a **** about your opinion.

 

 

 

So. Well done Fergie on signing Djemba-Djemba. We were all saying it back in the day, we were.

 

Go to bed you nutcase.

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So. Well done Fergie on signing Djemba-Djemba. We were all saying it back in the day, we were.

 

Go to bed you nutcase.

 

He's out of posts now so will have to, I'm sure with a clear head in the morning he'll regret his outburst.

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Just want to check.

 

We've established you think Lambert would be piece-of-p*ss easy to replace.

 

Does the same apply to, say, Morgan then? Is he easy to replace for us?

 

If no, how many league points can we lop off Saints total for the season without him, to balance out your Spurs-without-Bale tally.

 

(after all, Lamberts goals didn't contribute to our season. Any old striker would have done the same. So was it Morgan?)

 

 

If yes, and he is just as easy to replace as Lambert, doesn't that ever so slightly weaken your argument that we are a gnats knacker away from Champions League Spurs?

 

 

Because either we have a super-special megateam breathing down the necks of the top six, or we have a team of easily replacable ten-a-penny journeymen.

 

Which is it?

 

You edited this post and you also edited the response to Frank's and still neither of them make any sense. Have you been on the juice?

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You edited this post and you also edited the response to Frank's and still neither of them make any sense. Have you been on the juice?

 

Right you are sweetheart.

 

You've based your "we're as good as Spurs" routine on arbitrarily removing their best player. Just like you to name our best player that we can remove them from the Saints team to even it up.

 

Do tell.

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Good oh, does that mean you won't be posting any more?

 

If you call other people "happy clappies" can we call you a bed-wetter?

 

If you call people "utter deluded bigots" can we call you likewise, and add "fat alpine" in front...?

 

I know you're a bit obtuse Alpine, but do you never, ever stop to contemplate how you come over on here? Leaving opinions aside you are one of the most offensive and negative people on this board, in my opinion, and it really takes a lot to make me arsed enough to write.

 

Lol at the lecture from the person who put in a "fat" dig, which had nothing to do with the subject :lol:

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This thread seems to sum up all that is fricken weird with this forum.... First up even the op question is strange... When you go back to the last time in the prem' date=' what was the biggest forum criticism of Lowe et al? 'Show some ****ing ambition' .... Seems like some of you live in a fantasy land where you expect everything and every chairman to be the perfect one... Listening to the 'voice' of the the fan, whilst doing everything else to the highest level of satisfaction... Some of us live in the real world where nobody is perfect. [b']Cortese ain't ... Live with it FFS.[/b]

 

He gets the shirt wrong, irritates with parking charges... Fair enough, bad form... But FFS, criticising because he is looking to improve the profile and quality of the team? He has managed to convince the owners of the value in investing, both previously and recently... Is ambitious, and wants to see the club progress to levels conventional prem wisdom says is beyond our level... How the feck is this a bad ideal?

 

Whether he succeeds or not, we can't predict but how can any fan not be at least happy with the ideal?

 

on this forum we have some fricken odd individuals. Alps, you are either on the mother of all wind ups, or need some help. It's football, and in real life, you can't have everything you want. Santa does not exist mate. Reality is that NC is doing it his way, as Lowe did... What is better for the club? Stripes and Delap, or ****e red and going after 20mil signings?

 

'Why can't we have both, why should they be mutually exclusive?' Because that is fricken life and nothing is ever perfect... Grown ups know about this....

 

Then we have the really weird. Those who either don't have a job, or whose boss thinks its fine for them to spend all day on every thread responding with sarcasm and never being satisfied until they get a bite, or irritate. How fricken sad, and I mean that with sympathy, that there are some folk who must have realised their lives will never get any more pleasurable, than irritating folk on a web forum... I feel sorry for you...

 

Every club will get some transfers spot on, others will fail. Fact of life, same at Saints... Ferguson gets in Forlan and Jemba Jemba and its no issue, we get Mayuka and Forren, and suddenly we have a ****e transfer policy before they even get a chance... And maybe strangest of all is the apparent pleasure this gives the few to point out failings... Seriously some of you need therapy, to get laid, or even just have a real conversation.

 

Perhaps Forest or Villa should go for these 'unrealistic' signings, after all they have a history do European cup wins?

 

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Don't listen to these whining bastards, that is a quality post.

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Right you are sweetheart.

 

You've based your "we're as good as Spurs" routine on arbitrarily removing their best player. Just like you to name our best player that we can remove them from the Saints team to even it up.

 

Do tell.

 

Where did I say we were as good as Spurs? This is why I'm not going to reply to your questions, because there is little point. You'll only twist it as you have here. You're not really capable of sensible debate, so I won't waste my time on you. If you're not twisting things, then your other ploy, as in your response to Frank's post, is to throw insults. It's a bit childish and pathetic really.

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Where did I say we were as good as Spurs? This is why I'm not going to reply to your questions, because there is little point. You'll only twist it as you have here. You're not really capable of sensible debate, so I won't waste my time on you. If you're not twisting things, then your other ploy, as in your response to Frank's post, is to throw insults. It's a bit childish and pathetic really.

 

Is it as childish as ripping up your season ticket in a tantrum?

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Where did I say we were as good as Spurs? This is why I'm not going to reply to your questions, because there is little point. You'll only twist it as you have here. You're not really capable of sensible debate, so I won't waste my time on you. If you're not twisting things, then your other ploy, as in your response to Frank's post, is to throw insults. It's a bit childish and pathetic really.

 

 

 

So saying Spurs couldn't possibly replace Bale, but we could replace Lambert easily isn't twisting things?

 

And taking Bale out of the Spurs team and removing all his goals and shed load of points to plummet Spurs down the table isn't twisting things?

 

Keep trying Chubby Checker.

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And us being comparable in terms of quality to Liverpool and Spurs is absolute drivel, more clappers yet again overreaching themselves, there is no justification in that blind statement at all.

 

We was more quality than Liverpool at St. Mary's last season where we raped them using the Southampton Way. shIt's happening!

 

Edit: Believe!

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