DuncanRG Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 There are examples of teams doing well without huge expenditure on players (Arsenal, Everton) and teams splashing cash and getting nowhere with it (QPR, Portsmouth). Money doesn't guarantee success, but it certainly helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Arsenals wage bill is and has been incredible. Regardless of net spend Wage is a better predictor of league position, but that isn't hard to figure out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Also barry, another point against having to spend money to get eurpoean football. go look at arsenals net spend since 08/09... it is one of the lowest in the league, memory fails me but it may even be negative.... Hasn't stopped them getting champions league football. And to look where we have both come from, in 1994/95, pre wenger, we were finishing above them in the league...Its negative because they spend and sell, nothing wrong with that at all, well ask the Arsenal fans and they will disagree as what have they won recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Not trying to sound negative as we've signed a CB already but it does seem like we aren't able to bring in any of the top targets we're linked with. With only 6 or so weeks left (still quite a long time I know) until the start of the new season can't help thinking we should be aiming a tad lower to actually get players in and get them in the squad / training ? The transfer market is quiet slow at the moment, I'd prefer us to hold out for our top targets than sign lesser players for the sake of it. We've got quiet a balanced squad that we should be looking to improve rather than add to. I think all clubs are holding their cards close to their chest as I imagine there's going to be a merry go round of top strikers in this window, no one wants to sell a top asset before they have another lined up so we're caught in a "transfer chain" where if 1 deal collapses it effects multiple other deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Swansea seem to be doing alright with the signings.......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Swansea seem to be doing alright with the signings.......................... Fantastic! They're going to set the Premiership alight with their £8 million expenditure on these European household name players. But I thought that your position was that the clubs who had the costliest squads would end up the highest in the league? But I'm sure that their Chairman is above criticism, because he is probably content to pay bribes to these players' agents to secure them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Swansea seem to be doing alright with the signings.......................... very good point. They have brought in over half a dozen players already. I wonder if some will turn out to be amazing signings too like Michu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Fantastic! They're going to set the Premiership alight with their £8 million expenditure on these European household name players. But I thought that your position was that the clubs who had the costliest squads would end up the highest in the league? But I'm sure that their Chairman is above criticism, because he is probably content to pay bribes to these players' agents to secure them. Well if an unfit Ramirez is worth £12Million how much is Michu worth and how much did they buy him for? I would trust their transfer policy over ours, it speaks for itself, have they a running five year plan for consistent European football, what did they win last year to finish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Fantastic! They're going to set the Premiership alight with their £8 million expenditure on these European household name players. But I thought that your position was that the clubs who had the costliest squads would end up the highest in the league? But I'm sure that their Chairman is above criticism, because he is probably content to pay bribes to these players' agents to secure them. You dont read the news do you Wes? A clapper with no knowledge of Swansea's possible transfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downthe36 Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Just listen to yourselves, clamouring for us to throw money at agents to get our own way. It's the thin end of the wedge, I'm glad the club is exercising financial prudence. Next people will be wanting to pay enormous wages to attract bigger names. Any mug can put together a squad of over paid mercenaries, I'd rather we built the squad on our terms, read "The Parable of the Blue Few" if in any doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Next people will be wanting to pay enormous wages to attract bigger names. Now now, that will never happen at Southampton. read "The Parable of the Blue Few" if in any doubts. ...Nigel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Just listen to yourselves, clamouring for us to throw money at agents to get our own way. It's the thin end of the wedge, I'm glad the club is exercising financial prudence. Next people will be wanting to pay enormous wages to attract bigger names. Any mug can put together a squad of over paid mercenaries, I'd rather we built the squad on our terms, read "The Parable of the Blue Few" if in any doubts. On those terms we will have dignity and I applaud that but we will not qualify for Europe, Everton did it once on the cheap but once and they spent more on players and wages than we did, its a pipe dream to qualify consistenly for Europe on the cheap, it can not be done from the Premiership with the size and financial clout of far larger clubs. Thats realism and where we are at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 You dont read the news do you Wes? A clapper with no knowledge of Swansea's possible transfers. Thee news is full of rumours, Barry. Didn't you notice? Well, we'll have to see whether we finish above them or not, won't we? Possible transfers are what we are after too. But I wasn't aware that their possible transfers were more high-profile than ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Thee news is full of rumours, Barry. Didn't you notice? Well, we'll have to see whether we finish above them or not, won't we? Possible transfers are what we are after too. But I wasn't aware that their possible transfers were more high-profile than ours. They brought some quality there bar Shelvy, laughable that buy but hey ho, you ignored where they finished last year, what they won and who they bought though for the money, convenient that Wes, we buy Ramirez and they get Michu, say no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 I don't get where this idea that we can only conduct negotiations with one club over one player at any given time has come from? Surely the fact that the most prominent links we've heard this summer are Banega, Nainggolan & Wanyama shows that perhaps we are in talks with multiple players at the same time - especially given as the 3 play in a pretty similar role so signing all 3 would be extremely unlikely. So, no, I don't think it is wasting time at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 They brought some quality there bar Shelvy, laughable that buy but hey ho, you ignored where they finished last year, what they won and who they bought though for the money, convenient that Wes, we buy Ramirez and they get Michu, say no more. and hindsight is 20/20 is it not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 They brought some quality there bar Shelvy, laughable that buy but hey ho, you ignored where they finished last year, what they won and who they bought though for the money, convenient that Wes, we buy Ramirez and they get Michu, say no more. Who is this Ramirez guy......is it someone they just in the recent hours has got a last name or is it someone familliar to us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 and hindsight is 20/20 is it not.... So we look into who buys and follows/scouts our players as our record is very very mixed, would you have bought Mayuka, Forren and Ramirez if I could £20 Million now for them? We simply dont have that sort of money to waste but waste it we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 They brought some quality there bar Shelvy, laughable that buy but hey ho, you ignored where they finished last year, what they won and who they bought though for the money, convenient that Wes, we buy Ramirez and they get Michu, say no more. What has where they came last year, or what they won, have anything to do with this coming season? Is citing Michu yet another gaping hole in your assertion that a club must spend mega-bucks if they are serious about qualifying for the CL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 (edited) Who is this Ramirez guy......is it someone they just in the recent hours has got a last name or is it someone familliar to us? Sorry on the plains of Uruguay he is known as the "big Gash"..................... Edited 8 July, 2013 by Barry Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 What has where they came last year, or what they won, have anything to do with this coming season? Is citing Michu yet another gaping hole in your assertion that a club must spend mega-bucks if they are serious about qualifying for the CL? Must spend well, wisely and purchase quality, Michu's wages I suspect are high but you get what you pay for, well unless its us, we get the Gash and Mayuka...................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 So we look into who buys and follows/scouts our players as our record is very very mixed, would you have bought Mayuka, Forren and Ramirez if I could £20 Million now for them? We simply dont have that sort of money to waste but waste it we have. Yes, it is mixed, but then tell me who's isn't? I'd concede that Mayuka has failed to live up to his promise, but again hindsight. Forren is a strange one to be sure, but we don't know how he'll turn out until he plays, maybe he was brought in as backup in case Yoshida failed, who knows And Ramirez I'm not going to write off until Christmas at least... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Must spend well, wisely and purchase quality, Michu's wages I suspect are high but you get what you pay for, well unless its us, we get the Gash and Mayuka...................... It must be an awful experience following such a rubbish team, eh? Thinking of switching your allegiance to Swansea, are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 It must be an awful experience following such a rubbish team, eh? Thinking of switching your allegiance to Swansea, are we? Oh no not at all I simply fully understand where we are at and what it shall take us to progress into the top echelons of English football, you dont, when we fail under Cortese's adventure for European glory on £18.16 will you rip up your season again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_saints Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 if that's the case then why waste time playing in a league we're never going to win, let's just go back down to the championship and try to win that? in all seriousness though, whats the point of getting poorer players in, simply so they can take part in pre-season but do not actually perform during the season. we want the club to buy early, to spend wisely, to acquire quality. the players we buy have to be young, hungry and make an instant impact right from their debuts. we want, we want, we want! if some of us are so upset with the way our club conducts its transfers then go support swansea and worship Michu then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Fingers in plenty of pies, Saints are doing it the right way. When you apply for a job do you just send one application at a time to jobs that you think you are good enough for or do you send out plenty of applications at the same time perhaps to a few that you think are unlikely but might bite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Oh no not at all I simply fully understand where we are at and what it shall take us to progress into the top echelons of English football, you dont, when we fail under Cortese's adventure for European glory on £18.16 will you rip up your season again? Your posts demonstrate otherwise. I've never ripped up my ST, Barry. You must be getting confused; something that appears to happen to you with increasing regularity. I've continued to follow Saints down to the third division and back up again, so why would I stop supporting them now? Lowe isn't returning is he? I'm perfectly happy with what Cortese has brought us, but it seems to be you throwing your toys out of your pram over his shortcomings that appear to be only in your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Your posts demonstrate otherwise. I've never ripped up my ST, Barry. You must be getting confused; something that appears to happen to you with increasing regularity. I've continued to follow Saints down to the third division and back up again, so why would I stop supporting them now? Lowe isn't returning is he? I'm perfectly happy with what Cortese has brought us, but it seems to be you throwing your toys out of your pram over his shortcomings that appear to be only in your head. Are you sure Les? more than one person remembers your angry little outburst with your chubby little fingers tearing at and your red face with veins popping out of your temple as you destroy your ticket in a fit of rage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 if that's the case then why waste time playing in a league we're never going to win, let's just go back down to the championship and try to win that? in all seriousness though, whats the point of getting poorer players in, simply so they can take part in pre-season but do not actually perform during the season. we want the club to buy early, to spend wisely, to acquire quality. the players we buy have to be young, hungry and make an instant impact right from their debuts. we want, we want, we want! if some of us are so upset with the way our club conducts its transfers then go support swansea and worship Michu then! Thats the point, we will never win the Premiership under these current free market rules, not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Are you sure Les? more than one person remembers your angry little outburst with your chubby little fingers tearing at and your red face with veins popping out of your temple as you destroy your ticket in a fit of rage. You see I wasn't on the forum to read this piece of gold but I was informed of this, its a cracker, Wes in a fit of rage tearing up his season ticket in the lounge whilst his dog looks in in total confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 You see I wasn't on the forum to read this piece of gold but I was informed of this, its a cracker, Wes in a fit of rage tearing up his season ticket in the lounge whilst his dog looks in in total confusion. You and Dorkish believe what you like. I assure you that I didn't tear up my ST at any time in the past in a fit of rage. If you don't believe me, then I'm not about to lose any sleep over it. It's only you two after all, not anybody I have any respect for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 You and Dorkish believe what you like. I assure you that I didn't tear up my ST at any time in the past in a fit of rage. If you don't believe me, then I'm not about to lose any sleep over it. It's only you two after all, not anybody I have any respect for. :lol: It gets funnier every time les I'm no surprised you're denying it, it's pretty embarassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Wes you are a one :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Another thread ruined by the tag-team bullying of Sanchez and Turkish. Pathetic really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Another thread ruined by the tag-team bullying of Sanchez and Turkish. Pathetic really. how is it ruined? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Another thread ruined by the tag-team bullying of Sanchez and Turkish. Pathetic really. Bullying? I get hammered on here and yet I never whinge or moan, I am also only expressing an opinion which may or not be popular but thats not the point is it, how is this bullying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Another thread ruined by the tag-team bullying of Sanchez and Turkish. Pathetic really. The troll feeders are just as bad as the trolls themselves. Most folks don't realise that unfortunately... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintadjg Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 God forbid we try to push on to the next level.Only way we will step up is by signing better players .Please enough with the small club mentality,that ended with Lowe. I dont know if you've been paying attention the last few years but believe it or not SFC is different animal now.I for one admire The Dons drive and ambition.Enjoy the ride guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Personally, I am fed up and very, very, VERY bored of the ritual f**king circus that goes on every summer. And at the abuse I get for expressing my exasperation at it. We will sign the players - and they will perform, or do a Gashton - or we wont. As a result, we will go down, or we wont. Not much more to say, I reckon. Except to express a doubt about the grasp on the realities of the transfer market that our "transfer committee" seems to have. I have kept very quiet this year....because I knew it would be the same old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 The troll feeders are just as bad as the trolls themselves. Most folks don't realise that unfortunately... This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 The troll feeders are just as bad as the trolls themselves. Most folks don't realise that unfortunately... I know I was being sarcastic. Those two are a credit to the forum and humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 I wonder how long it takes to ask an agent if a player is seriously interested? Half hour? Not going to pick up points made purely for attention with their annual misunderstanding of transfer windows but three quick points which make me chilled; 1) current squad is good enough for top half finish, particularly considering that our first choice outfield ten are still approaching peak age except RL. 2) We have moved forward better than any other club over last 6 odd transfer windows. 3) people moan about steady squad signings, this is the alternative - seeking gems to improve first 11. Good season to look forward to. (Someone explain to you know who when most transfers are done and that we have already signed international CB ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 (edited) Not trying to sound negative as we've signed a CB already but it does seem like we aren't able to bring in any of the top targets we're linked with. With only 6 or so weeks left (still quite a long time I know) until the start of the new season can't help thinking we should be aiming a tad lower to actually get players in and get them in the squad / training ? I wouldn't say "wasting time " but such a lot has happened in such a short time at SMS, and few people really see the " visionary part" of things in the same way that Cortese and MP speak about it. Pochettino's targets aren't the same as Adkins (would have been I'm sure). MP sees who " he thinks " is needed to add to the squad, and knows the players that he'd like to sign (and money is - almost no object ATM) The " problem " may be down to a number of things (reading between the lines) with (a) Some foreign players who look at the Prem.table and ask themselves " who are Southampton, and why did they finish so low in the table?". (b) S.American / Latin players who think Prem football is (only) in the north of England, and will only consider joining what they think is " the best ", or © agents who are playing both sides against the middle (as with on-off Celtic deal) and are looking to line their own pockets at the expense of their player. there may also be a.... d, e, and f factor for all I know, but there is still 5/6 weeks before things start to get serious, so I'm not unduly concerned. The worst part of the waiting is the many sites / hack journalists / twitter "twits " who are trying to "scoop " a story, and in the meantime some fans are reading everything as Gospel and getting frustrated into the bargain. Edited 8 July, 2013 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 I'm tutting at you Turkish. I thought you knew better than to pick on the smaller boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 I don't see any resolution. Just seems to be people's disposition. Probably the same at all clubs. Some want loads of signings, quick as possible, but even then would be worried if there weren't more up until the last minute. But if there are, they'll be worried they were signed too late. There's no situation where they'd say 'that was all done right', and no situation where they won't be able to say 'see, I was right'. Same every time, you can always sign different players, have signed them earlier, they'll be a player doing well elsewhere to say 'should have signed him'. All hindsight and lack of any knowledge of football business. These people think you're defending the club, being all positive, but it has nothing to do with it, I'm not even specifically talking about Southampton, merely the fact that their repeated point doesn't fit together, contradicts every 5 minutes and involved zero insight or research. Where does it end? You win a league, you have a world class squad, but you stress you won't maintain it, you need to sign someone you have even less chance of getting, you need to sign them early, you only finish 2nd....'told you so'. It's more strange that these people talk about 'we', 'the club' etc and 'always doing this' when each summer has been different. Different leagues, objectives, squads, requirements, targets, financials, managers, owners. Who are you blaming with this 'we'? The only constant is the fans. Do the fans not sign the right people quick enough for your liking? What exactly is it you're talking about? Is it specifically Cortese? If so then we need more detail about what you know he's doing, what's wrong with it, what specifically you'd be doing different. I don't know much about him, don't like some decisions, worry about some comments on him while accepting rumours are often bullsh1t. Yet we've got the past 4 years of transfers right. We rebuilt completely for a season, then didn't need much, got promotion and still didn't need that much but made sensible signings again to get promotion again. Then signed players to improve us and produce a team more than capable of staying up, stupidly easily in the end given the appalling start. We quickly improved on a weak area and are clearly looking to improve on others to standards higher than ever before. What on earth would upset people about that? Too much money spent? Attracting people here just for the money? I get that, it does lose something, success comes at the soul of the club to some degree. But I don't see complaints about that, just bizarre obsessive and desperate need to moan and say you were right later on. Then quickly get back to 'we're not allowed to say anything negative are we' and turn any debate in primary school, meaning people with genuinely decent yet negative points gets lost in the childish noise. It's barely even any football so much as a few disturbed characters. Nothing a more effective block option facebook style wouldn't fix. There you go again. Coming on this forum talking sense. We're not ready for it, you know. Honestly, people can sign players on their computers at a click of a mouse. Why can't our club do the same? Here I am running my multi-million pound business empire and still finding time to post all day on here yet those clowns running our club can't even bring in international footballers. It's a disgrace I tell you. I blame Cortese. And Reed. And Pochettino. And Francis Benali. And Mark Lawrenson. It's a conspiracy of incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 It is getting worrying. I admire the ambition of Cortese and the club to try and target players like Damiao, but we're simply not at that level yet to compete with the likes of Napoli or any other Champions League side. Having said that, none of us really know what's going on behind the scenes, we have to assume there are other targets in mind who might not have even been mentioned on this forum.What's more concerning in my opinion, is the fact the other two heavily linked players, Banega and Wanyama, are both central midfielders. Are we wasting time going for players to add to what is arguably the strongest area of the team? Not fussed about Wanyama but Banega would be an incredible signing and we might have a chance of pulling it off. In serious need of another right back, a wide player and a striker though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 It is getting worrying ... Are we wasting time going for players to add to what is arguably the strongest area of the team? Banega would be an incredible signing and we might have a chance of pulling it off. Yes and yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 What does a realistic signing look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Glasgow_Saint Posted 8 July, 2013 Share Posted 8 July, 2013 Now the SWF massive want us to bid for Romelu Lukaku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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