The Met Police and Madeline Mccann

[Viking Warrior]

Talking of the Met Police.

have the Officers in Plebgate been exonerated ?

 

Taking on Board Paps conspiracy theories is it just coincindental crime watch and the met police involvement with the programme has been given so much air time , just happened to be at the time the Plebgate announcement was to be made.

 

Deflect a negative Met police story (Plebgate) by swamping the news about Madeline McCanns investigation.

[pap]

Talking of the Met Police.

have the Officers in Plebgate been exonerated ?

 

Taking on Board Paps conspiracy theories is it just coincindental crime watch and the met police involvement with the programme has been given so much air time , just happened to be at the time the Plebgate announcement was to be made.

 

Deflect a negative Met police story (Plebgate) by swamping the news about Madeline McCanns investigation.

 

You don't have to a conspiracy theorist to recognise that even in an age of 24 hour news, we're still playing to the half-hour format. Editorial discretion should therefore be taken as read. That being the case, there is always some kind of agenda, and the phrase "good day to bury bad news" has been with us for over a decade. The practice has been around a lot longer.

Edited 16 October, 2013 by pap

[JackFrost]

But what caring responsible parent would go out and leave their children alone in a flat, I certainly would not. If I was on holiday with my children they came out with me at ALL times.

 

In this case, by instinct I couldn't let my opinion of their parenting or feelings towards their social status cloud my judgement. I had to deal with the cold hard facts as they were established and focus on finding the girl, and at that point I wouldn't give a toss about how good or bad parents they were.

 

With child abandonment you're talking about the intention to relinquish your parental responsibilities permanently, with the knowledge that the child could potentially come to serious harm as a result. Leaving kids in a warm comfortable hotel room for 35 minutes (can't prove it was otherwise) whilst they ate dinner 50 metres away is careless parenting and not child abandonment.

 

When Madeleine went missing, they played the media like a violin and turned her into ''Britain's missing Princess'. One of the facts about life is that money talks and couple that with Madeleine's physical appearance, the parents were always going to exploit the media to the full. To be fair I can't blame them because the media is the most powerful force in the world when it comes to informing people and influencing people's opinions. The fact that this is one of god knows how many missing children out there who is getting 99% of the press coverage is one of the sad facts of life but the reason it's the case boils down to money. The "Find Madeleine McCann" campaign has been turned into a brand, and newspapers/TV stations etc. will continue to broadcast it because they know it will sell newspapers and be watched on TV by the masses.

 

Like I say, in my uninformed opinion (I've never had kids) I think the parents are far from perfect but I am not going to let my personal feelings towards them change my definition of legal terms or criminal offences, no matter how much they exploit the media (rightly or wrongly) or how much they insist "they've done nothing wrong"

[aintforever]

Whichever way you argue this case, there are conclusions and actions that that aren't rational.

 

Why refuse to answer plods questions? The DNA? The blood? Why wash your missing child's scent off her teddy? I defy any parent to say that they wouldn't treasure that scent.

 

I agree certain aspects look a bit odd but nothing nearly as odd as two guilty people clamouring to have the world's media put their supposed crime under the microscope.

 

Kates refusal to answer questions - Looks to me she just got the hump with the local plod. I expect she thought they should be out looking for Madeline instead of assuming she was dead and questioning her.

 

It's hard to comment on the forensics unless you are an expert, I'm sure if they are compelling the MET are more than capable of drawing their own conclusions. The fact that Madaline's DNA or blood was found means nothing, she was in the apartment for a week or so.

 

Cadaver dog alerts are only used as a tool to aid further investigation because they can mean so many different things. Dogs alert to any process of human decomposition - even from situations which did not result in death - e.g. a lost tooth, old blood even semen, and it is easily transferable. A dog alerted to cadaver in the Shannon Matthews case and she was found alive, it turned out the dog was spelling cadaver odour from a piece of second hand furniture which had come from a house where a death had taken place.

 

Kate washed the teddy 70 days after the event and she had been carrying it around the whole time and it smelled of suntan lotion - I'm not sure what forensics would have shown from that.

 

I hope the McCanns are found to be guilty of it because they come across as vile people, but i think people are just out to get them somewhat because they dont like them.

[pap]

In this case, by instinct I couldn't let my opinion of their parenting or feelings towards their social status cloud my judgement. I had to deal with the cold hard facts as they were established and focus on finding the girl, and at that point I wouldn't give a toss about how good or bad parents they were.

 

With child abandonment you're talking about the intention to relinquish your parental responsibilities permanently, with the knowledge that the child could potentially come to serious harm as a result. Leaving kids in a warm comfortable hotel room for 35 minutes (can't prove it was otherwise) whilst they ate dinner 50 metres away is careless parenting and not child abandonment.

 

When Madeleine went missing, they played the media like a violin and turned her into ''Britain's missing Princess'. One of the facts about life is that money talks and couple that with Madeleine's physical appearance, the parents were always going to exploit the media to the full. To be fair I can't blame them because the media is the most powerful force in the world when it comes to informing people and influencing people's opinions. The fact that this is one of god knows how many missing children out there who is getting 99% of the press coverage is one of the sad facts of life but the reason it's the case boils down to money. The "Find Madeleine McCann" campaign has been turned into a brand, and newspapers/TV stations etc. will continue to broadcast it because they know it will sell newspapers and be watched on TV by the masses.

 

Like I say, in my uninformed opinion (I've never had kids) I think the parents are far from perfect but I am not going to let my personal feelings towards them change my definition of legal terms or criminal offences, no matter how much they exploit the media (rightly or wrongly) or how much they insist "they've done nothing wrong"

 

Does a permanent intent to abandon trump a pattern of regularly leaving young children unsupervised? I can well accept that the charges are technically different, but the capacity for harm is there, as Madeleine's case clearly shows. We may not be able to prove that the McCanns were away for longer than 35 minutes on the night in question (although that is disputed), but the night of Madeleine's alleged abduction was not the only time that the McCann children were left alone. Pamela Fenn, a British expatriate who lived above the McCann's rented apartment, gave a statement to the police stating that on 1st May, she heard a child crying for over an hour, repeatedly calling for her Daddy. This was between 22:30 and 23:45 local time. The noise abated when the McCanns arrived home. That's at least 1h 15minutes of the kids being left alone, according to Mrs Fenn's statement.

 

This video is interesting. The woman, who doesn't know she is being filmed, says the McCanns were at Chaplins, a venue a lot further than 50 metres away.

 

 

Some interesting post-scripts; despite her initial and fairly clear statement about the events of May 1st, Mrs Fenn later claimed to have no knowledge. Given the way that the McCanns have operated since 2007, I can't say I find that particularly surprising. People have lost their jobs, four newspapers have had to settle libel suits (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7303801.stm) and there is presently a defamation suit in the works.

 

Are these the actions of people who are more concerned with finding their daughter or simply ensuring that the abduction theory is the only game in town?

[hypochondriac]

Personally, I trust those way more qualified than me (the police) to do their jobs and they clearly feel that abduction was the most likely scenario. I very much doubt they would be blinded by the McCans if they were trying to ensure that abduction was the only game in town. These are trained professionals who have probably seen things like this before.

[pap]

Personally, I trust those way more qualified than me (the police) to do their jobs and they clearly feel that abduction was the most likely scenario. I very much doubt they would be blinded by the McCans if they were trying to ensure that abduction was the only game in town. These are trained professionals who have probably seen things like this before.

 

Ninety nine times out of a hundred; you'd be right. However, think about the implications of anything other than an abduction scenario and remember, the police are going to investigate the crime they're told to. Half the reason that the Portuguese nick got into so much hot water was because they weren't treating the case as an abduction. The British OB never treated it as anything but. There's more politics in this than policework.

[aintforever]

Ninety nine times out of a hundred; you'd be right. However, think about the implications of anything other than an abduction scenario and remember, the police are going to investigate the crime they're told to. Half the reason that the Portuguese nick got into so much hot water was because they weren't treating the case as an abduction. The British OB never treated it as anything but. There's more politics in this than policework.

 

Unless you are sat with the detectives you are not in a position to say. The MET seem to have a pretty open mind as to what happened, and they are working close with the Portuguese plod. Do you have any evidence that they are only looking at the evidence the McCanns tell them to? This is from the MET site..

 

"Detectives from the Metropolitan Police Service conducting the investigative review into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have now moved to an investigative stage of the inquiry.

 

Over the past two years the review, whilst not complete, has been in a unique position having drawn together material from the UK, Portugal and private investigators from seven different companies.

 

This process has been complex and issues such as translation of material have presented particular challenges. To date some 30,500 documents have entered into the process which has generated in excess of 3,800 actions. The actions that we have completed have generated new findings and new witness evidence.

 

Our review has sought to prioritise the material, ensuring we are doing everything possible to understand what happened to Madeleine. In the absence of any clear evidence to the contrary we maintain our belief that Madeleine may still be alive.

 

The MPS has conducted sixteen visits to Portugal and we have met and shared our findings with key members of both the Policia Judiciaria and Judicial Authorities. Our relationship is positive and we are grateful for the co-operation we have received thus far."

[hutch]

Based on that report above, the Met aren't saying that they have any superior or more compelling evidence that Madeleine was abducted, what they are saying is that abduction is their default assumption until proven otherwise.

 

"In the absence of any clear evidence to the contrary we maintain our belief that Madeleine may still be alive."

[pap]

Unless you are sat with the detectives you are not in a position to say. The MET seem to have a pretty open mind as to what happened, and they are working close with the Portuguese plod. Do you have any evidence that they are only looking at the evidence the McCanns tell them to? This is from the MET site..

 

"Detectives from the Metropolitan Police Service conducting the investigative review into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have now moved to an investigative stage of the inquiry.

 

Over the past two years the review, whilst not complete, has been in a unique position having drawn together material from the UK, Portugal and private investigators from seven different companies.

 

This process has been complex and issues such as translation of material have presented particular challenges. To date some 30,500 documents have entered into the process which has generated in excess of 3,800 actions. The actions that we have completed have generated new findings and new witness evidence.

 

Our review has sought to prioritise the material, ensuring we are doing everything possible to understand what happened to Madeleine. In the absence of any clear evidence to the contrary we maintain our belief that Madeleine may still be alive.

 

The MPS has conducted sixteen visits to Portugal and we have met and shared our findings with key members of both the Policia Judiciaria and Judicial Authorities. Our relationship is positive and we are grateful for the co-operation we have received thus far."

 

Broadly I'd agree with your opening statement. There is no substitute for being there.

 

However, the Crimewatch reconstruction was predicated entirely off the abduction thesis, which is starting with a point of truth. If the OB were seriously considering the McCanns as suspects, would it not be prejudicial to allow them to cement the idea that they were off having snacks with their friends when it all went down?

[hypochondriac]

Broadly I'd agree with your opening statement. There is no substitute for being there.

 

However, the Crimewatch reconstruction was predicated entirely off the abduction thesis, which is starting with a point of truth. If the OB were seriously considering the McCanns as suspects, would it not be prejudicial to allow them to cement the idea that they were off having snacks with their friends when it all went down?

 

I suspect they have looked into it and concluded that abduction was the most likely course of events and the reconstruction was what the police believed happened. I am sure before they got to that they ruled out other theories as that is part of their job. I suspect that not everything they have investigated is in the public domain.

[pap]

I suspect they have looked into it and concluded that abduction was the most likely course of events and the reconstruction was what the police believed happened. I am sure before they got to that they ruled out other theories as that is part of their job. I suspect that not everything they have investigated is in the public domain.

 

There is no evidence for an abduction, hypo - which is why the JP didn't treat it seriously.

 

Add it all up.

 

Kate McCann refuses to answer 48 questions, many of which could assist in locating Madeleine. The Portuguese authorities took a completely different approach to the incident. They considered the wildly conflicting accounts they received and assumed they were not being told the whole truth. The focus of the parents has been muddled, and is as much about protecting their own reputations as anything else.

 

I hope they are looking into it. The amount of public money that has now been spent on at best, two highly negligent parents, is staggering.

[buctootim]

Personally, I trust those way more qualified than me (the police) to do their jobs and they clearly feel that abduction was the most likely scenario. I very much doubt they would be blinded by the McCans if they were trying to ensure that abduction was the only game in town. These are trained professionals who have probably seen things like this before.

 

Its also a question of tactics. No doubt the police have worked out that if they overtly suspect the McCanns then they wont be getting any co-operation from them or the Tapas 7. By having the public focus on something else they will ultimately gain more information.

[Window Cleaner]

There is no evidence for an abduction, hypo - which is why the JP didn't treat it seriously.

 

Add it all up.

 

Kate McCann refuses to answer 48 questions, many of which could assist in locating Madeleine. The Portuguese authorities took a completely different approach to the incident. They considered the wildly conflicting accounts they received and assumed they were not being told the whole truth. The focus of the parents has been muddled, and is as much about protecting their own reputations as anything else.

 

I hope they are looking into it. The amount of public money that has now been spent on at best, two highly negligent parents, is staggering.

 

 

But if the Portuguese had pressed an abandonment charge and got them into custody for a prolonged period they might have gotten some better results (if any were to be had that is). It's what the french would do if they thought that useful information was being witheld. Amazing what a period of isolation can do to even the most lucid and hardened suspects.

Edited 17 October, 2013 by Window Cleaner

[pap]

Its also a question of tactics. No doubt the police have worked out that if they overtly suspect the McCanns then they wont be getting any co-operation from them or the Tapas 7. By having the public focus on something else they will ultimately gain more information.

 

Something I've seen suggested, but the will to follow that line of inquiry has to be there in the first place. I've seen conflicting reports from those who claim to be, or to know someone in the OB on this. It's one of the reasons that I'm having trouble reconciling JackFrost's fair-play-to-them line of argument. If someone had failed to be co-operative on the scale that Kate McCann was during her PJ session here, I'd imagine that'd set the spider-sense of most coppers off immediately.

 

It's not conclusive by any means, but it's another episode of very odd behaviour in a time when priorities should never have been in question. Inexplicably (according to abduction theory anyway), so many priorities were.

[pap]

But if the Portuguese had pressed an abandonment charge and got them nto custody for a prolonged period they might have gotten some better results (if any were to be had that is). It's what the french would do if they thought that useful information was being witheld. Amazing what a period of isolation can do to even the most lucid and hardened suspects.

 

I think that's reasonable, which is why the Portuguese were smeared and prevented from doing their job. Genuinely think there was a lot of behind-the-scenes wrangling to make sure that never happened - to have the case viewed on purely British terms.

 

ottery's claims that Gerry McCann is well connected are not new to me. I find it very strange that the OB denied the PJ access to their phone records and financial statements.

[Window Cleaner]

I think that's reasonable, which is why the Portuguese were smeared and prevented from doing their job. Genuinely think there was a lot of behind-the-scenes wrangling to make sure that never happened - to have the case viewed on purely British terms.

 

ottery's claims that Gerry McCann is well connected are not new to me. I find it very strange that the OB denied the PJ access to their phone records and financial statements.

 

Perhaps he works for 5 or 6 eh :rolleyes:

[pap]

Perhaps he works for 5 or 6 eh :rolleyes:

 

Wouldn't know about that, but there are plenty of unofficial clubs out there that look out for each other.

[hypochondriac]

Something I've seen suggested, but the will to follow that line of inquiry has to be there in the first place. I've seen conflicting reports from those who claim to be, or to know someone in the OB on this. It's one of the reasons that I'm having trouble reconciling JackFrost's fair-play-to-them line of argument. If someone had failed to be co-operative on the scale that Kate McCann was during her PJ session here, I'd imagine that'd set the spider-sense of most coppers off immediately.

 

It's not conclusive by any means, but it's another episode of very odd behaviour in a time when priorities should never have been in question. Inexplicably (according to abduction theory anyway), so many priorities were.

 

That's for the investigators to look into and question and I'm sure they have done.

[pap]

That's for the investigators to look into and question and I'm sure they have done.

 

I've seen you use the "I'm sure" argument tons of times, hypo. On what are you basing your certainty?

[ottery st mary]

Perhaps he works for 5 or 6 eh :rolleyes:

 

Bearing in mind...Freud , Murdoch , Brookes ,Cameron Brown, Blair , Mandelson.....The Pope and all those others in need of specific stuff:rolleyes: etc...

 

Should I mention Israel and take the wrath of my mate verbal:p

 

Lot of funny stuff has been going on over the years...Gerry looked after from day one.....not necessarily the night it was reported;)

 

 

I am sure all the other Brits abroad in the future..with the same nightmare scenario ...will get the full Services attention:mcinnes:

 

Sooooo much more could be said....but will leave it to the experts to debate:)

[pap]

Bearing in mind...Freud , Murdoch , Brookes ,Cameron Brown, Blair , Mandelson.....The Pope and all those others in need of specific stuff:rolleyes: etc...

 

Should I mention Israel and take the wrath of my mate verbal:p

 

Lot of funny stuff has been going on over the years...Gerry looked after from day one.....not necessarily the night it was reported

 

 

I am sure all the other Brits abroad in the future..with the same nightmare scenario ...will get the full Services attention:mcinnes:

 

Sooooo much more could be said....but will leave it to the experts to debate:)

 

I've wondered about the timeline myself. The public understanding of the case is all based on events happening on May 3rd.

[ottery st mary]

I've wondered about the timeline myself. The public understanding of the case is all based on events happening on May 3rd.

 

The more I learn about Gerry McCann ...Who is he ..what has he been up to and the reason he is now getting so much help...

 

I am convinced that his daughter passed away on or before the night reported.

 

IMO...an accident/fall etc but a problem re medical parents..not only dosing up their children but neglecting them for long periods of time.

 

No comment regarding the Met Police investigation:rolleyes:

[pap]

The more I learn about Gerry McCann ...Who is he ..what has he been up to and the reason he is now getting so much help...

 

I am convinced that his daughter passed away on or before the night reported.

 

IMO...an accident/fall etc but a problem re medical parents..not only dosing up their children but neglecting them for long periods of time.

 

No comment regarding the Met Police investigation:rolleyes:

 

I've little confidence in the Met investigation myself. Publicly at least, the scope seems very narrow. Doesn't seem to be entertaining your line of thinking at all, or the huge inconsistencies and potential collusion that most reasonable observers have commented upon.

[Wurzel]

But if the Portuguese had pressed an abandonment charge and got them into custody for a prolonged period they might have gotten some better results (if any were to be had that is). It's what the french would do if they thought that useful information was being witheld. Amazing what a period of isolation can do to even the most lucid and hardened suspects.

 

Not just the McCanns. Other members of the "Tapas" group were equally guilty of leaving their kids home alone as it were. The fact Maddy went missing/died and theirs didn't doesn't lessen that offence. If they'd held and charged them all I'd hazard a guess at least one would have cracked and spilled the proverbial beans.

[aintforever]

Ninety nine times out of a hundred; you'd be right. However, think about the implications of anything other than an abduction scenario and remember, the police are going to investigate the crime they're told to. Half the reason that the Portuguese nick got into so much hot water was because they weren't treating the case as an abduction. The British OB never treated it as anything but. There's more politics in this than policework.

 

In the description of the investigation the MET never once use the word 'abduction', it is crystal clear they are doing all they can to find out exactly what happened to Madeline. Until there is a body or evidence that she is not alive it will always be a missing person case.

 

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood:

 

"We, and the Portuguese authorities, remain completely committed to finding out what happened to Madeleine, and everything we do is utterly focused on her best interests."

[pap]

In the description of the investigation the MET never once use the word 'abduction', it is crystal clear they are doing all they can to find out exactly what happened to Madeline. Until there is a body or evidence that she is not alive it will always be a missing person case.

 

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood:

 

"We, and the Portuguese authorities, remain completely committed to finding out what happened to Madeleine, and everything we do is utterly focused on her best interests."

 

Maybe not, but the CrimeWatch reconstruction obviously wasn't filmed in a bubble. It maintains the timeline, the abduction thesis and the McCann's as neglectful victims.

[aintforever]

Maybe not, but the CrimeWatch reconstruction obviously wasn't filmed in a bubble. It maintains the timeline, the abduction thesis and the McCann's as neglectful victims.

 

They will based the reconstruction as best they can around the evidence available. It clearly states who was seen where and when, obviously from witness statements. Just like any other crimewatch reconstruction.

[pap]

They will based the reconstruction as best they can around the evidence available. It clearly states who was seen where and when, obviously from witness statements. Just like any other crimewatch reconstruction.

 

Like the one that got Jill Dando's killer?

[Window Cleaner]

Maybe not, but the CrimeWatch reconstruction obviously wasn't filmed in a bubble. It maintains the timeline, the abduction thesis and the McCann's as neglectful victims.

 

Has not one witness statement from one of their cronies been discounted as pure speculation, I think you'll find that it has.

[hypochondriac]

I've seen you use the "I'm sure" argument tons of times, hypo. On what are you basing your certainty?

 

Well either you consider a large number of Scotland Yard employees to be incompetent or corrupt or you trust that people will do their jobs they are paid to do to the best of their ability.

[aintforever]

Like the one that got Jill Dando's killer?

 

Some cases are successful some are not. There is no evidence to suggest that the MET are not looking at all possible scenarios. If they have ruled the parents out as suspects they would have good reason to, same with any other suspect.

[pap]

Well either you consider a large number of Scotland Yard employees to be incompetent or corrupt or you trust that people will do their jobs they are paid to do to the best of their ability.

 

Not at all. I'm guessing that you've never worked in a large hierarchical organisation. Orders come from the top-down. Purely in my position, if I am asked to develop feature x, and I think feature x is a load of sh!t, I still might have to develop feature x. I'm reasonably lucky in that I can argue against it with a business justification, but generally, most of us have to do what we're told.

[hypochondriac]

Some cases are successful some are not. There is no evidence to suggest that the MET are not looking at all possible scenarios. If they have ruled the parents out as suspects they would have good reason to, same with any other suspect.

 

That is the key point and expressed better than I did.

[pap]

Very interesting book, hosted by Wikileaks and forced out of print by the McCann's solicitors.

 

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Suppressed_Madeleine_Foundation_book_by_Tony_Bennett,_2008

 

Another interesting find from Wikileaks is that the UK coppers helped to build the case against the McCanns in the early days. The FSS was ordered to water down its findings after they proved too conclusive. Even so, the biggest reason that an arrest wasn't made was Portugal's much higher burden of proof when it comes to matching genetic markers (so much for them bumbling Portuguese, eh?). If they'd found the same evidence here, it would have been enough to bring charges.

[adrian lord]

Not just the McCanns. Other members of the "Tapas" group were equally guilty of leaving their kids home alone as it were. The fact Maddy went missing/died and theirs didn't doesn't lessen that offence. If they'd held and charged them all I'd hazard a guess at least one would have cracked and spilled the proverbial beans.

 

 

What beans exactly? McCanns killed Madeline while the rest all ate?

[Viking Warrior]

The mcanns do seem to be spending a lot of time suing people for slander etc . The priority is to establish and find maddie if she is still alive not spending time suing folk .

 

If she's so convinced she has done nothing wrong why will she not go back to Portugal re the slander case etc . Is she worried she might be arrested .

[sandwichsaint]

Very interesting book, hosted by Wikileaks and forced out of print by the McCann's solicitors.

 

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Suppressed_Madeleine_Foundation_book_by_Tony_Bennett,_2008

 

Another interesting find from Wikileaks is that the UK coppers helped to build the case against the McCanns in the early days. The FSS was ordered to water down its findings after they proved too conclusive. Even so, the biggest reason that an arrest wasn't made was Portugal's much higher burden of proof when it comes to matching genetic markers (so much for them bumbling Portuguese, eh?). If they'd found the same evidence here, it would have been enough to bring charges.

 

I skim read this last night - v interesting/chilling.

 

All allegedly of course and nothing there in itself which says she might have not been abducted, but....

 

Everyone has to make up their own mind, they never rang true with me from day one and I've not seen anything since to make me change my mind.

 

Meaningless media stat of the week for what it's worth and a I have no way of verifying if it is true or not, apparently there are 30 plod working on the Saville case and 37 working on this, go figure.

[Whitey Grandad]

 

Meaningless media stat of the week for what it's worth and a I have no way of verifying if it is true or not, apparently there are 30 plod working on the Saville case and 37 working on this, go figure.

 

Portugal, innit?

[Verbal]

I skim read this last night - v interesting/chilling.

 

All allegedly of course and nothing there in itself which says she might have not been abducted, but....

 

Everyone has to make up their own mind, they never rang true with me from day one and I've not seen anything since to make me change my mind.

 

Meaningless media stat of the week for what it's worth and a I have no way of verifying if it is true or not, apparently there are 30 plod working on the Saville case and 37 working on this, go figure.

 

Don't get too sucked into this stuff. This is David Icke territory (what else would you expect?). And don't be fooled by the source. Tony Bennett did not work for the McCanns, despite the misleading title of his "foundation". The McCanns' legal proceedings against him have been because of libel. He has also been given a suspended prison sentence over this affair, and when he was described as a "sicko" and a "stalker" by British papers the Press Complaints Commission rejected his complaint that this was unfair.

 

In other words, this thread is being dragged back into the sicko and stalker world inhabited by our little "enthusiast" for claiming that the family of Lee Rigby, like the McCanns, are part of a criminal conspiracy. Of course, there's nothing that our enthusiast is adding to any of this guff - just regurgitating it with all the usual lack of intelligence, curiosity and common sense. This time, however, he's feeding off a rather sad desire by many on here and elsewhere to pump themselves up as wonderful parents compared to the McCanns - a point which was made ad nauseum over six years ago and really is getting a bit old now.

[Guided Missile]

In other words, this thread is being dragged back into the sicko and stalker world inhabited by our little "enthusiast" for claiming that the family of Lee Rigby, like the McCanns, are part of a criminal conspiracy. Of course, there's nothing that our enthusiast is adding to any of this guff - just regurgitating it with all the usual lack of intelligence, curiosity and common sense. This time, however, he's feeding off a rather sad desire by many on here and elsewhere to pump themselves up as wonderful parents compared to the McCanns - a point which was made ad nauseum over six years ago and really is getting a bit old now.

Ignoring the usual nutters, conspiracy theorists and Met police desperate to appease David Cameron, by trying to solve a hopelessly out of date crime, I prefer to believe the Portuguese police conclusion, i.e. There was/is absolutely no evidence of an abduction, Madeleine probably died in the apartment and the parents were involved. Their conclusion is obviously not supported by enough evidence to support a conviction, or indeed the committing of a particularly serious crime. Why would the Portuguese spend the millions required to try and achieve a conviction, with the McCann's fighting such an attempt, every step of the way from extradition, to a probable very expensive acquittal, of a crime of concealing a body?

 

I think it is significant that no-one in the Portuguese media has been prepared to air the recent e-fit in that country. They have also reached the conclusion, I have. Sometimes, crimes are not solved to level required for a prosecution. It is why Savile got away with it for years. As I said, I think the Portuguese are spot-on. The Met should spend money on serious crimes they have a chance of solving, not grandstanding in the media, while getting a tan at our expense.

[sandwichsaint]

Ignoring the usual nutters, conspiracy theorists and Met police desperate to appease David Cameron, by trying to solve a hopelessly out of date crime, I prefer to believe the Portuguese police conclusion, i.e. There was/is absolutely no evidence of an abduction, Madeleine probably died in the apartment and the parents were involved. Their conclusion is obviously not supported by enough evidence to support a conviction, or indeed the committing of a particularly serious crime. Why would the Portuguese spend the millions required to try and achieve a conviction, with the McCann's fighting such an attempt, every step of the way from extradition, to a probable very expensive acquittal, of a crime of concealing a body?

 

I think it is significant that no-one in the Portuguese media has been prepared to air the recent e-fit in that country. They have also reached the conclusion, I have. Sometimes, crimes are not solved to level required for a prosecution. It is why Savile got away with it for years. As I said, I think the Portuguese are spot-on. The Met should spend money on serious crimes they have a chance of solving, not grandstanding in the media, while getting a tan at our expense.

 

Nutshell.

[Smirking_Saint]

I sort of agree with Guided here, and Im not one to be dragged into conspiracy nonsense but the situation for me stunk of foul play on the parents part from day one

[pap]

A deconstruction of a Verbal post....

 

 

Don't get too sucked into this stuff.

 

Ooh. That's an order. Better follow it, boys and girls.

 

This is David Icke territory (what else would you expect?).

 

Crazy by association (but let's leave the Savile stuff out, eh - Icke was well on the ball with that one).

 

And don't be fooled by the source. Tony Bennett did not work for the McCanns, despite the misleading title of his "foundation".

 

The link makes no such claims. Verbal is hoping that you don't actually read the link, and latch onto the fiction he has created here.

 

The McCanns' legal proceedings against him have been because of libel. He has also been given a suspended prison sentence over this affair, and when he was described as a "sicko" and a "stalker" by British papers the Press Complaints Commission rejected his complaint that this was unfair.

 

Quelle surprise. Would this be the same Press Complaints Commission that deals with four of the newspapers the McCanns sued for damages? The newspapers that have never written a negative word since? Would the libel action have been led by Carter Ruck, of constant Private Eye infamy?

 

Let's not forget references to "sicko" or "stalker". Verbal will cunningly use them again in an attempt to ascribe the same labels to me.

 

In other words, this thread is being dragged back into the sicko and stalker world inhabited by our little "enthusiast" for claiming that the family of Lee Rigby, like the McCanns, are part of a criminal conspiracy.

 

Literally no defence on this topic, so let's drag up another where the sicko and stalker (that would be me, kids) had substantially less support on an issue.

 

That'll work. From Verbal's POV, you're all too thick to catch on.

 

Of course, there's nothing that our enthusiast is adding to any of this guff - just regurgitating it with all the usual lack of intelligence, curiosity and common sense.

 

Still don't have anything to say, so a couple of points impugning the poster's intelligence will do, along with some barefaced untruths ( I can't really be accused of not being curious, at least ).

 

This time, however, he's feeding off a rather sad desire by many on here and elsewhere to pump themselves up as wonderful parents compared to the McCanns - a point which was made ad nauseum over six years ago and really is getting a bit old now.

 

Choice.

[hutch]

I sort of agree with Guided here, and Im not one to be dragged into conspiracy nonsense but the situation for me stunk of foul play on the parents part from day one

If we on here can be considered to be a reasonable cross section of the public ( ) then that does appear to be the overwhelming concensus, particulary if you take into account that it is the widely held view IN SPITE OF the huge amounts of time effort and money expended by the McCanns to gag the press, media, police and anybody else who might doubt their story.

[Window Cleaner]

Hypothetically what would a couple of docs risk (apart from a short jail stretch) for covering up some sort of domestic medicamental accident, struck off, temporary suspension what ?

[pap]

Hypothetically what would a couple of docs risk (apart from a short jail stretch) for covering up some sort of domestic medicamental accident, struck off, temporary suspension what ?

 

This is pure speculation, but I'd imagine that if they were found to have used medicine which led to their owns child's death, being struck off is a given. I'm not sure if that's the legal course of action, but politically, their continuing careers would be untenable.

 

They'd almost certainly lose their kids as well.

[Viking Warrior]

Originally Posted by sandwichsaint

 

Meaningless media stat of the week for what it's worth and a I have no way of verifying if it is true or not, apparently there are 30 plod working on the Saville case and 37 working on this, go figure.

 

Sandwich. possibly to do with the Masons connection

[Viking Warrior]

Almost 3000 emails or phone calls . more than anything else in the previous 6.5 years.

 

How come people remember things now . may be they were just ****ed all those years ago

[Viking Warrior]

Pap

 

Your rather confusing you say Verbal is aintforever and vice versa or could it be they are two separate people

 

we the people demand to know the truth