The Met Police and Madeline Mccann

[Window Cleaner]

Well in fairness if you ask my children they will tell you that I am a very good parent. What I am saying is that you cannot judge the McCanns as easily as that.

 

And have you ever left them alone to go down the road for a pizza with your friends ?

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Then you are or will be a bad parent, do not worry you are or won't be alone. Parenting is a full time job, if you don't have the time to do it yourself then build a structure around you that does, grandparents, baby-sitters whatever.

 

Well in fairness if you ask my children they will tell you that I am a very good parent. What I am saying is that you cannot judge the McCanns as easily as that without understanding the context. I will not let my children have a motorbike when they are 16 I won't let them take passengers until they are 21 - does that make parents who do bad parents?

[buctootim]

They have to remember tho, the BJs, that psychopaths can be victim of child abduction just like anyone else.

 

Very good point Bearsy. You're not all deviance, insurrection and yogurt are you?

[buctootim]

And have you ever left them alone to go down the road for a pizza with your friends ?

 

Aged 3 and 2.

[pap]

Do you really think detectives investigating the crime will give the slightest thought as to what's been said on TV?

 

Nope, but I think they operate in a hierarchical manner. If they're told that they're only investigating an abduction, that's what they'll investigate. The sniffer/cadaver dog evidence was never really in question (apart from the expert Gerry McCann, of course). The scope of the investigation was narrowed so that it was no longer relevant.

[trousers]

Not if they're not being investigated for the crime, and the only reason that they're not being investigated for a crime is that they keep on appearing on TV in the guise of concerned parents.

 

 

Agree with pap's logic here. The best way to cover up a crime is to act as if you didn't commit the crime. The McCanns are acting as if they didn't commit the crime. So, one way or the other, their actions make perfect sense.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

And have you ever left them alone to go down the road for a pizza with your friends ?

 

No but without knowing the circumstances I am not ruling out that I would have done. I certainly would not have left it unlocked but if I could see the apartment from my table and others were going back regularly as was I then I might have done. Obviously now I would not.

[buctootim]

No but without knowing the circumstances I am not ruling out that I would have done. I certainly would not have left it unlocked but if I could see the apartment from my table and others were going back regularly as was I then I might have done. Obviously now I would not.

 

They couldn't see the entrance or windows from their table and they left three children under 4 alone in an unlocked strange apartment abroad in an area neither they or the children knew. Thats aftrer they had put their kids in the playgroup all day. not wanting to spend time with your very young children at any point in the day is beyond odd to me.

[Window Cleaner]

No but without knowing the circumstances I am not ruling out that I would have done. I certainly would not have left it unlocked but if I could see the apartment from my table and others were going back regularly as was I then I might have done. Obviously now I would not.

 

but until now you've always made the right decision, they obviously did not. To me there is no excuse whatsover for a couple of Doctors to leave 3 small kids alone in a rented appartment. They must have had the means to avoid the situation and Nannies are easily come by in Portuguese resorts. They are hedonists and the eldest child suffered. No sympathy for them whatsover.

[Barry Sanchez]

Leicestershire Police re-interviewed the Tapas Seven. No idea whether those questions were asked, but it had already been decided that it was an abduction case at that point. In any normal case, the inconsistencies in the various accounts ( either from different people or the same people when asked at different times ) would have been enough to consider the McCanns suspects. Yet they're the two people who the British police are not looking at.

 

Me, my wife and friends were just discussing that point, an open case should mean an open mind, at what point did this become an abduction case as opposed to anything else?

[Restark19]

but until now you've always made the right decision, they obviously did not. To me there is no excuse whatsover for a couple of Doctors to leave 3 small kids alone in a rented appartment. They must have had the means to avoid the situation and Nannies are easily come by in Portuguese resorts. They are hedonists and the eldest child suffered. No sympathy for them whatsover.

 

agreed. whatever way you look at this it's no-ones fault but the parents. The fact they've managed to make millions off it and gathered so much public sympathy is sickening

[JackFrost]

The dodgiest thing about the whole affair has to be Kate McCanns refusal to answer 48 questions posed by the Portuguese police, including many that would have helped to find an abducted child.

 

If she didn't have a solicitor present at that time she'd be stupid to answer those questions. That said I hope the Met have got more than they've released into the public domain. The Portuguese police and the Met don't seem to have a lot combined. Also people on here should be aware the McCanns their kids alone for exactly 35 minutes whilst they were 50 metres away. I'm not condoning it but make of that what you will.

 

 

Since about a month after she disappeared I've been certain it was a pre-planned abduction by organised human traffickers. Whoever took her knew she was in that room, knew there were no adults present and knew their route from the hotel room to their getaway point to the last detail without arousing suspicion or leaving evidence. All this happens in a hotel in a crowded holiday resort, and there isn't one confirmed witness sighting or CCTV image of Madeleine or the abductor.

 

If the parents had killed her the police would have found out by now forensically if by no other means and I can't believe an opportunistic burglar could have done all of that. They'd have either left Madeleine alone or panicked and left evidence behind.

 

To me this was a job done by professionals and I'd wager a lot that the McCann family were watched in the days beforehand and their routines were studied. The biggest problem was the complete cock-up of an investigation the Portuguese police did in the first instance. They "mis-interpreted" DNA evidence and came to believe that Madeleine had died in the apartment, which is why they suspected the parents. Funnily enough the officer in charge was convicted around the same time of beating a confession out of a mother, whose kid went missing and their body was never found.

 

Whilst I don't think Madeleine is dead (I think they'd have long since found her body) I can't see her ever being found. The only chance now is if she grows up and discovers who she really is. I don't think much of the parents either but with their wealth and Madeleine being a beautiful little girl they were always going to play the " Britain's missing angel" card with the media and to be fair to them they've played it to perfection.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

They couldn't see the entrance or windows from their table and they left three children under 4 alone in an unlocked strange apartment abroad in an area neither they or the children knew. Thats aftrer they had put their kids in the playgroup all day. not wanting to spend time with your very young children at any point in the day is beyond odd to me.

 

Again you are speculating without really knowing the true circumstances. I would suspect that the apartment was only unlocked because they were going to and forth on such a regular basis or somebody else was - that too is just a guess. I just feel very sorry for them because I would not wish what happened on anyone.

[Barry Sanchez]

There are cliffs all around was told by someone who has been there, what about Madeleine walked off and fell down the cliffs?

[pap]

If she didn't have a solicitor present at that time she'd be stupid to answer those questions. That said I hope the Met have got more than they've released into the public domain. The Portuguese police and the Met don't seem to have a lot combined. Also people on here should be aware the McCanns their kids alone for exactly 35 minutes whilst they were 50 metres away. I'm not condoning it but make of that what you will.

 

 

Since about a month after she disappeared I've been certain it was a pre-planned abduction by organised human traffickers. Whoever took her knew she was in that room, knew there were no adults present and knew their route from the hotel room to their getaway point to the last detail without arousing suspicion or leaving evidence. All this happens in a hotel in a crowded holiday resort, and there isn't one confirmed witness sighting or CCTV image of Madeleine or the abductor.

 

If the parents had killed her the police would have found out by now forensically if by no other means and I can't believe an opportunistic burglar could have done all of that. They'd have either left Madeleine alone or panicked and left evidence behind.

 

To me this was a job done by professionals and I'd wager a lot that the McCann family were watched in the days beforehand and their routines were studied. The biggest problem was the complete cock-up of an investigation the Portuguese police did in the first instance. They "mis-interpreted" DNA evidence and came to believe that Madeleine had died in the apartment, which is why they suspected the parents. Funnily enough the officer in charge was convicted around the same time of beating a confession out of a mother, whose kid went missing and their body was never found.

 

Whilst I don't think Madeleine is dead (I think they'd have long since found her body) I can't see her ever being found. The only chance now is if she grows up and discovers who she really is. I don't think much of the parents either but with their wealth and Madeleine being a beautiful little girl they were always going to play the " Britain's missing angel" card with the media and to be fair to them they've played it to perfection.

 

She had a solicitor present.

 

Don't agree with your assessment, professionally inclined as it may be. We used our own dogs in the forensic investigation. The bumbling Portuguese argument doesn't stack with me.

 

All the things you have said, Gerry McCann has said. Ad nauseum.

[buctootim]

Again you are speculating without really knowing the true circumstances. I would suspect that the apartment was only unlocked because they were going to and forth on such a regular basis or somebody else was - that too is just a guess. I just feel very sorry for them because I would not wish what happened on anyone.

Those are facts taken from the statements given by the McCanns and the Tapas 7 to police. The only speculation is by you - that the McCanns were good parents who were extremely unlucky. All the indications are that they were reckless at best.

[aintforever]

Nope, but I think they operate in a hierarchical manner. If they're told that they're only investigating an abduction, that's what they'll investigate. The sniffer/cadaver dog evidence was never really in question (apart from the expert Gerry McCann, of course). The scope of the investigation was narrowed so that it was no longer relevant.

 

They will be looking for leads, any leads.

 

If they are interviewing people from the area and people who were on holiday in the area at the time any one of them could point the finger to Gerry McCann.

[Window Cleaner]

They will be looking for leads, any leads.

 

If they are interviewing people from the area and people who were on holiday in the area at the time any one of them could point the finger to Gerry McCann.

 

 

I think the Met have had quite a few responses to their latest ID pics, 1000+ was it that I read ?

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Those are facts taken from the statements given by the McCanns and the Tapas 7 to police. The only speculation is by you - that the McCanns were good parents who were extremely unlucky. All the indications are that they were reckless at best.

 

Without sitting down with the McCanns, their friends probably at the same pizza place where they ate you cannot really know for sure. Yes their are indicators that they were reckless but I feel sympathy. I would also suggest their campaign to find their daughter is unrivalled and I admire them for that.

[Window Cleaner]

I think the Met have had quite a few responses to their latest ID pics, 1000+ was it that I read ?

 

Net seems to be closing in on what the Irish family saw and we've had some speculation of that here of late.

[aintforever]

I think the Met have had quite a few responses to their latest ID pics, 1000+ was it that I read ?

 

What's the bet it was 1000+ "looks like Gerry to me"

[View From The Top]

Well in fairness if you ask my children they will tell you that I am a very good parent. What I am saying is that you cannot judge the McCanns as easily as that.

 

Yes you can and every sensible parent has.

[Window Cleaner]

Without sitting down with the McCanns, their friends probably at the same pizza place where they ate you cannot really know for sure. Yes their are indicators that they were reckless but I feel sympathy. I would also suggest their campaign to find their daughter is unrivalled and I admire them for that.

 

Cecile Bourgeon's campaign to find her daughter was pretty impressive as well, trouble is it didn't last long, just until the PJ and their investigators with thir PhD's in criminal psychology got to work on her. Roving commissions in Algeria, ex locked up, another

ex hunted down in the 4 corners of the planet,Facebook campaigns everywhere, half of Clermont turning out to search every week-end, impressive campaign based on absolutely feck all. As I've said before with a smart woman at the helm it would have gone on forever. Then there's that joke abduction a while back round Nottingham way was it ? Girl missing and at the end of the day it was just an idiotic attention seeking mother who'd stashed her round at her man's place; Not to mention another case local to me, le petit Antoine, everybody knows the mum probably accidently killed him but she says she didn't and we're still all looking for him 4 years on.

Edited 15 October, 2013 by Window Cleaner

[Window Cleaner]

Yes you can and every sensible parent has.

 

I just cannot estimate how much not doing a "McCanns" has cost us over the years and I've no reason to. Up until they were 8 or 9 (well the youngest) we had an au-pair,distant cousin of the wife's ,dragged her round the globe with us, cost a fortune, poor love had a nervous breakdown in the end and married a Spanish goat-farmer or something. Still what can you say, we are convinced we did the right thing.

Edited 15 October, 2013 by Window Cleaner

[ecuk268]

Again you are speculating without really knowing the true circumstances. I would suspect that the apartment was only unlocked because they were going to and forth on such a regular basis or somebody else was - that too is just a guess. I just feel very sorry for them because I would not wish what happened on anyone.

 

They left the apartment at 8:30.Gerry McCann checked them at 9:00 and Kate found that she was missing just before 10:00. They admitted that they were out of earshot.

 

So a 3-year old (or one of the two-year olds) could have been awake, frightened because they couldn't find their parents and crying their eyes out for nearly an hour.

 

They were grossly negligent and, while I have sympathy for Maddie, I've none at all for them.

[pap]

They left the apartment at 8:30.Gerry McCann checked them at 9:00 and Kate found that she was missing just before 10:00. They admitted that they were out of earshot.

 

So a 3-year old (or one of the two-year olds) could have been awake, frightened because they couldn't find their parents and crying their eyes out for nearly an hour.

 

They were grossly negligent and, while I have sympathy for Maddie, I've none at all for them.

 

Don't forget the other siblings post-event either. Their childhoods have been wrecked by the grim circus their parents created.

[JackFrost]

She had a solicitor present.

 

Fair enough

 

Don't agree with your assessment, professionally inclined as it may be. We used our own dogs in the forensic investigation.

 

And if say Madeleine had been murdered in the hotel room they'd have found evidence. Sniffer dogs have been known to detect blood that is invisible to a microscope let alone the naked eye.

 

The bumbling Portuguese argument doesn't stack with me.

 

Pap,

 

-The first officers on the scene didn't even secure the hotel room and god knows how many people were allowed to go into it

-The border and marine police weren't given descriptions of Madeleine until HOURS after she disappeared

-They misreported/got basic facts wrong about witness statements which they gave to the press

-They didn't do BASIC checks like obtaining surveillance videos or doing extensive door-to-door checks

-The officer originally in charge of the investigation had been independently charged (and since convicted) with covering up failings and corruption involving a previously botched investigation into the disappearance of another little girl who went missing in 2004 only 7 miles from where Madeleine disappeared

-They misinterpreted DNA evidence which led to them focusing the entire investigation on the parents (and they weren't the only suspects)

 

-All of the above is public knowledge and not the opinion of Gerry McCann

 

 

All the things you have said, Gerry McCann has said. Ad nauseum.

 

If the parents had murdered the kid either our of their police would have found the evidence by now, and the original investigating officer would have been on to it faster than a rat up a drainpipe. The reality is no-one has found anything and the best the police have in the public domain is a couple of e-fits of people that may or may not be involved.

 

But leave how the investigation was conducted for one side for a minute. Abducting a kid from a hotel room, without anyone in the hotel or the street noticing, without getting caught on a security camera and leaving virtually no trail behind is no mean feat. It was a professional job.

[OldNick]

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But leave how the investigation was conducted for one side for a minute. Abducting a kid from a hotel room, without anyone in the hotel or the street noticing, without getting caught on a security camera and leaving virtually no trail behind is no mean feat. It was a professional job.[/quote]. It would need a professional outfit, but they would also eed plenty of time to work out how to do such a clean job. They couldn't mock up that overnight , so pre warning may be the part of the crime. I want Maddie to be alive and very happy with parents who really care,it might have been for the best.

[pap]

Fair enough

 

 

 

And if say Madeleine had been murdered in the hotel room they'd have found evidence. Sniffer dogs have been known to detect blood that is invisible to a microscope let alone the naked eye.

 

 

 

Pap,

 

-The first officers on the scene didn't even secure the hotel room and god knows how many people were allowed to go into it

-The border and marine police weren't given descriptions of Madeleine until HOURS after she disappeared

-They misreported/got basic facts wrong about witness statements which they gave to the press

-They didn't do BASIC checks like obtaining surveillance videos or doing extensive door-to-door checks

-The officer originally in charge of the investigation had been independently charged (and since convicted) with covering up failings and corruption involving a previously botched investigation into the disappearance of another little girl who went missing in 2004 only 7 miles from where Madeleine disappeared

-They misinterpreted DNA evidence which led to them focusing the entire investigation on the parents (and they weren't the only suspects)

 

-All of the above is public knowledge and not the opinion of Gerry McCann

 

 

 

 

If the parents had murdered the kid either our of their police would have found the evidence by now, and the original investigating officer would have been on to it faster than a rat up a drainpipe. The reality is no-one has found anything and the best the police have in the public domain is a couple of e-fits of people that may or may not be involved.

 

But leave how the investigation was conducted for one side for a minute. Abducting a kid from a hotel room, without anyone in the hotel or the street noticing, without getting caught on a security camera and leaving virtually no trail behind is no mean feat. It was a professional job.

 

Chalk another idiot up to Verbal's "it had to be murder" brigade. Fk sake, JackFrost. I expect it from persistent contrarians like aintforever and Gemmel. I would expect a more balanced appraisal from someone who is presumably trained in aspects of law, and should be able to distinguish between the various charges that can be brought when someone is adjudged to have been responsible for another's death.

 

The only people talking about murder here are the McCann apologists, usually to get an emotional response which defies the logic and evidence at hand.

 

Seems to me that the Portuguese police looked at the evidence and found the McCann's and their cohorts' statements to be wildly inaccurate. They were not treating it as an abduction, with exactly the same justification British plod would use in similar circumstances.

 

You talk about lack of evidence, but just like the rest of your mob, are ignoring the evidence your own dog handlers presented. Reacted to both the apartment and their car. The dog hasn't been wrong before or since, as I understand.

 

They were never treated as suspects by British OB. They're not even up on charges of child abandonment in Portugal, which carries a maximum ten year jail sentence. Whatever else they may be, they are certainly guilty of that.

[pap]

. It would need a professional outfit, but they would also eed plenty of time to work out how to do such a clean job. They couldn't mock up that overnight , so pre warning may be the part of the crime. I want Maddie to be alive and very happy with parents who really care,it might have been for the best.

 

This whole "professional" angle stinks of Plan B from the late 1970s. Donald Rumsfeld and co were tasked with providing an alternate take on what was thought to be the diminishing power of Russia. Their agenda from the start was hawkish, so when they couldn't find something, they started making sh!t up.

 

"We can't see many Russian submarines so they must have super stealthy submarines". Same thing applies here. No credible abductor has ever been identified so it has to be a professional or ninja or something. Anything that points the blame away from the McCanns.

[Viking Warrior]

Jack Frost out of interest why have these efit pictures been released four years later

 

Surely it would have been better to put them in the public domain back in 2009 . When they were put together by one of the investigation teams the mcanns hired . People's minds would have been a lot fresher then as opposed to 6.5 years later when people's minds will be far less clearer .

[JackFrost]

Chalk another idiot up to Verbal's "it had to be murder" brigade. Fk sake, JackFrost. I expect it from persistent contrarians like aintforever and Gemmel. I would expect a more balanced appraisal from someone who is presumably trained in aspects of law, and should be able to distinguish between the various charges that can be brought when someone is adjudged to have been responsible for another's death.

 

The only people talking about murder here are the McCann apologists, usually to get an emotional response which defies the logic and evidence at hand.

 

Seems to me that the Portuguese police looked at the evidence and found the McCann's and their cohorts' statements to be wildly inaccurate. They were not treating it as an abduction, with exactly the same justification British plod would use in similar circumstances.

 

You talk about lack of evidence, but just like the rest of your mob, are ignoring the evidence your own dog handlers presented. Reacted to both the apartment and their car. The dog hasn't been wrong before or since, as I understand.

 

They were never treated as suspects by British OB. They're not even up on charges of child abandonment in Portugal, which carries a maximum ten year jail sentence. Whatever else they may be, they are certainly guilty of that.

 

You don't have a clue what you're talking about and you're clearly very confused about what my opinion on this case is.

 

And by the way I've come across a few child abuse victims who would willingly enlighten you as to what constitutes child abandonment, and what sentence the McCanns would likely get if they ever stood trial for it.

[hypochondriac]

Difficult one this. Do we listen to pap or the ex police chief. Hmm.

[Viking Warrior]

Pap of course hypo he's always right even when he might be wrong

[View From The Top]

Pap has never said that they murdered their kid but he is saying they might of killed her. Big difference and millions also consider it highly plausible.

[mcjwills]

You don't have a clue what you're talking about and you're clearly very confused about what my opinion on this case is.

 

And by the way I've come across a few child abuse victims who would willingly enlighten you as to what constitutes child abandonment, and what sentence the McCanns would likely get if they ever stood trial for it.

 

But what caring responsible parent would go out and leave their children alone in a flat, I certainly would not. If I was on holiday with my children they came out with me at ALL times.

[ottery st mary]

Difficult one this. Do we listen to pap or the ex police chief. Hmm.

 

 

I for one would listen to pap any day of the week.....

 

 

The Policeman does not inspire me with any real detective ability..

 

No disrespect Jack Frost but your posts are very strange...

[aintforever]

Pap has never said that they murdered their kid but he is saying they might of killed her. Big difference and millions also consider it highly plausible.

 

I don't think many people think it was murder but the whole sedatives idea I find so far fetched, I just don't see how it would fit in with the timeline.

 

Did they find out she was dead before the tapas and then go and have the meal anyway (very weird), or did they find her dead on the first check and somehow hatch a plan to dispose of the body without anyone else noticing (unlikely). Or were the whole Tapas 7 in on it (very unlikely).

 

Add to that the fact that they are inviting the worlds media to throw a spotlight on what happened and are encouraging the Police to investigate thoroughly. It makes the idea that they killed her and dumped the body somewhere very fanciful.

[Barry Sanchez]

This is the first time in a year I am in full agreement with that Hobbit Pap.

[egg]

I don't think many people think it was murder but the whole sedatives idea I find so far fetched, I just don't see how it would fit in with the timeline.

 

Did they find out she was dead before the tapas and then go and have the meal anyway (very weird), or did they find her dead on the first check and somehow hatch a plan to dispose of the body without anyone else noticing (unlikely). Or were the whole Tapas 7 in on it (very unlikely).

 

Add to that the fact that they are inviting the worlds media to throw a spotlight on what happened and are encouraging the Police to investigate thoroughly. It makes the idea that they killed her and dumped the body somewhere very fanciful.

 

More fanciful than the idea of random blokes roaming around a holiday complex hoping to find kids left home alone while their parents go out for tapas?

[Whitey Grandad]

More fanciful than the idea of random blokes roaming around a holiday complex hoping to find kids left home alone while their parents go out for tapas?

 

Surely if that were the situation then dozens of other kids would be going missing?

[pap]

This is the first time in a year I am in full agreement with that Hobbit Pap.

 

Your support is appreciated, and I'm humble enough to accept the hobbit charge.

[egg]

Surely if that were the situation then dozens of other kids would be going missing?

 

Indeed. Having stayed at these type of family friendly complexes many times, I'd be surprised if someone could roam around said family friendly complex and happen to stumble across a couple who leave their kids home alone.

 

That, the 48 unanswered questions, and the washed teddy are unusual features.

[Special K]

I don't think many people think it was murder but the whole sedatives idea I find so far fetched, I just don't see how it would fit in with the timeline.

 

Did they find out she was dead before the tapas and then go and have the meal anyway (very weird), or did they find her dead on the first check and somehow hatch a plan to dispose of the body without anyone else noticing (unlikely). Or were the whole Tapas 7 in on it (very unlikely).

 

Add to that the fact that they are inviting the worlds media to throw a spotlight on what happened and are encouraging the Police to investigate thoroughly. It makes the idea that they killed her and dumped the body somewhere very fanciful.

 

The "checks" would probably have been to see if she was just there, not to see if she was alive. If the sedative story is to be believed, then they may have checked her more thoroughly as a matter of course and then possibly found she had passed on. But it does seem fanciful that someone with very limited knowledge of the local environment would have the ability to dispose of a body so quickly and so efficiently to the end that if it were true, hasn't been found even now.

 

It's all very strange. Very strange indeed, (crikey i'm beginning to sound like Ottery!)

[hutch]

I for one would listen to pap any day of the week.....

 

 

The Policeman does not inspire me with any real detective ability..

 

No disrespect Jack Frost but your posts are very strange...

If you're going to listen to pap, Pops, you'll need to set aside the whole day

 

On the accidental doping thing, we've been expats for a while now. When our teenage son was a baby the recommendation from all the "in the know" experienced ex-pats was to slip the baby a couple of antihistamine tablets before a long flight, so the baby would sleep through the flight and not keep everybody awake. We never did, but a LOT of the others did. We're talking about professional qualified people here.

[OldNick]

I don't think many people think it was murder but the whole sedatives idea I find so far fetched, I just don't see how it would fit in with the timeline.

 

Did they find out she was dead before the tapas and then go and have the meal anyway (very weird), or did they find her dead on the first check and somehow hatch a plan to dispose of the body without anyone else noticing (unlikely). Or were the whole Tapas 7 in on it (very unlikely).

 

Add to that the fact that they are inviting the worlds media to throw a spotlight on what happened and are encouraging the Police to investigate thoroughly. It makes the idea that they killed her and dumped the body somewhere very fanciful.

Surely they couldn't say to the police and media, 'don't go looking for her' it is a baffling situation,where one minute they look guilty the next they are not. I'm more on them being responsible than not.

[aintforever]

More fanciful than the idea of random blokes roaming around a holiday complex hoping to find kids left home alone while their parents go out for tapas?

 

I don't find the idea of a peado kid-knapping a young child that far fetched.

 

IMO it was either a lone weirdo who noticed the cries of a child alone or maybe saw her through the window (the apartment was very accessible to the public road) and took the opportunity. Or an organised gang - there were reports of men hanging around the area and the holiday makers did appear to have a routine where the kids were left alone at that time in the evening. A member of the hotel staff could easily have contacts with a gang.

 

I don't have a problem believing a couple like that could accidentally drug the kid but disposing of a body and covering up what they did whilst fitting in a tapas meal with friends (and acting rationally) in that time-scale is just hard to believe. Add to that the fact that they are actively getting detectives and the media to put he happenings under a microscope, it flies in the face of all rational thinking.

[egg]

I don't find the idea of a peado kid-knapping a young child that far fetched.

 

IMO it was either a lone weirdo who noticed the cries of a child alone or maybe saw her through the window (the apartment was vegry accessible to the public road) and took the opportunity. Or an organised gang - there were reports of men hanging around the area and the holiday makers did appear to have a routine where the kids were left alone at that time in the evening. A member of the hotel staff could easily have contacts with a gang.

 

I don't have a problem believing a couple like that could accidentally drug the kid but disposing of a body and covering up what they did whilst fitting in a tapas meal with friends (and acting rationally) in that time-scale is just hard to believe. Add to that the fact that they are actively getting detectives and the media to put he happenings under a microscope, it flies in the face of all rational thinking.

 

Whichever way you argue this case, there are conclusions and actions that that aren't rational.

 

Why refuse to answer plods questions? The DNA? The blood? Why wash your missing child's scent off her teddy? I defy any parent to say that they wouldn't treasure that scent.

[ottery st mary]

If you're going to listen to pap, Pops, you'll need to set aside the whole day

 

On the accidental doping thing, we've been expats for a while now. When our teenage son was a baby the recommendation from all the "in the know" experienced ex-pats was to slip the baby a couple of antihistamine tablets before a long flight, so the baby would sleep through the flight and not keep everybody awake. We never did, but a LOT of the others did. We're talking about professional qualified people here.

 

 

pap reminds of Morse:)..clever sod.

 

where as Jack Frost reminds me of...well Jack Frost:D

 

Not sure about Chief Redwood:scared:

 

They may both (all) get somewhere in the end.....

 

Depends on their agenda;)

 

But Morse was much more interesting.........

 

Medication was just a theory due to all the trouble Kate was alleged to be having with her daughter...

[Lord Duckhunter]

But what caring responsible parent would go out and leave their children alone in a flat, I certainly would not. If I was on holiday with my children they came out with me at ALL times.

 

I actually go on holiday to spend time with my family, and that includes the kids. Some of my favourite memories are of the 6 of us eating out abroad together.