Viking Warrior Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Another anti nc thread . I'm not surprised oh and Nixon is a total numpty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 To be fair. The whole set up at the club is a joke. We can't complete a transfer deal to save our lives. How we ever got promoted I have no idea NC could not spot a decent manager if it hit him in the face and his business model is completely fuk'd Just be easier if we knew our ace and accepted relegation back to the NPC now. Saves all the hassle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 this nixon matey might have an idea about the odd transfer but don't trust his judgement, most of his scoops get fed to him by his big mates like Owen Coyle (once described as the next bill shankly and personally recommended to burnley by "nicko"), fat Sam (must have been the only footy defending venkys, until they sacked Fat Sam) and Steve Bruce (funny he suddenly knew what was going on at Hull when Bruce took charge). In general he rarely knows **** our signings unless we're buying from a northern team. Forren, Yoshida, Lovren, De Ridder, Hooiveld, Lee, Clyne and he was claiming Ramirez was agent talk until just before he signed nor does he shy away from having digs at MP, his fav being that he can't speak English let's also not forget why he no longer writes for the independent http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2004/sep/03/theindependent.pressandpublishing no idea why people hang on this gimp's every word. hate to rant but this Nixon clown has previous with other clubs when it comes to mischief making. Why do you think Nixon would make up stuff about Cortese/Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 We have a major problem, imo. Katherine Liebherr and family did their bit, and after being bulled in an unedifying manner via the media, have opened their cheque book. I cannot for the life of me imagine MP has not been forthcoming with a list of proposed positions to strengthen and appropriate targets. We have been linked with players and I cannot imagine no activity is going on (whether it has been productive is a point for discussion). We know Wanayama is more than rumour and conjecture. But nothing is being closed. I am really concerned. We should applaud NCs rumoured allergy to agents fees; not only is it the moral high ground, but he is demonstrating a committment to get Katherine Liebherr value-for-money which in a way is repaying her agreeement to provide support. But (and its a biggie), if we miss capturing the players to keep us up for the sake of a few 100K, it is a false economy which will bite us on the arse if we should be relegated. Is NC being too bloody-minded ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 I do get the feeling that at some point (especially if we're aiming for Europe) NC will need to suck it up and pay larger agent fees. It's all very well not paying more than 650k but I get the feeling it'll only get us so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 absolutely but you forgot to add lamberrt, clyne cork, boruc etc How much did they cost and the mangers at the time had a say on those, on the posh continentals Cortese has a monopoly......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 How much did they cost and the mangers at the time had a say on those, on the posh continentals Cortese has a monopoly......................... What about Les? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Leslie "Charlton" Reed should not be anywhere near a football club and him doing so sort of says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkiesaint Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Are our agents fees especially anomalous? I know some figures were posted on here but they seemed to be from the season in the championship. If they are anomalous another reason could be that the Don is trying to structure the deals according to some tax minimising strategy, and for some reason payments for agents aren't recorded as such. Perhaps the reason for deals falling through is that many agents or players are not happy with the structure. Alternatively he could be getting the player to pay the agent's fees, but then setting up some structure to help the player avoid tax. In this case maybe players aren't happy. They don't want to end up like Messi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Leslie "Charlton" Reed should not be anywhere near a football club and him doing so sort of says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 this nixon matey might have an idea about the odd transfer but don't trust his judgement, most of his scoops get fed to him by his big mates like Owen Coyle (once described as the next bill shankly and personally recommended to burnley by "nicko"), fat Sam (must have been the only footy defending venkys, until they sacked Fat Sam) and Steve Bruce (funny he suddenly knew what was going on at Hull when Bruce took charge). So in other words, he has contacts? Why on earth is it a bad thing that he has stories 'fed to him' by Premier League managers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Looking at the level of agent's fees we paid last summer I would suggest Saints are unpopular, but not inexperienced in the transfer market. It could be said we are better at it that others in terms of value for money. I don't get the fuss about Nixon either. Get's as much wrong as he does right and never seen any real 'scoops'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Looking at the level of agent's fees we paid last summer I would suggest Saints are unpopular, but not inexperienced in the transfer market. It could be said we are better at it that others in terms of value for money. I don't get the fuss about Nixon either. Get's as much wrong as he does right and never seen any real 'scoops'. He definitely had a scoop with Clyne, broke that story. Also Jay Rod I think. Plus Mayuka also. He is certainly a lot more ITK with certain clubs over others but that goes for many Journalists. At least he is interested in things outside the top 6 PL teams and interacts with fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 He definitely had a scoop with Clyne, broke that story. Also Jay Rod I think. Plus Mayuka also. Yeah well apart from all those, what has he ever done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Yeah well apart from all those, what has he ever done? Admitted he knew little about the other deals we did, rather than pretend he knew all along. Would listen to a story of his more than most anyway. Especially compared to shysters like Crook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 FWIW I think Nixon might have had better contacts under the Adkins management inside the club than what he have these days. Now he only seems guessing and having som grudge against Cortese judging from his tweets.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 FWIW I think Nixon might have had better contacts under the Adkins management inside the club than what he have these days. Now he only seems guessing and having som grudge against Cortese judging from his tweets.. He broke our bid for Wanyama which was true (I think he has good Celtic contacts though). Re Cortese, he has no reason for a grudge, and his comments were plausible as an opinion. Gets most his info from Agents and a few Managers I reckon. Plus, Managers would know which teams were close to other players as they might has also asked about them. Nixon has more sources than most in that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 So apart from Clyne, Jay Rod, Mayuka and Wanyama what has he ever done? Glasgow saint has broken more stories than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 An awful lot of journalists don't like Cortese - he's no great friend of the trade and word of the Echo affair spread quite quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 We seem to mostly be going for young players of high quality that could claim to be good enough to play for bigger clubs than us, or at least for clubs in a better position than us, ie CL. The trouble at the moment seems, to me, to be persuading those players to come to us while we are in this position of potential. We have also been linked to a few older players that I dismissed at first for being too old for our vision but I now think this could be a good idea. We need the kind of players that will really make a difference and push us on into a team capable of competing for a place in Europe. It could be that an older player that perhaps would not be pushing for a move to a top 6 club, such as Defoe or similar, could make that difference, so that next season we are in a more appealing position to sign those younger players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 I dont know what people are worrrying about, "the don" will bring more quality like he did in the shape of Mayuka, Forren, Ramirez and Guly......................... Aside from the merits of Guly and the fact that we have yet to see Forren play, can't we put the whole Ramirez thing to bed already? Easily the most gifted player in the squad, and despite his fitness levels and inconsistency, he had a far more productive season than our captain who seems to attract little to no criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 So apart from Clyne, Jay Rod, Mayuka and Wanyama what has he ever done? Glasgow saint has broken more stories than that. Lovren, Wanyama, Boruc, the kit, the hairdryers ect ect + 3 or 4 inside secrets revealed and yet some still question me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 To be fair. The whole set up at the club is a joke. We can't complete a transfer deal to save our lives. How we ever got promoted I have no idea NC could not spot a decent manager if it hit him in the face and his business model is completely fuk'd Just be easier if we knew our ace and accepted relegation back to the NPC now. Saves all the hassle Is this a joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Is this a joke? Batman being a joker? #notlikely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Is this a joke? I think he is trying to emulate Turkish's sarcastic posting style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 We have a major problem, imo. Katherine Liebherr and family did their bit, and after being bulled in an unedifying manner via the media, have opened their cheque book. I cannot for the life of me imagine MP has not been forthcoming with a list of proposed positions to strengthen and appropriate targets. We have been linked with players and I cannot imagine no activity is going on (whether it has been productive is a point for discussion). We know Wanayama is more than rumour and conjecture. But nothing is being closed. I am really concerned. We should applaud NCs rumoured allergy to agents fees; not only is it the moral high ground, but he is demonstrating a committment to get Katherine Liebherr value-for-money which in a way is repaying her agreeement to provide support. But (and its a biggie), if we miss capturing the players to keep us up for the sake of a few 100K, it is a false economy which will bite us on the arse if we should be relegated. Is NC being too bloody-minded ? Excellent post and sums up perfectly my own thoughts on this. I do think we have enough to stay up though. I thought last year there were 3 worse teams than us and I think the same again for the coming season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Conversation between some Saints fans and Alan Nixon (Mirror Journalist that is usually pretty reliable when it comes to Saints News/Rumours): tom7lawrence: @reluctantnicko seems quiet at St. Mary's, any saints news Al? reluctantnicko: @tom7lawrence Too quiet. tom7lawrence: @reluctantnicko is that quiet before the storm u think? reluctantnicko: @tom7lawrence There will be a storm if it stays this quiet. Coach wanted players. The Don demanded the cheque book ... Who to blame now? tom7lawrence: @reluctantnicko sounds like a conspiracy theory u have there ha ha reluctantnicko: @tom7lawrence No. The Don wanted control. He got control. If he can't sign players it is on him. No-one else. tom7lawrence: @reluctantnicko so is it wages , agents fees, over ambitious targets or a combination of all 3? reluctantnicko: @tom7lawrence Seems like targets are good but problems crop up. Best word to cover all of the failed deals is 'inexperience in market' d9scott: @reluctantnicko @tom7lawrence there still a while in the window. not quite the time to expect the worst So seems like Les Reed/Cortese have picked out a number of key targets during the season to buy in the summer, said to MoPo that they'll be plenty of signings but don't really know how to do complete the signing of a player. Worrying if this is true, would hope we're a bit more savvy in the transfer market than Nixon thinks. Funny how Les Reed's name only gets brought up when the stories are negative, poor bloke. I hope he equally gets some credit when the new signings inevitably do start to arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 How much did they cost and the mangers at the time had a say on those, on the posh continentals Cortese has a monopoly......................... Of course they did, Cortese and Les only had a say in those that failed Dune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 MoPo at the end of last season: We will try to speed us the decisions that need to be made because, if we can't get things sorted by 1 July, players are going to have trouble adapting." Brave of you Blakey as I got pilloried last week for pointing out this little gem. I think the term 'idiot' or some such was used but I was only quoting what was reported. Well July 1st has come and gone so what does poor MP do now poor thing? Looks like another struggle to stay up.... and evryone a yerra older which i good for Luke Shaw but not good for Rickie or Jos or Jose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Note the word 'try'. They will have tried. That's okay, and they know it isn't easy to do deals this early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Aside from the merits of Guly and the fact that we have yet to see Forren play, can't we put the whole Ramirez thing to bed already? Easily the most gifted player in the squad, and despite his fitness levels and inconsistency, he had a far more productive season than our captain who seems to attract little to no criticism. Why haven't we signed Gascoigne then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Funny how Les Reed's name only gets brought up when the stories are negative, poor bloke. I hope he equally gets some credit when the new signings inevitably do start to arrive. Les Reed is a joke of a man when it comes to football, athletes over footballers shall be his legacy, I would rather trust Gerrard and Charlton fans over our own biased lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Les Reed is a joke of a man when it comes to football, athletes over footballers shall be his legacy, I would rather trust Gerrard and Charlton fans over our own biased lot. What the hell do you know about anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 What the hell do you know about anything? TBF I don't think he was claiming any knowledge himself, he was referring to Charlton fans and Gerrard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 What the hell do you know about anything? I dont I'm quoting Steven Gerrard and Charlton fans, I'm also questioning his managerial career, his policies within the FA of bringing on youth 10 years ago (how many good youth players or young ones compared to others Nations do we have?). http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6181993.stm http://whatculture.com/sport/premier-league-10-worst-managers-of-all-time.php/3 Yes Les is remembered alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Right. So Gerard's opinion on him is gospel I'm not quite sure why he even gets mentioned (Reed) to be honest Only ever comes up where there is a slight negative story Come on dune, you can do better than this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 TBF I don't think he was claiming any knowledge himself, he was referring to Charlton fans and Gerrard. Batman has been lost since the 3rd film came out and was ****, he is a lost soul looking for justice, helping Les out makes him feel more whole.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Right. So Gerard's opinion on him is gospel I'm not quite sure why he even gets mentioned (Reed) to be honest Only ever comes up where there is a slight negative story Come on dune, you can do better than this Lets talk football about Les Batters, I would rather listen to Gerrard who has the respect of the footballing World as opposed to Leslie, or the Charlton fans who still remember "Les Miserables". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Best way to judge Les Reed: 1) Some old quotes; or 2) Recent performance. Well, either he is heavily involved in the successes/failures at the club or he isn't. You can't have it both ways. I would say, on the whole, the Liebherr/Cortese era has been a success. If anyone would say otherwise, I would suspect they are a tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Lets talk football about Les Batters, I would rather listen to Gerrard who has the respect of the footballing World as opposed to Leslie, or the Charlton fans who still remember "Les Miserables". This is not your best work. Saw better on foreversaints site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 This is not your best work. Saw better on foreversaints site No you didn't from me, pap stopped this (never apologized for it mind) but this is your supposed weapon against me ha ha, no wonder Robin ****ed off with Catwoman, who calls himself Batman on a forum? Batman from Millbrook or Thornhill just does not cut it.......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Lets talk football about Les Batters, I would rather listen to Gerrard who has the respect of the footballing World as opposed to Leslie, or the Charlton fans who still remember "Les Miserables". Gerrard once said Joe Cole was as good as Messi. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/10/joe-cole-messi-gerrard-liverpool So if you don't mind I'll ignore what that plank has to say on football matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Les Reed is a joke of a man when it comes to football, athletes over footballers shall be his legacy, I would rather trust Gerrard and Charlton fans over our own biased lot. Is there anyone at Southampton Football Club that you like just out of interest? Or would you rather we all started hating everyone and everything Soton fc related...? In the case of the latter, hmm.... I wonder what your agenda is Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Right. So Gerard's opinion on him is gospel I'm not quite sure why he even gets mentioned (Reed) to be honest Only ever comes up where there is a slight negative story Come on dune, you can do better than this I think Gary Neville tells a story in his autobiography of Kevin Keegan falling asleep during one of Les Reed's coaching lectures when he was involved in the England set-up. Whether that's a positive or negative reflection on Reed, I'm not sure............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 I think Gary Neville tells a story in his autobiography of Kevin Keegan falling asleep during one of Les Reed's coaching lectures when he was involved in the England set-up. Whether that's a positive or negative reflection on Reed, I'm not sure............. luckily, he is not coaching at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 I think Gary Neville tells a story in his autobiography of Kevin Keegan falling asleep during one of Les Reed's coaching lectures when he was involved in the England set-up. Whether that's a positive or negative reflection on Reed, I'm not sure............. Probably a lecture on how to coach a defensive back line. No surprise that Keegan may have slept through that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 I just ignore cr@p like this. Journos and agents have so many agendas and axes to grind. If a journo has criticised Cortese then it means an agent has, and in my opinion it's good that agents don't like Cortese because it means he is driving a hard bargain. We may lose out on the odd player because Cortese is such a hard bastard but in the long run the club will be stronger for not paying a fortune to these leaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Just one simple thought.... I am pretty sure a lof of people would say that paying over the top to clubs, agent and players would be proof of inexperience, not the opposite..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Just one simple thought.... I am pretty sure a lof of people would say that paying over the top to clubs, agent and players would be proof of inexperience, not the opposite..... It isn't over the top it is the market rate for the best players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Is there anyone at Southampton Football Club that you like just out of interest? Or would you rather we all started hating everyone and everything Soton fc related...? In the case of the latter, hmm.... I wonder what your agenda is Larry Indifference is worse than love or hatred, thats what I think of many modern day footballers, I suspect many feel like that, I write it though, this sums it up where the game is today http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23157912 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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