BlakeySFC Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 (edited) Conversation between some Saints fans and Alan Nixon (Mirror Journalist that is usually pretty reliable when it comes to Saints News/Rumours): tom7lawrence: @reluctantnicko seems quiet at St. Mary's, any saints news Al? reluctantnicko: @tom7lawrence Too quiet. tom7lawrence: @reluctantnicko is that quiet before the storm u think? reluctantnicko: @tom7lawrence There will be a storm if it stays this quiet. Coach wanted players. The Don demanded the cheque book ... Who to blame now? tom7lawrence: @reluctantnicko sounds like a conspiracy theory u have there ha ha reluctantnicko: @tom7lawrence No. The Don wanted control. He got control. If he can't sign players it is on him. No-one else. tom7lawrence: @reluctantnicko so is it wages , agents fees, over ambitious targets or a combination of all 3? reluctantnicko: @tom7lawrence Seems like targets are good but problems crop up. Best word to cover all of the failed deals is 'inexperience in market' d9scott: @reluctantnicko @tom7lawrence there still a while in the window. not quite the time to expect the worst So seems like Les Reed/Cortese have picked out a number of key targets during the season to buy in the summer, said to MoPo that they'll be plenty of signings but don't really know how to do complete the signing of a player. Worrying if this is true, would hope we're a bit more savvy in the transfer market than Nixon thinks. Edited 2 July, 2013 by BlakeySFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Yes, we evidently do not know how to sign players... sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Im not worried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 2 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 2 July, 2013 (edited) Yes, we evidently do not know how to sign players... sigh. MoPo at the end of last season: We will try to speed us the decisions that need to be made because, if we can't get things sorted by 1 July, players are going to have trouble adapting." Edited 2 July, 2013 by BlakeySFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 And I quote Sam Allardyce from last season. 95% of transfer enquiries/deals never complete for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Alan Nixon. Alex Crook. Simon Peach. Listen to Monk. And THEVMAN. Oh, and Glasgow Saint! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 MoPo at the end of last season: 'We hope to have all our signings in before the 1st July' Where's the issue with that? I'm seeing the word "hope", not "have". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 MoPo at the end of last season: 'We hope to have all our signings in before the 1st July' He never said that though, did he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 2 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 2 July, 2013 (edited) Where's the issue with that? I'm seeing the word "hope", not "have". The issue with that is that is: A. Got fans hopes up that we'd actually be able to get our arse in gear and sign almost everyone we wanted to sign before July 1st. B. MoPo was assured (behind the scenes) that we'd make signings quickly, before pre-season and it hasn't come to fruition, we've only signed Loven for pete's sake and Wanyama is signing for Cardiff this week. Edited 2 July, 2013 by BlakeySFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Alan Nixon. Alex Crook. Simon Peach. Listen to Monk. And THEVMAN. Oh, and Glasgow Saint! Don't forget Crab Lungs!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2326128/Premier-League-transfers--summer-2013.html Everton, Tottenham, Newcastle, West Brom and Crystal Palace still to get their first signing of the summer. Guess they´re even more inexperienced then?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 which parts of that conversation are from the journalist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Don't forget Crab Lungs!!! Lol... I think Paul Chuckle deserves a mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 which parts of that conversation are from the journalist? The @tomlawrence lines are from Journo Nixon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2326128/Premier-League-transfers--summer-2013.html Everton, Tottenham, Newcastle, West Brom and Crystal Palace still to get their first signing of the summer. Guess they´re even more inexperienced then?? That's why youre top 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 2 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 2 July, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2326128/Premier-League-transfers--summer-2013.html Everton, Tottenham, Newcastle, West Brom and Crystal Palace still to get their first signing of the summer. Guess they´re even more inexperienced then?? I personally wasn't saying we're unexperienced in the transfer market, just passing on the advice of a trusted journo (in regards to Saints) that we are (in his opinion) unexperienced in the transfer market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 To be fair to Cortese he can only do so much, it's up to a player and his agent if they want to come and that's still a hard sell given were a bottom tier PL side I do wonder if/why we're not in for lower tier players as well though, or if all our eggs are in the 'big signing' bracket. Hopefully we're doing both and building a better squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 That's why youre top 10 Still, that dont get me into Europe Need top 6 for that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 I can't see anything other than a defeat in this match I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Needless panic over transfers already. Obviously NC can't deal in transfer market efficiently, Ramirez and Lovren prove this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 What people need to remember is that we are looking at European top level players, those deals aren´t finished in a couple of days. It´s not the Darren Kentons, Higginbothams and Telfers we´re trying to get in here these days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 What people need to remember is that we are looking at European top level players, those deals aren´t finished in a couple of days. It´s not the Darren Kentons, Higginbothams and Telfers we´re trying to get in here these days... This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Op getting a rep for making silly season posts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 MoPo at the end of last season: 'We hope to have all our signings in before the 1st July' Is this a real quote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Still, that dont get me into Europe Need top 6 for that... Need to improve your post count mate..... Youre on 4.74 per day. Need to be hitting 8-10 minimum Look at Batman...... 20 posts per day! #Dedication Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Need to improve your post count mate..... Youre on 4.74 per day. Need to be hitting 8-10 minimum Look at Batman...... 20 posts per day! #Dedication Who is number one?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 2 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Is this a real quote? Yes. I did paraphrase though, his exact quote was: "We will try to speed us the decisions that need to be made because, if we can't get things sorted by 1 July, players are going to have trouble adapting." http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/mauricio-pochettino-threatens-to-quit-southampton-if-nicola-cortese-leaves-8620017.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Thing is we're going for ambitious targets, we're competing against Champions League teams for these targets. The success rate is going to be low, but it only takes one. Failing that, we can then lower our ambitions a bit and sign a couple of good, competitive squad players. Enjoy the ride, no need to panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 I was thinking its "too quiet" myself as well. Two weeks ago the latest player associated with us was coming out every day... Now nothing for a fortnight. Its almost like NC has said " if this gets out deal Is dead"....as was rumoured to be part of his modus operandii.woild not be surprised if we got multiethnic irons in fires right now...just edit and see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Needless panic over transfers already. Obviously NC can't deal in transfer market efficiently, Ramirez and Lovren prove this. Not to mention Yoshida, Boruc, Lee and loads of British based signings. We've probably signed more players than many other clubs over the last 3 or 4 years, so our inexperience is obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Who is number one?? Turkish or MLG imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Nowhere near close enough to the transfer deadline to give up on primary targets. I am genuinely not fussed other than being eager to understand who our actual targets are. I am assuming we are going after players who are better than what we have, I don't think those sort of signings happen out of the blue. I'd imagine many players wait to see if something better comes along as well which is fair enough. Unless this Nixon chap provides some insight as to what this 'inexperience' consists of I am not too bothered about what he says either, whether it is true or not. Journalists who act cryptic are annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Inexperience in the Transfer Market = Not paying stupid agent fees yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 I wonder how many of these knock backs we seem to get are down to the fact we are heading into World Cup year,some of these names we are looking at are internationals or fringe,they surely must have one eye on Brazil? Lets be honest we are not a big boy in world football and we are not a well known club on the world stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 In the last 4 years Nicola Cortese has completed 51 incoming (loan/transfer) player transactions for a total cost of over £50m, including ones for £12m, £10m and £7m. Last year he secured circa £35m worth of incoming transfers whilst paying only £600k in agent fees. He is not "inexperienced in the transfer market". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Most deals are done late. Player waits for best club and best terms; Club waits for best players to become available; The ol' merry-go-round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 In the last 4 years Nicola Cortese has completed 51 incoming (loan/transfer) player transactions for a total cost of over £50m, including ones for £12m, £10m and £7m. Last year he secured circa £35m worth of incoming transfers whilst paying only £600k in agent fees. He is not "inexperienced in the transfer market". He is inexperienced in bringing in the type of players we have been linked with this window i.e. players who should be playing for top European teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Also Nixon did not say inexperience in the transfer market he said inexperience in the market. We are inexperienced in the market of players we are going for it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Also Nixon did not say inexperience in the transfer market he said inexperience in the market. We are inexperienced in the market of players we are going for it seems. I think he's mistaking Corteses refusal to play ball with agents as inexperience in all honesty. Makes sense though as agents of top quality players are going to want a bigger cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Also Nixon did not say inexperience in the transfer market he said inexperience in the market. We are inexperienced in the market of players we are going for it seems. I was responding to the thread title which is "Inexperience in the transfer market". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Yes. I did paraphrase though, his exact quote was: "We will try to speed us the decisions that need to be made because, if we can't get things sorted by 1 July, players are going to have trouble adapting." http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/mauricio-pochettino-threatens-to-quit-southampton-if-nicola-cortese-leaves-8620017.html So quite a big difference from what you quoted originally then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 I think he's mistaking Corteses refusal to play ball with agents as inexperience in all honesty. Makes sense though as agents of top quality players are going to want a bigger cut. Well if that is the case (and of course it is speculation) then it is possibly still inexperience to think we can sign all these top players and yet pay the agents nothing. It is pointless going for players and then not paying agents the going rate as they will not be coming here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 I was responding to the thread title which is "Inexperience in the transfer market". OK so you agree then that we show inexperience in the market we are going for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Don't worry MLG is on the case. Nixon will rue the day he ever went on twitter. Is time line will be so full of stats he won't be able to see straight. #MLGtotherescue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 (edited) Well if that is the case (and of course it is speculation) then it is possibly still inexperience to think we can sign all these top players and yet pay the agents nothing. It is pointless going for players and then not paying agents the going rate as they will not be coming here. OK so you agree then that we show inexperience in the market we are going for. Lovren and Ramirez suggest that some will. Yes, alot won't like the lack of agent fee on offer and we'll get a lot of rejections but some deals for big players will go through imo. Just a question of patience and sticking to your principles. Which I think Cortese will do. If more chairmen took Cortese's approach to agent fees football would be better off! Edited 2 July, 2013 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 A lot of panic over nothing really. If signings were straightforward then the football columns in the papers become meaningless. I think people read way too much into the comments MP said about the 1st of July etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Tweet him the stadium plans godo, he obviously has no idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 A lot of panic over nothing really. If signings were straightforward then the football columns in the papers become meaningless. I think people read way too much into the comments MP said about the 1st of July etc. But it only takes about 5-6 clicks on football manager...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 But it only takes about 5-6 clicks on football manager...? And there in lies the source of modern day impatience from forum posters..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 FM Saints Researcher (@MatthewLeGod) 02/07/2013 22:43 @reluctantnicko In last 4 years Cortese has completed 51 incoming player transactions worth over £50m including ones for £12m, £10m and £12m FM Saints Researcher (@MatthewLeGod) 02/07/2013 22:44 @reluctantnicko Last year £35m of incoming transfers whilst paying only £600k agent fees. He is not "inexperienced in the market". Alan Nixon (@reluctantnicko) 02/07/2013 22:54 @MatthewLeGod oh ***** off back to the Jonas Bros forum #pencildic Firm but fair I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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