Lowe on radio now

[Gemmel]

i have not even looked into any other clubs yet...

 

That might be a good place to start. We have had the 2nd biggest drop out of all leagues. Given that we are almost 30% above the average, there must be something over and above the normal trend, that is keeping people away. I'm not saying it is definately down to lowe, but to write it off as nothing, when there quite obviously IS something that is keeping more of our fans away than clubs.

[once_bitterne]

Actually I don't think either of them are lying. To this day I still do not believe that Paul Allen had any interest whatsoever in buying the club. Firstly there is just the sheer unlikelyhood that an American with no previous interest in football who is one of the richest men in the world would buy a team like us in the second tier of English football. To a man to whom money is no object, if he did want to get involved, then it would be in the Prem just as Glazer and Lerner have done.

Also, the official line from the club when there were questioned about the Allen saga was that they were contacted by someone purporting to represent Paul Allen who said he was interested in buying the club. However, when they investigated this further they found the individual was not who he said he was and so that was the end of things. This was response was given at either one of the Saints Trust meetings with the club or one of the fan's forums and was reported in the write up on the message boards so I don't for the life of me see how anyone (inc. Crouch) can state the he feels there was any truth in Allen being interested in us.

My own belief in this remains as it was. The whole Allen thing was concocted by the then Execs in order to deflect attention that their £8m or bust gamble with George Burley had failed and they had no Plan B. The whole Summer of Allen speculation meant that they managed to get through what could have been a very difficult summer for them to remain in position and instead all attention was directed to thoughts of a mega bucks takeover. I'm sure the fact that the speculation sent the share price through the roof didn’t hurt either.

 

And it's anyone's guess as to how much or how little Wilde knew of this.

[Thedelldays]

That might be a good place to start. We have had the 2nd biggest drop out of all leagues. Given that we are almost 30% above the average, there must be something over and above the normal trend, that is keeping people away. I'm not saying it is definately down to lowe, but to write it off as nothing, when there quite obviously IS something that is keeping more of our fans away than clubs.

you could say that we are just going down to normal CCC levels..

many many teams above us would love to get the crowds we do EVERY WEEK

[Gemmel]

Actually I don't think either of them are lying. To this day I still do not believe that Paul Allen had any interest whatsoever in buying the club. Firstly there is just the sheer unlikelyhood that an American with no previous interest in football who is one of the richest men in the world would buy a team like us in the second tier of English football. To a man to whom money is no object, if he did want to get involved, then it would be in the Prem just as Glazer and Lerner have done.

 

Also, the official line from the club when there were questioned about the Allen saga was that they were contacted by someone purporting to represent Paul Allen who said he was interested in buying the club. However, when they investigated this further they found the individual was not who he said he was and so that was the end of things. This was response was given at either one of the Saints Trust meetings with the club or one of the fan's forums and was reported in the write up on the message boards so I don't for the life of me see how anyone (inc. Crouch) can state the he feels there was any truth in Allen being interested in us.

 

My own belief in this remains as it was. The whole Allen thing was concocted by the then Execs in order to deflect attention that their £8m or bust gamble with George Burley had failed and they had no Plan B. The whole Summer of Allen speculation meant that they managed to get through what could have been a very difficult summer for them to remain in position and instead all attention was directed to thoughts of a mega bucks takeover. I'm sure the fact that the speculation sent the share price through the roof didn’t hurt either.

 

And it's anyone's guess as to how much or how little Wilde knew of this.

 

I also believe that it was somebody actiing on or claiming to act on behalf of PA. However the club formally announced to the stock market that we were in negociations and the club were put it a bid situation. I don't know for sure, but am guessing (I'll leave it to others that know for sure to confirm) that if it was all ********, then someone has broken the law. I am assumming the buck stops with Hone. Something or somebody convinced the board PA was serious.

[Viking Warrior]

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Edited 7 December, 2008 by Viking Warrior

[Legod Third Coming]

That might be a good place to start. We have had the 2nd biggest drop out of all leagues. Given that we are almost 30% above the average, there must be something over and above the normal trend, that is keeping people away. I'm not saying it is definately down to lowe, but to write it off as nothing, when there quite obviously IS something that is keeping more of our fans away than clubs.

 

Wouldn't you have to look at clubs with 27 years of top flight football who narrowly avoided relegation last season from the old second dvision?

 

Don't worry, Charlton might have been claiming 20k there last Saturday but there were no more than 16k in reality...

 

Think about this seriously. Which football fans genuinely either go or stay away because of who is on the board??

 

We draw United, the game will sell out. What does that say??

[slickmick]

That might be a good place to start. We have had the 2nd biggest drop out of all leagues. Given that we are almost 30% above the average, there must be something over and above the normal trend, that is keeping people away. I'm not saying it is definately down to lowe, but to write it off as nothing, when there quite obviously IS something that is keeping more of our fans away than clubs.

 

 

1/ 1 win at home all season.

2/ Only 3 remaining players from the previous season.

3/ Team mainly made up of youth team and loans.

4/ Another change of manager.

5/ Fears of administration and relegation.

6/ More players to be sold.

7/ Rupert Lowe and the rest of the boardroom shananigans.

 

All these factors have sent doom and gloom around our fan base. Its just made to many people depressed at the thought of what lies ahead and too many have just thought feck it, I can't be doing with it any more.

 

What percentage have stayed away for what ever reason is anyone's guess. But you can bet your life that if Crouch took over tommorrow we wouldn't suddenly see 5000 fans return.

Win the next 2 or 3 games and you might.

[1976_Child]

Sell KD and we are as good as down

 

absolutely. if super Kel goes then we can all start planning our league one away trips...

[Weston Saint]

Stanley , something I agree with you on wilde is definately a waste of space.

 

I acknowledge your point re lowe being divisive, how ever if we were to get rid of lowe and his cronies , it will cost the club a fortune in severence pay. money we call ill afford to waste.

Oh and Crouch got paid off I understand. So if that is true and he did come back to the fold would he pay back his severence money.I don't think so

If Crouch came back Im sure we would not see a return of the absent 5-6k

stay away fans

 

 

Like the other two i do not trust him. It may seem oscure about my statement about stability on keeping lowe. but this is to do more with financial prudence and keeping stability on the playing field another change of boardroom antics and potential change of manager will not help the club one iota.

 

What we need is a totally fresh baord and new monies, until that happens then however painful it is for us we have to live with lowe for the forseeable future.

 

Crouch was not taking a salary so could not and was not paid off.

 

Wilde and Cowen are not taking salaries so cannot be paid off, they are entitled to nothing. Lowe is being paid for his CEO duties 2 days a week. I suspect about £50,000 a year no more so no significant pay off there.

[Mole]

Crouch was not taking a salary so could not and was not paid off.

 

Wilde and Cowen are not taking salaries so cannot be paid off, they are entitled to nothing. Lowe is being paid for his CEO duties 2 days a week. I suspect about £50,000 a year no more so no significant pay off there.

 

I'm sure Dragonov knew all this, but it's par for the course for Lowe fanatics to peddle lies.

[alpine_saint]

So, Lowe has played his trump card.

 

The old "we cant stop a player leaving if he wants to" excuse we heard dragged out so many times during his past tenure.

 

So, seeing as Kelvin Davis has gone on record saying he doesnt want to leave, we can be 100% sure he is staying, can we ?

 

Riiiiiiiiight.....

[OldNick]

A villa in europe wasn't it ??

 

LC told a mate of mine, who he does business with in Lymington, at the time that the PA thing was a done deal, makes you wonder why ??

very few people really know the truth. I certainly dont for certain but there are many things that pointed to it happening and there were a lot of people on this side who were certain.

I bellieve that the fanying around put him off

[Thedelldays]

dont know what the fuss is..

 

only a simpleton would realise we will sell ANY player if the price is right...we would in this league regardless of our financial plight...

[slickmick]

dont know what the fuss is..

 

only a simpleton would realise we will sell ANY player if the price is right...we would in this league regardless of our financial plight...

 

Any club in any league would. Not just our league.

[Viking Warrior]

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Edited 7 December, 2008 by Viking Warrior

[Mole]

Weston thanks for that

 

and contrary toward the informed Mr Stanley states I didnt know that they were not getting a salary, Which makes the pay off to hone dalliui and co even more obscene. £600k

 

Oh Stanley , rest assured I am no lowe fanatic.

It just I make my assertions by looking at the wider picture not your retinitis pigmentosa view!!!

 

LOL at the wider picture. You're clueless as your previous posts show.

[Thedelldays]

LOL at the wider picture. You're clueless as your previous posts show.

ok...lowe leaves tomorrow..then what?

[Tom28]

Players might leave in January, but thats football. Every chairman of every football club outside the top 4 will say something along the lines of what Lowe has said - 'we don't need to sell players but we will if the player wants to leave and we'll get the best deal'. Even Randy Lerner and his multi millions was saying last summer the same thing about Gareth Barry. It happens. If we lose two or three of our better players this January, its not the fault of Rupert Lowe. Kelvin Davis is replaceable - I think we have two keepers who could step in and do a job. Adam Lallana is replaceable, we have Lee Holmes back from injury in the new year who I thought was playing better anyway before he got injured. We'll move on and we'll adapt to any changes that come.

 

As for the stay away fans - see you at St Mary's on the weekend of 3rd and 4th January you no-good, fair weather, pathetic excuses for football fans...

 

If only there was a way to pick them out and refuse them tickets for that game...

[benjii]

Weston thanks for that

 

and contrary toward the informed Mr Stanley states I didnt know that they were not getting a salary, Which makes the pay off to hone dalliui and co even more obscene. £600k

 

Oh Stanley , rest assured I am no lowe fanatic.

It just I make my assertions by looking at the wider picture not your retinitis pigmentosa view!!!

 

Similar to Lowe and Cowen's £563,000 the first time round?

[benjii]

Here is my take on it from many snippets of conversations I have had.

 

"tommac" knows Allen through the airline leasing business and also knows Paul Gregg a previous director and shareholder of Everton. That is the football connection.

 

"tommac", I will not use his real name, approaches Saints board to say Allen is interested. He also lets it slip to the London papers on purpose for obvious reasons.

 

Allen is not interested but "tommac" convinced the board that Allen has cooled on the deal but worry not as he and Gregg often buy into a deal, clean it up and Allen follows.

 

Discussions take place to try to convince all the main shareholders to agree to sell their shares but Wilde smells a rat as no finances have been revealed just promises.

 

When the deal is stuttering and knowing how desperate the existing Executives are to clinch a deal he askes and gets a 5 figure sum to broker a deal with a larger 5 figure sum when clinched. To keep up his importance he leaks more to the London press.

 

By some warped sense he thinks, quite wrongly, a message board can also further his desires.

 

However this is not his business nor does he have the right experience and when things do not develop he stoops to be even more economical with the truth.

 

The rest, as we say, is history.

 

"tommac" was the poison from the moment he arrived on behalf of Allen

 

That is my opinion of what took place. As I say it is based on some facts disclosed to me from many sources.

 

Anyway it is history now and I will not be commenting on it further.

 

So at that point, if discussions were succesful, to whom are the shares sold and where does the money come from?

 

Tom Mcloughlin and Gregg in the hope that they can sell on again one day for a profit? Sounds like an awful risk for a middle manager in a two-bob leasing company.

 

If Gregg was interested, a man with a track-record of investment in football, why not cut out the enormous plonker of a middle man and conduct a professional approach using, er.... professionals?

 

If Lowe, Wilde or Crouch gave that person the time of day then it is quite staggering.

Edited 5 December, 2008 by benjii

[up and away]

I also believe that it was somebody acting on or claiming to act on behalf of PA. However the club formally announced to the stock market that we were in negotiations and the club were put it a bid situation. I don't know for sure, but am guessing (I'll leave it to others that know for sure to confirm) that if it was all ********, then someone has broken the law. I am assuming the buck stops with Hone. Something or somebody convinced the board PA was serious.

 

The announcement to the stock market was forced upon the club by the original article in the Evening Standard and Crouch's statement to the Echo

[Gemmel]

The announcement to the stock market was forced upon the club by the original article in the Evening Standard and Crouch's statement to the Echo

 

Actually the club made a statement at the time that after talks with the takeover panel, they were advised to put the company in a "bid situation"

[OldNick]

Similar to Lowe and Cowen's £563,000 the first time round?

 

if the Wilde bunch had not rode in both payments would have been saved.

[Viking Warrior]

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[Mole]

Stanley your entitled to your opinion which I respect but disagree about

 

"LOL at the wider picture. You're clueless as your previous posts show"

 

Im not clueless, far from it, but then i dont have the same vile anti lowe ethos you have. and I try to look at the whole scenario without bringing the lowe angle into the equation.

 

Its not a rosy situation I agree, but we cannot afford any more merry go rounds with the past and present board members.

 

I may not be articulating my point very well to you, as you are constantly intimating Im a Lowe luvvie. I am far from being a lowe luddite quite the contrary.

 

Can I ask you to take your friggin sun glasses off and come up with a sensible reasoned argument how we can get the club out of the current economic mess we find ourselves in. Unless we have Paul Allen or some other rich benafactor that can come to our rescue, then in my opinion we are stuffed.

 

I agree on one thing the in fighting between the respective parties needs to stop.

 

You articulate your "point" perfectly well, the problem is you don't know what you are talking about as Weston Saint has shown.

[Mole]

Weston thanks for that

 

and contrary toward the informed Mr Stanley states I didnt know that they were not getting a salary, Which makes the pay off to hone dalliui and co even more obscene. £600k

 

Oh Stanley , rest assured I am no lowe fanatic.

It just I make my assertions by looking at the wider picture not your retinitis pigmentosa view!!!

 

Similar to Lowe and Cowen's £563,000 the first time round?

 

Draganov as you like to look at the wider picture why no comment on the Lowe and Cowens payday?

[NickG]

if Lowe stabalises the club and manages to get promotion will you return?

 

Never while he's at the club. I've set my stall out and i'll stick to it.

 

Stanley -what exactly is your staying for then? Is it because he has ruined the club with relegation - in which case if he rectifies the problem with promotion surely you would return? Or is it you just don't like him?

 

Not baiting genuine question, as I can understand staying away for loads of reason such as where we are at etc (and blaming Lowe for that) but just because he is sat in the stands??? Surely if Crouch who would have more reason to sulk and take it personally still goes?

[SW11_Saint]

Typical Lowe statement - putting onus on players, trying to abstain himself of any responsibility - prior to the inevitable fire sale that will happen in January... (at which point he can turn around and say he wanted to keep them but the bid from Fulham/Spurs/Stoke and the chance to play in the Premiership was just too much of an attraction...).

 

Incidentally, why isn't the Chairman of SFC handling this media onslaught?

[Mole]

Typical Lowe statement - putting onus on players, trying to abstain himself of any responsibility - prior to the inevitable fire sale that will happen in January... (at which point he can turn around and say he wanted to keep them but the bid from Fulham/Spurs/Stoke and the chance to play in the Premiership was just too much of an attraction...).

 

Incidentally, why isn't the Chairman of SFC handling this media onslaught?

 

Wilde ROFL.

 

He's like the chinese bloke in I'm a celebrity get me out of here - he doesn't do anything.

[Charlie Wayman]

The problem would seem to be that our creditors are calling the shots and are calling in extraordinary loans like the £4.7 million loss we made last year. Don't forget the banks are in trouble deep and nowhere near out of the woods yet so their own survival is at stake. Their survival must rank above ours and in that context selling a few players to reduce our unsecured loan is a no brainer. Who at the Bank gives a sh** about Saints except that it is not in their interest for us to end up in administration so selling any decent assets helps them and helps them help us to stay afloat.

 

There may be no end to this viscous downward spiral; with only 14000 people really interested it is hard for Chairman Lowe to convince the bank that salvation is just around the corner when evidently it is not.

[Right sider]

Wilde ROFL.

 

He's like the chinese bloke in I'm a celebrity get me out of here - he doesn't do anything.

 

Presumably you are refering to the Japanese gentleman George Takei.

[Mole]

Presumably you are refering to the Japanese gentleman George Takei.

 

That's the one.

[Viking Warrior]

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[um pahars]

Typical Lowe statement - putting onus on players, trying to abstain himself of any responsibility

 

Yet he tries to blame others for the loss of Bale, Baird and Jones. Work that one out:rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

Of course he would have stood in their way and made them stay wouldn't he:confused::confused::confused:

 

Incidentally, why isn't the Chairman of SFC handling this media onslaught?

 

I presume you are being ironic here????

 

Lowe is running the show, full stop.

 

Wilde gets to write a column in the programme and call himself Chairman, but with two of the other directors in his pocket, there is no other way than Lowe's way.

[Mole]

Another Lowe classic on similar lines surrounded the Sturrock affair:

 

'I've made it quite clear our club is run by the board, not the media

 

 

'Our fans have to have trust in the board and we have a policy of not commenting on individuals, it is not fair on them.

 

 

'We run our club the way we think is best and that's good enough for us.

 

 

'All managers are judged on results - that's a fact of football - but our club has come a long way and is one of the best run in the country.

 

 

'There seem to be people keen to denigrate what we have achieved but we will stick together and move forward.

 

 

'As far as we are concerned, Paul Sturrock is our manager - he's running the club and we don't feel the need to comment on idle speculation.'

 

 

 

48 hours later Sturrock left "by mutual consent" () and Lowe said:

 

 

 

"When this pressure is compounded by a constant stream of negative and unfair media coverage, which has taken on a life of its own recently, the position becomes untenable.

 

"Those people responsible for perpetrating this unsatisfactory situation, often in return for financial reward, should take a long hard look at themselves."

 

So in 48 hours the club goes from NOT BEING RUN by the media to BEING RUN by the media. ROFL.

[NickG]

Another Lowe classic on similar lines surrounded the Sturrock affair:

 

'I've made it quite clear our club is run by the board, not the media

 

 

'Our fans have to have trust in the board and we have a policy of not commenting on individuals, it is not fair on them.

 

 

'We run our club the way we think is best and that's good enough for us.

 

 

'All managers are judged on results - that's a fact of football - but our club has come a long way and is one of the best run in the country.

 

 

'There seem to be people keen to denigrate what we have achieved but we will stick together and move forward.

 

 

'As far as we are concerned, Paul Sturrock is our manager - he's running the club and we don't feel the need to comment on idle speculation.'

 

 

 

48 hours later Sturrock left "by mutual consent" () and Lowe said:

 

 

 

"When this pressure is compounded by a constant stream of negative and unfair media coverage, which has taken on a life of its own recently, the position becomes untenable.

 

"Those people responsible for perpetrating this unsatisfactory situation, often in return for financial reward, should take a long hard look at themselves."

 

So in 48 hours the club goes from NOT BEING RUN by the media to BEING RUN by the media. ROFL.

 

.........and breathe.....and let it go!

[Totton Red]

here is my take on it from many snippets of conversations i have had.

 

"tommac" knows allen through the airline leasing business and also knows paul gregg a previous director and shareholder of everton. That is the football connection.

 

"tommac", i will not use his real name, approaches saints board to say allen is interested. He also lets it slip to the london papers on purpose for obvious reasons.

 

Allen is not interested but "tommac" convinced the board that allen has cooled on the deal but worry not as he and gregg often buy into a deal, clean it up and allen follows.

 

Discussions take place to try to convince all the main shareholders to agree to sell their shares but wilde smells a rat as no finances have been revealed just promises.

 

When the deal is stuttering and knowing how desperate the existing executives are to clinch a deal he askes and gets a 5 figure sum to broker a deal with a larger 5 figure sum when clinched. To keep up his importance he leaks more to the london press.

 

By some warped sense he thinks, quite wrongly, a message board can also further his desires.

 

However this is not his business nor does he have the right experience and when things do not develop he stoops to be even more economical with the truth.

 

The rest, as we say, is history.

 

"tommac" was the poison from the moment he arrived on behalf of allen

 

that is my opinion of what took place. As i say it is based on some facts disclosed to me from many sources.

 

Anyway it is history now and i will not be commenting on it further.

 

soap?

[corsacar saint]

I saw the interview on sky sports news, Lowe is so full of his own self importance, that I

am surprised that it was not shown on the national news. Also does the prat think he

is watching Manchester United listening to the type of football he was describing.

[Thedelldays]

I saw the interview on sky sports news, Lowe is so full of his own self importance, that I

am surprised that it was not shown on the national news. Also does the prat think he

is watching Manchester United listening to the type of football he was describing.

you only have to read this place after a game to get that impression...cant blame lowe for that..

[Long Shot]

Stanley , something I agree with you on wilde is definately a waste of space.

 

I acknowledge your point re lowe being divisive, how ever if we were to get rid of lowe and his cronies , it will cost the club a fortune in severence pay. money we call ill afford to waste.

Oh and Crouch got paid off I understand. So if that is true and he did come back to the fold would he pay back his severence money.I don't think so

If Crouch came back Im sure we would not see a return of the absent 5-6k

stay away fans

 

 

Like the other two i do not trust him. It may seem oscure about my statement about stability on keeping lowe. but this is to do more with financial prudence and keeping stability on the playing field another change of boardroom antics and potential change of manager will not help the club one iota.

 

What we need is a totally fresh baord and new monies, until that happens then however painful it is for us we have to live with lowe for the forseeable future.

 

 

For someone who claims to have some background in employment law you sure like to chuck the odd dangerous inaccuracy around. It is no wonder some chose to belittle your opinions.