Saint Charlie Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 Players back in for pre season today. Not Billy Sharp though: billy sharp@billysharp10 50m Enjoy pre season!! Wimbledon here I come. #pimmsoclock Imagine he has been told he will be sold soon. All other players expected back apart from I guess Yoshida, Ramirez, JWP and maybe Clyne & Boruc who played Intls earlier in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 I saw the Sharp tweet and thought the same thing. I'll always be very grateful for his contribution. Did exactly what he was signed to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 If he is being sold, seems a bit unprofessional to be drinking pimms rather than keeping himself in shape for his next club. As above I will always remember him fondly for his contribution - he would be a cult hero if it wasn't for David f*cking Norris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 Was meant to be there today, bit gutted but starting new job so I'll get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 I hope MP makes them run until they puke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 I hope MP makes them run until they puke. Why? Have they done something wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 Why? Have they done something wrong? Of course not. I just would like to see them fit for the new season. I'd also give Gashton extra laps. It worked for Strachan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 I hope MP makes them run until they puke. Sports science in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 Of course not. I just would like to see them fit for the new season. I'd also give Gashton extra laps. It worked for Strachan. Fitness is not an issue for our squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 Fitness is not an issue for our squad. Don't spoil his fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 Where's Pilchards? They didn't cut his tree down, did they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 Nathaniel Clyne @Nathaniel_Clyne 2m Off for a day out to do some shopping #Paris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 Just out of interest for any sports scientists out there..... If a player was a 100% fit when they finished the season, what sort of percentage would they be, reporting back today, assuming they didn't have the same training schedule while they were away, that they would have during a season? Is there an acceptable or un acceptable percentage shape to report to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 I hope MP makes them run until they puke. I understand your sentiment but its pretty old hat to think that vomiting is the sign of increased fitness. That's what I used to think near thirty years ago when training my amateur footy team. Sports science has moved on considerable since then. If your real meaning is "I want them to be super-fit" then with the technology at their disposal its quite simple to see who is and who is not in good shape. Gone are the days when MLT could cheat the weighing scales by leaning against the wall a bit etc... Incidentally - Saints are widely regarded as one of the fitter teams in the EPL, and our pressing game is not one for players of limited fitness of that I'm certain. My only concern on fitness is that there is a school of thought that says our high intensity pressing game cannot be sustained a whole season unless we have a squad that is deep. Beyond the first 14 /15 the quality drops dramatically though. Which means the same players doing more and more...you can only go to the well so many times..... by the end of the season the peak intensity of performance over the course of 90 mins must be affected for those ever-presents (SRL case in point) .....and perhaps that what we saw the last six games...we appeared to lack absolute gut-busting intensity and did not have a second set of fresher players of the same standard to bring it back in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinR Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 I remember Matthew Pinsent once saying that you lose about 5% of your fitness levels for every week you don't train. Or was it 10% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 I hope MP makes them run until they puke. you are such a font of knowledge on fitness, arent you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 I remember Matthew Pinsent once saying that you lose about 5% of your fitness levels for every week you don't train. Or was it 10% With 3 months off an athlete is likely to lose around 50% of their aerobic conditioning, so 5% per week sounds about right. If it's a linear loss, the most disciplined players should be reporting at approximately 70% of full fitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 First part of pre-season training will be a shock to the body in order to start conditioning it to quick recovery. However, most pre-season training these days is also less intensive than you would assume since the players will be expected to maintain fitness (if not improve) over the course of the season. If you overwork them in the summer then at the start of the season there is some early benefit but it rapidly tails off post-Christmas as the body can't take it along with the inevitable knocks that are carried by the players. So it is more about being sharp for the start of the season and fit enough to perform at a good level over the course of a season, rather than being pushed too much in the summer and then being unable to sustain a level of fitness over 9 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 Fitness is not an issue for our squad. Actually I think it was. We let in soooooo many late goals. We were superior to anyng when in the championship but how times times have you heard that you get even less time in the ball in Premiership. I would like to think that we could step up even further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 I hope MP makes them run until they puke. I remember those sessions but today it is completely different! There are a number of components to 'fitness' - strength, power, agility, flexibility, balance, local muscle endurance, cardiovascular endurance, strength endurance and balance (1). The first four are the main components of fitness but all nine contribute and will also vary to each sport. Cardio work will impact the other components. TANCRED, B. (1995) Key Methods of Sports Conditioning. Athletics Coach, 29 (2), p. 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 Just out of interest for any sports scientists out there..... If a player was a 100% fit when they finished the season, what sort of percentage would they be, reporting back today, assuming they didn't have the same training schedule while they were away, that they would have during a season? Is there an acceptable or un acceptable percentage shape to report to? I guess if they've looked after themselves they might come back at 80% of match fitness? Guess it's hard to measure accurately in that they can very accurately measure the players' physical condition but 'match fitness' is a far more abstract concept? Also throw in that very few players will have finished the season at 100%. I'm sure the players are in the right hands and hopefully they will all build steadily to be Saints-fit for the first league game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 Players at Solent Uni today and tomorrow doing Vo2 max testing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 (edited) Edited 1 July, 2013 by Bearsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 Luke Shaw @Luke_shaw3 19m Vo2 max testing has killed me pic.twitter.com/XnbwVl00BF View photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 I've done that VO2 test, not enjoyable at all!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 1 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 1 July, 2013 I've done that VO2 test, not enjoyable at all!! Talk us through it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 Basically run until you can't run anymore. Treadmill gets quicker and bigger gradient every minute, and you just keep going until you are done. Measures your VO2 max which is something about your body using the most oxygen when you're knackered or something like that anyway....I was doing it as a favour for a mate who was doing his dissertation at uni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 For all the advances in sports science, diet, awareness of career lengthening etc etc, in the 10 years which have elapsed, I would agree that our squad has never been as fit as it was when Strachan was in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 1 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 1 July, 2013 For all the advances in sports science, diet, awareness of career lengthening etc etc, in the 10 years which have elapsed, I would agree that our squad has never been as fit as it was when Strachan was in charge. Luckily the players are better at passing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 For all the advances in sports science, diet, awareness of career lengthening etc etc, in the 10 years which have elapsed, I would agree that our squad has never been as fit as it was when Strachan was in charge. They wouldn't last 30 minutes against the current squad. There may have been one or two exceptions like Telfer and Tessem but we also had Svensson, Lundekvam, Beattie, Delap and, of course, MLT for part of the WGS reign. He did well with what he had but nowhere near the current set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 I hope MP makes them run until they puke. The English fan's mentality all over. Lots of players running around a lot. Excellent Don't forget the puking Adrian, the puking is a top priority in all the modern sports science academic literature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 The English fan's mentality all over. Lots of players running around a lot. Excellent Although the VO2 max test is just a sort of scientific equivalent of 'running till you puke', I think Alpine can rest easy that the players will be given a thorough seeing-to over the next couple of days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 Players at Solent Uni today and tomorrow doing Vo2 max testing... I prefer that kit to the real one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 Basically run until you can't run anymore. Treadmill gets quicker and bigger gradient every minute, and you just keep going until you are done. Measures your VO2 max which is something about your body using the most oxygen when you're knackered or something like that anyway....I was doing it as a favour for a mate who was doing his dissertation at uni. Anyway you run until you can no longer follow the increments in speed, you might still be able to run but you can't run any faster. Then you train at around that speed for relatively short periods (say 5 minutes) with longer periods slightly lower and shorter periods slightly higher. Best way to improve V02 max is 1min/1min. Calculated distance to be acomplished in 1 min at say speed VO2 max + 1 km/h then calculated distance in 1 minute at VVO2 max-1, repeated 4 or 5 times then a 2 minute break then back to the 1/1. 3 series,4 or 5 repetitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 People seem to have forgotten that in the last few months of Strachan's tenure we were actually pretty poor, players showing a lack of fitness and mental strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 People seem to have forgotten that in the last few months of Strachan's tenure we were actually pretty poor, players showing a lack of fitness and mental strength. Strachan's tenure really wasn't great except when Beatts had a purple patch and Fenandes literaly ran rings round the opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 I puked loads Friday night / Saturday morning, I must be super fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 3 July, 2013 First day back at Staplewood today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 I think they must be starting earlier than the usual day to day mid season training, I used to pass Jose Fonte at about 8.30 at Michelmersh, the last 3 days he's been going through Romsey at 8.00. Is MP getting an extra 30 minutes out of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Although the VO2 max test is just a sort of scientific equivalent of 'running till you puke', I think Alpine can rest easy that the players will be given a thorough seeing-to over the next couple of days. Ooo er, missus.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 They wouldn't last 30 minutes against the current squad. There may have been one or two exceptions like Telfer and Tessem but we also had Svensson, Lundekvam, Beattie, Delap and, of course, MLT for part of the WGS reign. He did well with what he had but nowhere near the current set up. Thats fair enough, as long as the club is following contemporary thinking. My comment was more a metaphor for ensuring the club is doing all it can to ensure a high level (not necessary peak) level of fitness for seasons start to ensure competitiveness over 90mins, which seems to be something we historically arent very good at - except under Strachan. Under WGS, we often came back into games at the end as the opponents tired, the complete opposite of what tends to happen now. I wasnt a big believer in all this, until I watched my son play U16 as a fill-in last season (he is only 12 and qualified for U14). His team were excellent in the first half, but in the second they tired, lost concentration, and lost the game. I remember one game it was 0-0 at half time and 7-0 at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 I think they must be starting earlier than the usual day to day mid season training, I used to pass Jose Fonte at about 8.30 at Michelmersh, the last 3 days he's been going through Romsey at 8.00. Is MP getting an extra 30 minutes out of them? He must live a fair way out if you're passing him up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Thats fair enough, as long as the club is following contemporary thinking. My comment was more a metaphor for ensuring the club is doing all it can to ensure a high level (not necessary peak) level of fitness for seasons start to ensure competitiveness over 90mins, which seems to be something we historically arent very good at - except under Strachan. Under WGS, we often came back into games at the end as the opponents tired, the complete opposite of what tends to happen now. I wasnt a big believer in all this, until I watched my son play U16 as a fill-in last season (he is only 12 and qualified for U14). His team were excellent in the first half, but in the second they tired, lost concentration, and lost the game. I remember one game it was 0-0 at half time and 7-0 at the end. Luckily, Saints are an elite, premier league side so whatever goes on at your sons u-16 teams or whatever is entirely irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 (edited) Luckily, Saints are an elite, premier league side so whatever goes on at your sons u-16 teams or whatever is entirely irrelevant. Yes because Saints didnt lose their concentration at all last season, leading to dropped points, did they ? Oh.... Edited 3 July, 2013 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Luckily, Saints are an elite, premier league side so whatever goes on at your sons u-16 teams or whatever is entirely irrelevant. That's not the most scientific thing I've ever read on here. Probably as many similarities as there are differences. Number 1- they both wear a similar template kit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 It's approximately 43 years since I last did any serious training. That makes me only about 87% fit right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Yes because Saints didnt lose their concentration at all last season, leading to dropped points, did they ? Oh.... Very very few were down to being knackerad in the final 10 minutes though... Man C away, Man U home, Stoke away, Wigan away and Spurs away. And you can easily argue that all of them were more because opponents put everything forward when trailing from the results they wanted out of the game. And to be clear, Man C, Man U and Spurs were expecting wins so from a draw they put everything forward in the last stage of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Basically run until you can't run anymore. Treadmill gets quicker and bigger gradient every minute, and you just keep going until you are done. Measures your VO2 max which is something about your body using the most oxygen when you're knackered or something like that anyway....I was doing it as a favour for a mate who was doing his dissertation at uni. seems they do that instead of the beep test these days, which used to be the fitness bench mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 July, 2013 Author Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Very very few were down to being knackerad in the final 10 minutes though... Man C away, Man U home, Stoke away, Wigan away and Spurs away. And you can easily argue that all of them were more because opponents put everything forward when trailing from the results they wanted out of the game. And to be clear, Man C, Man U and Spurs were expecting wins so from a draw they put everything forward in the last stage of the game. Man City away was just the kind of bombardment that happens from good teams, likewise Man Utd home which was also poor tactics by NA. Stoke away was poor tactics from NA sitting back too much and changing to a back 5 against a team that like to pin you back. Wigan away was poor concentration, but hardly fitness as the goal we scored 5 mins earlier on the counter attack was a demonstration of excellent fitness and stamina. Spurs away was a freak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Man City away was just the kind of bombardment that happens from good teams, likewise Man Utd home which was also poor tactics by NA. Stoke away was poor tactics from NA sitting back too much and changing to a back 5 against a team that like to pin you back. Wigan away was poor concentration, but hardly fitness as the goal we scored 5 mins earlier on the counter attack was a demonstration of excellent fitness and stamina. Spurs away was a freak. Agree, none were because being knackered IMO but only put the stats up cause opinions dont bite on him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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