Spudders Posted 5 July, 2013 Share Posted 5 July, 2013 ^^ Ah well, that's that then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Saints News & Talk @SaintsFCFans 4m @tancredipalmeri surely not Damiao and Gomez? Damiao a back up? Tancredi Palmeri @tancredipalmeri 3m .@SaintsFCFans you know, clubs play on different tables when they are not particularly outbidding the competitors It's basically saying 'Murray wins his semi match.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_au Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 can we get gomez instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 What does that mean? Naples in the kiddies swimming pool - us in the grown up one. Or if you like Naples playing the bingo table and us playing at the main poker table :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 If Napoli are genuinely interested and have made Damiao's agent aware then we won't stand a chance of competing against them, on a few different levels. Champions League Football, wages, signing on fee, agent's fee, top class manager, lifestyle etc. We'll only get him if we're the only option available IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 If Napoli are genuinely interested and have made Damiao's agent aware then we won't stand a chance of competing against them, on a few different levels. Champions League Football, wages, signing on fee, agent's fee, top class manager, lifestyle etc. We'll only get him if we're the only option available IMO. Or get him to sign on our dotted line as soon as possible before he has a chance to realise he's made a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 If Napoli are genuinely interested and have made Damiao's agent aware then we won't stand a chance of competing against them, on a few different levels. Champions League Football, wages, signing on fee, agent's fee, top class manager, lifestyle etc. We'll only get him if we're the only option available IMO. Intl strikers like Damiao will always have more than one option and Im sure Saints are well aware of that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 I know its yet ANOTHER YouTube video but this shows his all round game. Looks to me like the closest, genuine, most like for like replacement for Lambert we've been linked with. Judging by this video and the other videos, he looks a perfect match for our style of play. Scores goals, good in the air, holds up play, pace and power. Perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 I know its yet ANOTHER YouTube video but this shows his all round game. Looks to me like the closest, genuine, most like for like replacement for Lambert we've been linked with. Judging by this video and the other videos, he looks a perfect match for our style of play. Scores goals, good in the air, holds up play, pace and power. Perfect. Is it just me, or is the standard of defending and goalkeeping absolutely horrific in this video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Looks as though he might be alright in the rain judging from 1min 46s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Never even heard of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Never even heard of him. That's because you spend all your time sitting in your halls of residence, wan*ing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Is it just me, or is the standard of defending and goalkeeping absolutely horrific in this video? Agree with this. I'm really struggling to see how someone playing against defences like that is worth 25 million euros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Is it just me, or is the standard of defending and goalkeeping absolutely horrific in this video? Are you saying maybe we could throw Hooiveld and Fox into the deal to lower the price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Is it just me, or is the standard of defending and goalkeeping absolutely horrific in this video? Agree with this. I'm really struggling to see how someone playing against defences like that is worth 25 million euros. The majority of goals are scored due to poor defending. Highlights of a striker's youtube "best bits" are unlikely to show top class defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Agree with this. I'm really struggling to see how someone playing against defences like that is worth 25 million euros. Well, Neymar just went to Barca for 57m Euros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 The majority of goals are scored due to poor defending. Highlights of a striker's youtube "best bits" are unlikely to show top class defending. So are you saying most of the goals we conceded last season were down to defensive errors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 So are you saying most of the goals we conceded last season were down to defensive errors? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Yes. And most of the ones we scored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Tbf he also scored 6 goals at the London Olympics and I think has 3 goals for Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 And most of the ones we scored? Yep, same again. I don't see why you find the idea so surprising. Why do you think teams with better defenders concede fewer goals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Why does it say saints is his current club on wiki? Wishful thinking I think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Yep, same again. I don't see why you find the idea so surprising. Why do you think teams with better defenders concede fewer goals? Lol. Or maybe they make more tackles and interceptions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Why does it say saints is his current club on wiki? Because Wikipedia can be edited by anyone in the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Lol. Or maybe they make more tackles and interceptions? And not making a tackle or interception that a better defender would have, is a form of a defensive error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Because Wikipedia can be edited by anyone in the world? I knew that but isn't it moderated by wiki for accuracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 I knew that but isn't it moderated by wiki for accuracy? Hard to monitor every Wiki page 24/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Hard to monitor every Wiki page 24/7. True! Personally I think it's a pipe dream why would he come here? But the same was said about gaston and he signed because "they are paying me a lot of money!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Looks a bit too good for us from the videos to be honest! Dell sized mentality, I know. Could we really compete with the amount in wages this guy is probably going to want? His mates in the national team are all on huge money at Chelsea, Barcelona, Real Madrid etc. Will he be content with our lower wages? Or are we going all Pompey now, paying crazy wages and going all out for the top? I'd love to have a chat with Cortese about what his plan really is. He seems absolutely crazed on big success. It's pretty exciting, could fail miserably though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 And not making a tackle or interception that a better defender would have, is a form of a defensive error. No it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 He 'might' come here as we are one of only a few clubs in the world getting close to meeting the asking price. He might come here if he wants improved wages, and a chance to play in Europe. He won't come here if he's happy to wait for a better offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 No it's not. Of course it is ffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Tbf he also scored 6 goals at the London Olympics and I think has 3 goals for Brazil. who did he score the other 3 goals for then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Of course it is ffs! No, it's not. Failing, for example, to pull off an utterly incredible last ditch clearance off the line - the sort of clearance that could only be achieved by the very best of defenders in the world - does not constitute a "defensive error". Nor does failing to save a well taken penalty - just because the very best goalkeeper in the world might just have saved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 who did he score the other 3 goals for then? He has scored 3 goals for the full Brazil international team, and also 6 goals for the Brazilian Olympic team (U23s). Olympic/U23 is not counted as full international appearances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 No, it's not. Failing, for example, to pull off an utterly incredible last ditch clearance off the line - the sort of clearance that could only be achieved by the very best of defenders in the world - does not constitute a "defensive error". Nor does failing to save a well taken penalty - just because the very best goalkeeper in the world might just have saved it. Oh yes it is. Its not the "utterly incredible last ditch clearance" we are talking about here, its tackling the man who makes the pass to the man who makes the pass to the man who makes the run/shot that requires the "utterly incredible last ditch clearance" we are talking about here. Or getting the tackle in 30 yards from goasl instead of standing off and letting the man make the run that forces the penalty. Of course it isn't spectacular like the "utterly incredible last ditch clearance" but its what saves heaps more goals nad its what makes good defending. Borign but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 who did he score the other 3 goals for then? Brazil, obviously, but the full national team and the Olympic team are not one and the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Why does it say saints is his current club on wiki? Wishful thinking I think! Because someone with the IP address 86.9.15.225 on Virgin Media thought it would be funny to edit the wiki page at 10.42 this morning. The Moderators will no doubt undo this edit soon. Really don't see why people still think its funny to edit wiki pages, these sort of edits are always spotted and undone, you need to not only edit the page but provide backup for the edits before they are accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 (edited) Because someone with the IP address 86.9.15.225 on Virgin Media thought it would be funny to edit the wiki page at 10.42 this morning. From the dodgy flats on the junction of Orchard Lane and King Street in Soton. If people knew how much was easily traceable they probably wouldn't do it. http://goo.gl/maps/t7QpV Edited 6 July, 2013 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Yep, same again. I don't see why you find the idea so surprising. Why do you think teams with better defenders concede fewer goals? So you're saying teams shouldn't buy decent strikers or creative players, just buy good defenders because they will score goals anyway due to defensive errors, yes? Ramirez and Rodriguez was a waste of money and so will daiamo, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Oh yes it is. Its not the "utterly incredible last ditch clearance" we are talking about here, its tackling the man who makes the pass to the man who makes the pass to the man who makes the run/shot that requires the "utterly incredible last ditch clearance" we are talking about here. Or getting the tackle in 30 yards from goasl instead of standing off and letting the man make the run that forces the penalty. Of course it isn't spectacular like the "utterly incredible last ditch clearance" but its what saves heaps more goals nad its what makes good defending. Borign but true. Nah, not really. Clearly, Man Utd concede less goals than Saints because they have a better defence. But the difference isn't simply "defensive errors" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 So you're saying teams shouldn't buy decent strikers or creative players, just buy good defenders because they will score goals anyway due to defensive errors, yes? Ramirez and Rodriguez was a waste of money and so will daiamo, yes? That clearly isn't the point he is making. After a game, you must have heard a losing manager say "we should have defended better for the goals". Whereas the winning manager will say, "our movement/set piece/skill for the goal was outstanding". It's just a case of perspective. If a good striker nutmegs a centre back is that good skill from him or a **** up from the defender? Depends which way you look at it doesn't it? Nobody on this forum would ever say, "what great skill from that Chelsea player to put it through Danny Fox's legs", just as we would never say "that was poor by that United defender that got skinned by Lallana". We would say it was poor defending by fox and great skill by Lallana. Therefore, you could argue that every time a player beats another player it is because of poor play, just as much as you could say it was good play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 That clearly isn't the point he is making. After a game, you must have heard a losing manager say "we should have defended better for the goals". Whereas the winning manager will say, "our movement/set piece/skill for the goal was outstanding". It's just a case of perspective. If a good striker nutmegs a centre back is that good skill from him or a **** up from the defender? Depends which way you look at it doesn't it? Nobody on this forum would ever say, "what great skill from that Chelsea player to put it through Danny Fox's legs", just as we would never say "that was poor by that United defender that got skinned by Lallana". We would say it was poor defending by fox and great skill by Lallana. Therefore, you could argue that every time a player beats another player it is because of poor play, just as much as you could say it was good play. He said most goals we scored and conceded last season came from from defensive errors. So from his perspective signing strikers better than we have is pointless as we'll score anyway from errors, therefore from his perspective we should sign the best defenders we can. Hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 He said most goals we scored and conceded last season came from from defensive errors. So from his perspective signing strikers better than we have is pointless as we'll score anyway from errors, therefore from his perspective we should sign the best defenders we can. Hope that helps. No need to end on the sarcastic comment mate, just trying to have a conversation. Wouldn't you agree that better strikers are more likely to punish small defensive errors? The general point is that better players make fewer mistakes, and are also able to punish opposition mistakes more harshly. They are also able to push the opposition into mistakes. For every goal scored you could either say, "good play by the striker" or "defender could have done better". Both can be true as these aren't mutually exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 surely Napoli have to sell Cavani first? Which hasn't happened. hasn't it ? Money is as good as in the bank, PSG do not mess about over a couple of bob. 64 million € and he's theirs. Probably be finalised Monday. Petrol and Diesel will probably go up a couple of pence a litre though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 No need to end on the sarcastic comment mate, just trying to have a conversation. Wouldn't you agree that better strikers are more likely to punish small defensive errors? The general point is that better players make fewer mistakes, and are also able to punish opposition mistakes more harshly. They are also able to push the opposition into mistakes. For every goal scored you could either say, "good play by the striker" or "defender could have done better". Both can be true as these aren't mutually exclusive. And the better striker will take chances a not so good one won't, he'll make runs, find space, be able to position himself and finish difficult chances, similarly better creative player will create chances a not so creative player won't, make runs others can't etc. to say the vast majority of goals come because of errors is the usual MLG nonsense. Some do, some come from good attacking play and some come from your perspective as you rightly say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 From the dodgy flats on the junction of Orchard Lane and King Street in Soton. If people knew how much was easily traceable they probably wouldn't do it. http://goo.gl/maps/t7QpV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Seems like Napoli is trying to hijack Gotze from fiorentina that he supposedly has chosen... http://www.gianlucadimarzio.com/calciomercato/napoli-rilancio-per-mario-gomez-fiorentina-su-yilmaz/ Naples, revival for Mario Gomez. Fiorentina Yilmaz The Napoli sling on Mario Gomez. It 'a story of Manuel Baiocchini. The company blue would be pressing for the German striker, although the sporting director of Bayern Monaco has revealed that the player has chosen Florence. If the offer of Naples were, however, shake Gomez, Fiorentina have already decided who to bet. It's Burak Yilmaz, Galatasaray striker. Have been proposed 5-year contract to 3 million plus 500,000 bonus. The Turkish company asks 15 million and is not willing to make concessions, but Fiorentina will try to lower the cost. All this, if Gomez will choose Naples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 Gomez has reportedly been on the brink of joining Fiorentina for a while now with the move not completing, it wouldn't be a shock if he had a change of heart now a CL team like Napoli are atempting to muscle in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 6 July, 2013 Share Posted 6 July, 2013 That clearly isn't the point he is making. After a game, you must have heard a losing manager say "we should have defended better for the goals". Whereas the winning manager will say, "our movement/set piece/skill for the goal was outstanding". It's just a case of perspective. If a good striker nutmegs a centre back is that good skill from him or a **** up from the defender? Depends which way you look at it doesn't it? Nobody on this forum would ever say, "what great skill from that Chelsea player to put it through Danny Fox's legs", just as we would never say "that was poor by that United defender that got skinned by Lallana". We would say it was poor defending by fox and great skill by Lallana. Therefore, you could argue that every time a player beats another player it is because of poor play, just as much as you could say it was good play. We should sticky this post when the season starts. This is also exactly why people act like the big team must have screwed up when a little team outplays them - because people are watching the game from the big team's perspective. It's Chelsea vs the opposition rather than Chelsea vs Southampton, to an extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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