Dalek2003 Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 That's a good summary. We have to do our best to make ourselves an even better proposition next year. A cup run, a higher placing, some standout results against Man Utd, Chelsea etc ultimately Europa league...on the back of sell out crowds every home match. If we do that the next two years we might not be regarded as a small club of lower ambition for much longer. We have to earn the right to be able to go chatting up the best players in the world. Its not ALL about how big the wages are. Fair point. In the meantime we need to build up slowly but steadily. IMO we are still to firmly establish ourselves as a Premier club and we cannot take that for granted. Safety first then look to build over the next 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 (edited) [/font] Yes it is. Ok, if you say so. It is and always will be about the money. Nobody plays for less money or because of other reasons. Nobody plays for childhood teams they loved and supported for less than elsewhere. Nobody has ever stayed or joined Southampton when they could easily get more elsewhere, nobody, its never happened. Unheard of in fact. Edited 7 August, 2013 by Giordano I was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 [/font] Yes it is. No it's not Baz as you've rightly pointed out numerous times yourself today. It's about us not competing in several areas that would raise the players prestige and ego, as well as wallet. Also location might play a factor as might language barriers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 You need to get real mate, top signings for us? Why, before you answer think why would they come to us over a team with money, history and good European players? Then you have teams who are actually playing in Europe, we will have to sign 5/6 real quality European signings for well over the odds to continuously attract players, Cortese wont do it so we are not going further than mid table, attach this and keep it. Mallagroth appears to give the impression of being far more a realist than you, whilst running rings around you in the process. Weren't you the one lauding the signings of Norwich, Swansea and Sunderland? And then you decry our ambition to sign players a cut above them, although ironically it appears to those players that we are a club without enough ambition. Why would they come here? You infer that we are not a club with money, history and good European players, although our owners appear to be wealthier than some of the clubs that you would no doubt classify as bigger than us. And don't we have a couple of good European players already? Damiao isn't a European player, nor is Messi. Would they be more attracted to a club with Brazilian or Argentinan players rather than Europeans? In order to qualify to play in Europe according to you, we will have to sign 5/6 European players of quality for well over the odds to continuously attract players. Well, that presupposes that there are no players of quality out there capable of playing top quality football who as yet remain undiscovered and who can be bought more cheaply. Of course, there are numerous examples of such players historically and they are still out there now if they can be found by good scouts. It also ignores players like Shaw who is already here, or those like Bale, Walcott and Chamberlain who are of a quality to play in Europe, but didn't cost us huge extortionate fees, being products of our academy. But the point that is missed by all those who believe that we cannot sign the top players, is the fact that there are probably more top quality players out there than there are spaces available to them in the top teams. And even then, those top clubs have other top players vying for each place in the first team. So when push comes to shove, the frequency of matches they can expect to play in also becomes a significant factor. Many of the more cerebral agents will advise their players that it might be more beneficial to their players' careers to play most matches and shine as a big fish in a smaller pond, rather than warm the benches half the season and look more ordinary amongst more illustrious company playing alongside them. These are things that you don't appear to have considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 No it is'nt. Without making this a 4 month early panto yes it is, if we and United bid for the same player where would they go if we were going to offer to pay the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 i think uv changed teams there barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Without making this a 4 month early panto yes it is, if we and United bid for the same player where would they go if we were going to offer to pay the same? **** me baz now you are arguing with yourself. Is it post no.1436 or 1442 you want to go with. Or, and I know this might be a controversial statement, are you just arguing with people for the sake of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 (edited) Not the best example to use, and you are usually so good at this sort of thing :-) If wages were the same then the player would be taking into account other factors - which is not what you are arguing in favour of. You stated that it is ALL about the money - but then give an example suggesting OTHER factors can influence the decision - in this case the prestige of Man utd versus Saints. So its not ALL about the money then is it? And you know there are loads examples too. I get where you're coming from though and it sickens me (the shamelessly mercenary nature of the game - not you!) tbh but your example only reinforces my original point. Its not ALL about the money. Edited 7 August, 2013 by Giordano bleh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 **** me baz now you are arguing with yourself. Is it post no.1436 or 1442 you want to go with. Or, and I know this might be a controversial statement, are you just arguing with people for the sake of it... Take it easy chap! You're making Barry look like a bit of a daft pillock now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Ok, if you say so. It is and always will be about the money. Nobody plays for less money or because of other reasons. Nobody plays for childhood teams they loved and supported for less than elsewhere. Nobody has ever stayed or joined Southampton when they could easily get more elsewhere, nobody, its never happened. Unheard of in fact. Some of what you say was true 20 or 30 years ago, but I am afraid I think the Premier League is all about money and mercenaries today. TBH, one of the nice things about League 1 is that you had a lot less of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Some of what you say was true 20 or 30 years ago, but I am afraid I think the Premier League is all about money and mercenaries today. TBH, one of the nice things about League 1 is that you had a lot less of that. Cynical but sadly seems true too often. Suarez latest stunt is unbelievable, i'm of the opinion he has made Rogers 'promise' up which is a new low even for him. Gotta admit League one was great fun and good to see honest players mostly working hard game in and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Take it easy chap! You're making Barry look like a bit of a daft pillock now.... my bad, but to be fair did i really need to say anything to achieve this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Ok, if you say so. It is and always will be about the money. Nobody plays for less money or because of other reasons. Nobody plays for childhood teams they loved and supported for less than elsewhere. Nobody has ever stayed or joined Southampton when they could easily get more elsewhere, nobody, its never happened. Unheard of in fact. Happens rarely so hardly a basis to justify your argument, if ourselves and United were in for the same player we would have to offer more to secure their services, or 999/1000 times we would, thats plainly obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 my bad, but to be fair did i really need to say anything to achieve this. Where have I contradicted myself? I have stated that if we and United bid for the same player we would have to bid more as how could we compete? Its not thats difficult mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Without making this a 4 month early panto yes it is, if we and United bid for the same player where would they go if we were going to offer to pay the same? With your logic, if we pay another fiver then the player would choose us I guess.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Take it easy chap! You're making Barry look like a bit of a daft pillock now.... Avenue, he didn't read my posts correctly, jumped in, wont be the last no worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 With your logic, if we pay another fiver then the player would choose us I guess.... Now now dont be silly, we will have to pay an awful lot more to secure the services of real proven European quality, where did Coutinho prefer to go? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2267299/Southampton-Philippe-Coutinho-bid-accepted.html Lads its all too easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 barry. srsly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Dalek, This will sound like splitting hairs but I was not saying that money is irrelevant. I was not even suggesting that its not the biggest single factor - and by far. I'm being rather pedantically insistent that it is not the ONLY factor. Maybe its because I want to believe that somebody does do what they do on the pitch for metaphysical reasons nothing to do with filthy lucre. If I can argue that money is not the only reason and prove it - then maybe there is hope. And for a Saints fan that's our bread and butter! Just a few CURRENT players off the top of my head in the EPl that are playing today for reasons sometimes more than the money they could get or have got elsewhere ...SFC Kelvin Davis, CFC Frank Lampard, CCFC Craig Bellamy, LFC Steve Gerrard, MUFC Paul Scholes, NCFC Wes Hoolahan, WBAFC Jonas Olsson...im sure theres more. It was not just a one-off MLT phenomenon of 20 or 30 years ago. It is not ALL about the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Now now dont be silly, we will have to pay an awful lot more to secure the services of real proven European quality, where did Coutinho prefer to go? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2267299/Southampton-Philippe-Coutinho-bid-accepted.html Lads its all too easy. But your link is about the bid for the club, not the offer the player got.... Surely you can do better....you said it yourself, players go where they get most money...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Dalek, This will sound like splitting hairs but I was not saying that money is irrelevant. I was not even suggesting that its not the biggest single factor - and by far. I'm being rather pedantically insistent that it is not the ONLY factor. Maybe its because I want to believe that somebody does do what they do on the pitch for metaphysical reasons nothing to do with filthy lucre. If I can argue that money is not the only reason and prove it - then maybe there is hope. And for a Saints fan that's our bread and butter! Just a few CURRENT players off the top of my head in the EPl that are playing today for reasons sometimes more than the money they could get or have got elsewhere ...SFC Kelvin Davis, CFC Frank Lampard, CCFC Craig Bellamy, LFC Steve Gerrard, MUFC Paul Scholes, NCFC Wes Hoolahan, WBAFC Jonas Olsson...im sure theres more. It was not just a one-off MLT phenomenon of 20 or 30 years ago. It is not ALL about the money. You do know the reasons for most of them staying is they were playing at the largest clubs in teh World getting vast amounts of "filthy lucre" or playing at the highest level they could, Davis would have gone from no1 to a reserve keeper at the expense of uprooting his family and the end of his career. LeTissier was going to go to Spurs but bailed at the last minute, he was one of the last loyal footballers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Now now dont be silly, we will have to pay an awful lot more to secure the services of real proven European quality, where did Coutinho prefer to go? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2267299/Southampton-Philippe-Coutinho-bid-accepted.html Lads its all too easy. Liverpool are a big club with an international pedigree, so that obviously influenced his choice. Not every transfer is as clear cut, big Vic being a perfect example. At the moment Saints will win some and lose others, it's still nice to be in the frame for top quality at this stage in the journey. Wouldn't want to do a Portsmuff and buy a posse of Romanian road sweepers on £80k a week every close season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Mallagroth appears to give the impression of being far more a realist than you, whilst running rings around you in the process. Weren't you the one lauding the signings of Norwich, Swansea and Sunderland? And then you decry our ambition to sign players a cut above them, although ironically it appears to those players that we are a club without enough ambition. Why would they come here? You infer that we are not a club with money, history and good European players, although our owners appear to be wealthier than some of the clubs that you would no doubt classify as bigger than us. And don't we have a couple of good European players already? Damiao isn't a European player, nor is Messi. Would they be more attracted to a club with Brazilian or Argentinan players rather than Europeans? In order to qualify to play in Europe according to you, we will have to sign 5/6 European players of quality for well over the odds to continuously attract players. Well, that presupposes that there are no players of quality out there capable of playing top quality football who as yet remain undiscovered and who can be bought more cheaply. Of course, there are numerous examples of such players historically and they are still out there now if they can be found by good scouts. It also ignores players like Shaw who is already here, or those like Bale, Walcott and Chamberlain who are of a quality to play in Europe, but didn't cost us huge extortionate fees, being products of our academy. But the point that is missed by all those who believe that we cannot sign the top players, is the fact that there are probably more top quality players out there than there are spaces available to them in the top teams. And even then, those top clubs have other top players vying for each place in the first team. So when push comes to shove, the frequency of matches they can expect to play in also becomes a significant factor. Many of the more cerebral agents will advise their players that it might be more beneficial to their players' careers to play most matches and shine as a big fish in a smaller pond, rather than warm the benches half the season and look more ordinary amongst more illustrious company playing alongside them. These are things that you don't appear to have considered. The best bit is, he keeps saying Cortese won't part with his cash to bring players in. Yet at any given opportunity, he will also tell us Gaston doesn't want to be here, isn't interested and only signed because of the money we threw at him? Seems slightly contradictory to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 You do know the reasons for most of them staying is they were playing at the largest clubs in teh World getting vast amounts of "filthy lucre" or playing at the highest level they could, Davis would have gone from no1 to a reserve keeper at the expense of uprooting his family and the end of his career. LeTissier was going to go to Spurs but bailed at the last minute, he was one of the last loyal footballers. Maybe Barry, but was it the ONLY reason? If you cannot prove it was the only reason - and you cannot scientifically do so - then it follows there are other contributory factors at play. Ipso facto it is not ALL about the money. I knew that doing that law "O" level would be useful one day :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 But your link is about the bid for the club, not the offer the player got.... Surely you can do better....you said it yourself, players go where they get most money...... They do, we didn't offer enough Liverpool obviously did, his personal terms were obviously better, we bid two million more and still get knocked back, we need to bid an awful lot more to get the cream, and also wages, must do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 I feel I must apologise for my posts on this topic. Sorry if anyone is as embarrassed as me at reading the drivel I wrote. Will stop and go back to footy stuff. Or better still go and have a few pints. That sounds a better idea to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 To offer some comfort and allow the forum to the "he's **** anyway" phase of rejection, here are some quotes from Fernando Duarte a Brazillian football writer who contributes to the Guardian's football section. a few more quotes from him about Dmiao Damiao is a lovely guy, but an overrated striker who only made it to the selecao by default. PS: where was Damiao in the Brasileirao scoring charts last year? Oh, he netted 7. Fred, 20. Question for all Damiao fans: how many of you have actually seen him play? This is for the Damiao lovers: Inter-RS turns down a €18m bid from Napoli for the overrated striker. That's more likely. Damiao is much more suited to the Championship than the EPL Ok, for last time: will Damiao join Spurs? I really don't care. Inter should have sold him when he actually resembled a top player Never. Fred is a poacher who doesn't disappear on the big stage, unlike Damiao. Damião is not cut for that shirt. I hope he proves me wrong. Let's just say he is not a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Where have I contradicted myself? I have stated that if we and United bid for the same player we would have to bid more as how could we compete? Its not thats difficult mate. okay let me give you further benefit of the doubt. Your argument is its all about wages correct ? and that is the only important factor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 okay let me give you further benefit of the doubt. Your argument is its all about wages correct ? and that is the only important factor? From our perspective most certainly, money nothing more, if we want to get the best we will have to pay for them. Do you disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 [/font] Yes it is. You need to get real mate, top signings for us? Why, before you answer think why would they come to us over a team with money, history and good European players? Then you have teams who are actually playing in Europe, we will have to sign 5/6 real quality European signings for well over the odds to continuously attract players, Cortese wont do it so we are not going further than mid table, attach this and keep it. You clearly state that in this post it's not just about wages... Lucky I kept it hey Baz... you silly sod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barry Sanchez Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 You clearly state that in this post it's not just about wages... Lucky I kept it hey Baz... you silly sod Er no I refer that to others larger teams like Liverpool etc etc, I haven't contradicted myself at all, if we offered the same amount of money they would go there, why wouldn't they? The weather? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Barry, stop acting like your opinion is the only one that matters. You're coming across as a right idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Er no I refer that to others larger teams like Liverpool etc etc, I haven't contradicted myself at all, if we offered the same amount of money they would go there, why wouldn't they? The weather? okay okay, so hypothetically over the next couple of years if we were to win a few cups, finish higher in the league than Liverpool, get European football and some better players, your saying that potential players would choose us over liverpool because of the added other factors despite us offering the same wages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 I'm quite uneasy about us buying £20m players. I was pretty chuffed having a team of mainly English players. That is the way I was brought up watching Saints and happy if it stayed that way. A player I would like to sign is Coventrys Carl Baker, he is a real winner and the mould of a traditional British midfielder.Yep he is in L2 but he is better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 I'm quite uneasy about us buying £20m players. I was pretty chuffed having a team of mainly English players. That is the way I was brought up watching Saints and happy if it stayed that way. A player I would like to sign is Coventrys Carl Baker, he is a real winner and the mould of a traditional British midfielder.Yep he is in L2 but he is better than that. Give Coventry a season at least! League 1 for the moment. Carl Baker is good, but I don't think he is premier league standard. Chaplow is as good an option as him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Dalek, This will sound like splitting hairs but I was not saying that money is irrelevant. I was not even suggesting that its not the biggest single factor - and by far. I'm being rather pedantically insistent that it is not the ONLY factor. Maybe its because I want to believe that somebody does do what they do on the pitch for metaphysical reasons nothing to do with filthy lucre. If I can argue that money is not the only reason and prove it - then maybe there is hope. And for a Saints fan that's our bread and butter! Just a few CURRENT players off the top of my head in the EPl that are playing today for reasons sometimes more than the money they could get or have got elsewhere ...SFC Kelvin Davis, CFC Frank Lampard, CCFC Craig Bellamy, LFC Steve Gerrard, MUFC Paul Scholes, NCFC Wes Hoolahan, WBAFC Jonas Olsson...im sure theres more. It was not just a one-off MLT phenomenon of 20 or 30 years ago. It is not ALL about the money. What you say is essentially right. There are a few 'loyal' players and the ones you mention are good ones. However, they are few and far between. I see passion on the pitch, but I often wonder whether that is individual professional pride rather than for the club. Sure, we all feel passionate about our club, but sometimes it feels like it is a bit hollow. Maybe that is me and me I feel myself less connected with football these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Give Coventry a season at least! League 1 for the moment Carl Baker is good, but I don't think he is premier league standard. Chaplow is as good an option as him.oops yep L1 I agree that there could be doubt but I have seen many players make the grade from the lower leagues. In fact quite a lot of our present squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 oops yep L1 I agree that there could be doubt but I have seen many players make the grade from the lower leagues. In fact quite a lot of our present squad Yes, a fair few have in our squad. They had a chance to grow together though rather then immediately make the leap. I'm sure there are a few out there but I do not see Baker as being one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Barry, stop acting like your opinion is the only one that matters. You're coming across as a right idiot. Same **** different day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 I'm quite uneasy about us buying £20m players. I was pretty chuffed having a team of mainly English players. That is the way I was brought up watching Saints and happy if it stayed that way. A player I would like to sign is Coventrys Carl Baker, he is a real winner and the mould of a traditional British midfielder.Yep he is in L2 but he is better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Barry, stop acting like your opinion is the only one that matters. You're coming across as a right idiot. When has this been any different ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 The best bit is, he keeps saying Cortese won't part with his cash to bring players in. Yet at any given opportunity, he will also tell us Gaston doesn't want to be here, isn't interested and only signed because of the money we threw at him? Seems slightly contradictory to me. Gaston Ramirez was solely his buy, buying players he has no clue about will tighten his wallet, would you trust him and Les to buy? Pochettino has not brought any with him has he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 okay okay, so hypothetically over the next couple of years if we were to win a few cups, finish higher in the league than Liverpool, get European football and some better players, your saying that potential players would choose us over liverpool because of the added other factors despite us offering the same wages? I'm saying if we offered the same amount of money prospective players would choose Liverpool over us, we would have to give the players quite a bit more, years ago it may have been different as players wanted to play, no its different with rotation, European Cups and simply a lack of motivation because people simply dont get the culture of the clubs they are playing for. We are not known in Europe, the teams we are trying to emulate are known all over the World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 What's your problem? It is my personal feeling, if you feel attached to multi million overseas journeymen as your team,that's fine. I personally like to watch an English team with their team ethic. I'm not sure we will get players who have any attachment. saints apart from the paycheque. If you don't rate Baker that is also fine, I have seen many face palms in the past when players were signed from the lower leagues to many clubs, a big price tag does not mean a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 What's your problem? It is my personal feeling, if you feel attached to multi million overseas journeymen as your team,that's fine. I personally like to watch an English team with their team ethic. I'm not sure we will get players who have any attachment. saints apart from the paycheque. If you don't rate Baker that is also fine, I have seen many face palms in the past when players were signed from the lower leagues to many clubs, a big price tag does not mean a good player. Was a little surprised to see that Carl Baker is 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Was a little surprised to see that Carl Baker is 30. Never! I will withdraw my wish for him then, I thought he was in his mis 20s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 What's your problem? It is my personal feeling, if you feel attached to multi million overseas journeymen as your team,that's fine. I personally like to watch an English team with their team ethic. I'm not sure we will get players who have any attachment. saints apart from the paycheque. If you don't rate Baker that is also fine, I have seen many face palms in the past when players were signed from the lower leagues to many clubs, a big price tag does not mean a good player. Other than you suggesting we sign a very average 30 year old L2 player and that your assumption that English players will have a better attachment to Saints over a foreign player (why do they need to be journeymen btw?), I don't have much of a problem with what you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 7 August, 2013 Share Posted 7 August, 2013 Okey, NOW this is a dead deal.... Alex Goring Crook @alex_crook Sounds like Damiao will not be coming to #saintsfc his agent says the Brazilian wants to join a 'more ambitious club'. #transfers he wants to join a club that wants better players than him. gj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 I'm not sold on Damiao so not too disappointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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