SO16_Saint Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 Were you expecting cutting edge inside information? If so, I don't think this is the forum for you. You should follow some in the know agent on twitter instead. I agree.... but.... I was at least expecting some info / talk about DAMIAO - not just some people comparing the size of d!cks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 I agree.... but.... I was at least expecting some info / talk about DAMIAO - not just some people comparing the size of d!cks my dick is bigger than your dick *FACT* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 Not so sure. If Lovren turns out to be (as I hope) another Killer with Cork sitting directly infront plus Wanyama + Schneiderlin infront of him I think the layers of defence would be good. MP's view is defence begins from your strikers and we have a good overall defensive ability . My team would be: Boruc Clyne Lovren Yoshida Shaw Cork Wanyama Scneiderlin Ramirez Lambert (Damiao?) With a big responsibilty on the full backs to provide the width. That's a good team however it doesn't have huge strength in depth, esp at fullback. Can we have another player please? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 I agree.... but.... I was at least expecting some info / talk about DAMIAO - not just some people comparing the size of d!cks There was one tiny section in an Italian newspaper (I think MLG) saying it was nearly a done deal. That was it! After that, we just chat about if that is too much of a gamble, too much for one player, MLG comes along and corrects someone, there are a few lols, the threads drops off for a couple of days and then another newspaper article appears and we get all excited again. If you like, I can just PM you when he actually signs or when I get some more inside info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 There was one tiny section in an Italian newspaper (I think MLG) saying it was nearly a done deal. That was it! After that, we just chat about if that is too much of a gamble, too much for one player, MLG comes along and corrects someone, there are a few lols, the threads drops off for a couple of days and then another newspaper article appears and we get all excited again. If you like, I can just PM you when he actually signs or when I get some more inside info? Can't you just direct him to the TMS Damiao thread, that has real news when something is happening, not just dick measuring (mine is 10" flaccid BTW) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 Can't you just direct him to the TMS Damiao thread, that has real news when something is happening, not just dick measuring (mine is 10" flaccid BTW) Totally irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 Totally irrelevant. Hey you know what they say, first impressions count Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 There was one tiny section in an Italian newspaper (I think MLG) saying it was nearly a done deal. That was it! After that, we just chat about if that is too much of a gamble, too much for one player, MLG comes along and corrects someone, there are a few lols, the threads drops off for a couple of days and then another newspaper article appears and we get all excited again. If you like, I can just PM you when he actually signs or when I get some more inside info? Brilliant work Tokyo, thanks. This needs to be a Sticky mods, under a gleaming title of "How threads about possible players actually work! (yes really)!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 MLG is my hero! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 I've looked into it a bit more and unsustainable is probably misleading - perhaps very risky is a better way to put it. Based on some sensible interpretation of the figures that are out there. What we know: 1. The 6-monthly accounts for Saints showed revenue of £33m, a profit of £1m, and a wage to turnover ratio of 59%: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2290117/Southampton-post-900-000-profit-promotion-Premier-League.html What has happened since then: 1. Saints finished 14th in the Premier League and received £43m from the Premier League over the course of the season. Speculating that the half yearly accounts can be extrapolated across the course of the season that would mean a turnover of £66m, a profit of £2m, and a wage bill of £39m. Realistically I don't think we made a profit last season at all but I can only use the 6 monthly figures and extrapolate them across the year. 2. New contracts have been given to Artur Boruc, Rickie Lambert, Kelvin Davis, Morgan Schneiderlin, Luke Shaw, and Jason Puncheon. I think it would be fair to assume that all but Boruc (signed originally on a 1 year deal) and Davis (signed for loyalty and continuity) would be on better terms (vastly so in the case of Schneiderlin and Shaw). I also think it would be fair to assume that many of the younger players (which is the majority of our squad) have wage increases built into their contract as that is quite normal - however, it would be also fair to assume the released players were earning wages which would 'cancel out' that net gain. So conservatively I would suggest our wage bill from that activity alone has a net increase of £100k a week. That would mean an increase in the wage bill of around £5m a year, increasing our wages to £44m. 3. We've also signed Dejan Lovren and Victor Wanyama for a suggested combined fee of £20m. Taking into account their wages (another conservative estimate of £40k a week each) that is another increase of £4.2m a year to the wage bill. That takes wages to £49m a year and in the accounts their transfer fees are spread over the period of their contract so that is £5m a year additional cost that needs to be accounted for. 4. The new TV deal suggest each club on average will receive £25m more. So using the above figures and making assumptions that other revenues and costs stay the same (I've got no fair basis to change them) that leaves us with revenues next season of £90m, costs of £79m (£64m + £5m + £4.2m + £5m), and a profit of £11m. Wage to turnover ratio of 60% again. But then Damiao. If the fee of £22m is correct and I made the assumption he signed a 4 year deal on £60k a week, that is a yearly cost of £8.6m on the accounts. That basically eats all but £2m of the profit from the bumper new TV deal and it is invested in a single player. With no other clear methods for us to increase revenues other than hiking the cost to consumers of existing channels we're placing all our eggs in one basket. Plus as I've already stated I'm concerned that we'd ever be able to sell him for more than we purchased him, and it does leave any money left in the coffers for anything else without moving players around - unless of course we revert back to being a club that is supported from the owners. People can probably pick holes in the above but breaking it down like that shows how we'd be allocating nearly 10% of projected revenue to a single player in our squad and I think that is very dangerous for a club at our level. So what is the profit/loss projection if we are relegated? Little chance of that happening of course..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 So what is the profit/loss projection if we are relegated? Little chance of that happening of course..... Little chance at all of relegation at all if I am to be part of the consensus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 Here's a piece that the Goal.com articles is based on http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.canalenapoli.it%2Fnews%2Fper-damiao-ora-ce-il-southampton-80977&act=url Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 Little chance at all of relegation at all if I am to be part of the consensus. So, whats your bet for our finishing position next season, Go on, blurt it out mate, your heads going to explode soon if you dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 alextaitsfc: @reluctantnicko hi Alan. Anything new on the Saints front? Cheers. reluctantnicko: @alextaitsfc Not immediately. Think u still want another forward. alextaitsfc: @reluctantnicko I certainly hope we do. Have you heard whispers then? reluctantnicko: @alextaitsfc Heard they were trying extra hard on that front this week. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 Here's a piece that the Goal.com articles is based on http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.canalenapoli.it%2Fnews%2Fper-damiao-ora-ce-il-southampton-80977&act=url Queue excitement, MLG at the ready to correct someone. I will PM SO16 with the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 alextaitsfc: @reluctantnicko hi Alan. Anything new on the Saints front? Cheers. reluctantnicko: @alextaitsfc Not immediately. Think u still want another forward. alextaitsfc: @reluctantnicko I certainly hope we do. Have you heard whispers then? reluctantnicko: @alextaitsfc Heard they were trying extra hard on that front this week. ??? Im glad we have kicked up a gear from 'wanting' to trying 'extra hard'. Its at times like this the experts really prove their value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 alextaitsfc: @reluctantnicko hi Alan. Anything new on the Saints front? Cheers. reluctantnicko: @alextaitsfc Not immediately. Think u still want another forward. alextaitsfc: @reluctantnicko I certainly hope we do. Have you heard whispers then? reluctantnicko: @alextaitsfc Heard they were trying extra hard on that front this week. ??? He doesn't know anything. He's pretty ITK for English stuff, particularly lower leagues, don't think he's well connected for anything coming from abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 Well, Nixon said a few weeks ago that Damiao would have problem getting a work permit so that´s how good his knowledge is about football outside of England.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 (edited) Well, Nixon said a few weeks ago that Damiao would have problem getting a work permit so that´s how good his knowledge is about football outside of England.... He's right, Damiao / the club might well struggle. The rules state "the player must have participated – if available – in at least 75 per cent of his national team’s senior competitive internationals during the last two years". Edited 31 July, 2013 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 Queue excitement, MLG at the ready to correct someone. I will PM SO16 with the news. I am disappointed, after reading the latest link, that there is no PM in my inbox advising me of the impending transfer of Damiao to "The Southampton". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 He's right, Damiao / the club might well struggle. The rules state "the player must have participated – if available – in at least 75 per cent of his national team’s senior competitive internationals during the last two years". He won't have a problem getting a work permit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 Sorry mate, the phone rang and I actually had to do some work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 He won't have a problem getting a work permit. Most South Americans qualify by digging up a European granny from somewhere. I have no idea if Damaio has that option or not, but if he doesn't, I don't think he has played 75% of Brazil's games in the past two years. He certainly isnt in the squad for the next one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 He's right, Damiao / the club might well struggle. The rules state "the player must have participated – if available – in at least 75 per cent of his national team’s senior competitive internationals during the last two years". Which Brazil has had five games of since they´re already qualified for the WC. He missed those games (Confed Cup) due to injury - that means not available -. He has 15 caps last two years. Would not be a problem at all imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 It could be happening. Seems Eric has been out scouting (he kept that bloody quiet, but then Mrs EoA is away at the moment. Gotta look forward to our new global fans coming to SMS now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 I heard this one will be coming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 He's right, Damiao / the club might well struggle. The rules state "the player must have participated – if available – in at least 75 per cent of his national team’s senior competitive internationals during the last two years". so how did Guly's permit work out then? he doesn't look like he's got a european granny either or exceptional talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 so how did Guly's permit work out then? he doesn't look like he's got a european granny either or exceptional talent Very harsh and unfair. How can you tell what nationality his granny is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 (edited) so how did Guly's permit work out then? he doesn't look like he's got a european granny either or exceptional talent Dont know, but probably via claiming Portguese citizenship. Crucially though he played in Europe before coming to the UK. The rules are pretty clear. http://www.thefootballramble.com/blog/entry/work-permit-woes-the-albatross-round-the-neck-of-britains-clubs Edited 31 July, 2013 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 31 July, 2013 Share Posted 31 July, 2013 Very harsh and unfair. How can you tell what nationality his granny is? tbh i'm not a hater, i rate him, but he's not an exceptional talent i can't tell, i can only surmise like i've always wondered what brought herr & frau heinze to argentina.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 I want someone to tell me there's news on this and that he's going to sign. Mainly for that almost goal on the youtube video where he flicks it over his head and lobs it onto the post. That was pure MLT and I'm excited. Him or Pablo and I will start to really look forward to August 17th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 Wonder if Spurs agreeing deal for Soldado could have any influence over their interest in Damiao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 Wonder if Spurs agreeing deal for Soldado could have any influence over their interest in Damiao I think Spurs gave up on Damiao some time ago. They certaintly seem to have tried for long enough, but looks like they have firmly gone elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 Wonder if Spurs agreeing deal for Soldado could have any influence over their interest in Damiao If they had any problems with the asking price, those will certainly evaporate once Bale goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 so how did Guly's permit work out then? he doesn't look like he's got a european granny either or exceptional talent Because he'd already playing in Italy for near on 10 years so had citizenship there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 If they had any problems with the asking price, those will certainly evaporate once Bale goes. If they sell Bale they would need someone as a replacement, not another striker IMO I would be banging on the door to get Kaka on loan with a view to buy, possibly with subsidised wages. See how much real want Gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 If they sell Bale they would need someone as a replacement, not another striker IMO I would be banging on the door to get Kaka on loan with a view to buy, possibly with subsidised wages. See how much real want Gareth Agree, but assuming they sell Adebayor as well I still would say they need another forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 Agree, but assuming they sell Adebayor as well I still would say they need another forward. IF someone is stupid enough to pay Ade's wages that is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 IF someone is stupid enough to pay Ade's wages that is Or give him a permanent contract at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 I'm more worried about them putting in a large bid for Luke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 I'm more worried about them putting in a large bid for Luke! That crossed my mind last night as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 I'm more worried about them putting in a large bid for Luke! He wont go for less than we want, and Luke isnt the same player as Bale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 IF someone is stupid enough to pay Ade's wages that is Some mentalists in Turkey or Russia will probably do that. If not, he'll be off to keep golfing Phil company in the desert. They love a big name over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 He wont go for less than we want, and Luke isnt the same player as Bale I agree, however I'm sure that would stop them directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 If they had any problems with the asking price, those will certainly evaporate once Bale goes. I doubt it. Levy's not going to start playing fast and loose with the books when his hardball tactics have just earned him an extra £20-40m on Bale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 Just checked the name of the forum to see if it has changed to SpursWeb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 Just checked the name of the forum to see if it has changed to SpursWeb. What was the result? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 Just checked the name of the forum to see if it has changed to SpursWeb. Thought spursweb was called yidarmy on the internetz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 Thought spursweb was called yidarmy on the internetz? not in Liverpool it isn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 1 August, 2013 Share Posted 1 August, 2013 What was the result? Name and recent content of this thread telling me different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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