S-Clarke Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=/search%253Fq%253Ddamiao%2526lr%253D%2526cr%253DcountryIT%2526sa%253DX%2526hl%253Den%2526biw%253D1680%2526bih%253D899%2526tbs%253Dctr:countryIT,qdr:h&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=it&u=http://www.tuttonapoli.net/calciomercato/tmw-napoli-damiao-c-a-l-intesa-ma-si-intromette-il-southampton-contatti-con-l-internacional-156372&usg=ALkJrhjwrQcSYXzl6JcXJerkT8oHvAhTNw Wow. Damiao is a "concrete idea" and there could be a "major offensive" in the coming days. Some progression on this deal perhaps? Sounds to me as if a contract in principle has been agreed with Napoli, including agent fees etc - but Napoli still haven't given Internactional the fee they want. But we sound like we want to pay what they want. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 I'd give an arm and a leg for this guy, do I need to actually start sawing them off again?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Not sure how many on here read other fans forums. Its quite interesting and a fair few comments about Wanyama, but how about this one on the Man City Damiao thread........ GazM wrote: The Fat el Hombre wrote: Very exciting time for southampton, good luck to them. Good to see them bringing some quality overseas players to the prem Yeah. Great. What about some home-grown talent ? You definitely cant accuse Southampton of not producing home grown talent! You could accuse us of blocking their access to the team, however, but we won't have a clue until the season starts. We'll have to see! I really hope we still have a chance of landing Damiao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Sounds to me as if a contract in principle has been agreed with Napoli, including agent fees etc - but Napoli still haven't given Internactional the fee they want. But we sound like we want to pay what they want. Interesting. Sounds like Napoli still hold all the cards- the player wants to join them. Getting the player's agreement is harder than the club's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Damiao would obviously want Napoli, so we're the last resort. Napoli can just bide their time and play brinksmanship games to get a better price later on in the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 International have denied Napoli have contacted them about him http://www.sportinglife.com/football/transfer-centre/article/168/8820808/no-napoli-move-for-damiao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 It's all one big game of poker... This from Sky Sports News website from yesterday afternoon http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12691/8820793/Napoli-yet-to-make-an-approach-for-Brazil-striker-Leandro-Damiao Internacional president Giovanni Luigi claims they have not been contacted by Napoli about Leandro Damiao.Napoli had been regarded as favourites to land Tottenham and Southampton target Damiao as they are in the market for a new striker with Edinson Cavani on the verge of joining Paris Saint Germain. However, Luigi insists there has been no approach from Napoli for Damiao and that he expects the Brazil international to stay with Internacional for another year. "No one from Napoli has spoken with me and I do not know if they are talking to his agent," Luigi told Italian station Radio CRC "But if I like a football player, I'm going to talk to his club and not with the agent. "For me there is no negotiation started for Damiao with Napoli, this must be a guess because, I repeat, Napoli have not mentioned this interest either now or in the past. "How much is he worth? I do not know if I'm going to sell. He should remain here. I believe the player will be here for at least another year." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Damiao would obviously want Napoli, so we're the last resort. Napoli can just bide their time and play brinksmanship games to get a better price later on in the window. That's the most likely outcome, but I'd guess it's what Spurs tried and failed to do during the last two windows, so it sounds like his club are pretty stubborn about getting their valuation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 I think Napoli would prefer Dzeko. If Manchester City sign Jovetic, Dzeko could go to Napoli, leaving Damiao for Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 That's the most likely outcome, but I'd guess it's what Spurs tried and failed to do during the last two windows, so it sounds like his club are pretty stubborn about getting their valuation. They've nothing to lose. If they remain stubborn they either keep him, at least for another year, or get the money they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Not sure how many on here read other fans forums. Its quite interesting and a fair few comments about Wanyama, but how about this one on the Man City Damiao thread........ GazM wrote: The Fat el Hombre wrote: Very exciting time for southampton, good luck to them. Good to see them bringing some quality overseas players to the prem Yeah. Great. What about some home-grown talent ? You definitely cant accuse Southampton of not producing home grown talent! Southampton gave English players more starts than any other EPL team last season... http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jul/11/investigation-shortage-talent-england Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Surely Napoli will stump up the cash? Must be absolutely minted after the Cavani deal. Would be absolutely astounding if we can pull this transfer off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Southampton gave English players more starts than any other EPL team last season... http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jul/11/investigation-shortage-talent-england That was Adkins team. Will be very different this year unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 That was Adkins team. Will be very different this year unfortunately. Clyne, Shaw, Cork, Lallana, Lambert and Rodriguez will all play plenty of games next season, still a decent nucleous of English players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 That was Adkins team. Will be very different this year unfortunately. Not really, we still have all of the decent young English players from last season and most of them will be pushing for a first team place. The players who look likely to be pushed out of the side are the likes of Guly, De Ridder, Hooiveld, Fox, Fonte and Puncheon. 5 of those aren't English and at 27 Punch isn't exactly up and coming. I think the only young English player who may lose out at the moment is Cork but he will get plenty of game time. Shaw, Clyne, JWP and Rod will continue to play and hopefully improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Yup super saint. Cant see Napoli not paying the fee...but just how persuasive cm can NC be...still think Osvaldo is more likely cos of the MP connection ...but that's got little chance too....the way its going its not inconceivable that a new striker comes into saints out of the radar/equation at present... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Not really, we still have all of the decent young English players from last season and most of them will be pushing for a first team place. The players who look likely to be pushed out of the side are the likes of Guly, De Ridder, Hooiveld, Fox, Fonte and Puncheon. 5 of those aren't English and at 27 Punch isn't exactly up and coming. I think the only young English player who may lose out at the moment is Cork but he will get plenty of game time. Shaw, Clyne, JWP and Rod will continue to play and hopefully improve. Shaw, Clyne, and JRod are the only ones I see being regular first choices. JWP wont get a look in except maybe the odd cup game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Yup super saint. Cant see Napoli not paying the fee...but just how persuasive cm can NC be...still think Osvaldo is more likely cos of the MP connection ...but that's got little chance too....the way its going its not inconceivable that a new striker comes into saints out of the radar/equation at present... Why not just sign Bernard in front of Spurs, Liverpool and others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 We've still got a fair amount of British players in our first XI compared to a lot of Prem sides. Clyne Shaw Cork Lallana JayRod Lambert With the likes of Kelvin, Fox, Steven Davis, Prowsey and Punch getting decent game time as well. Don't think it's a major concern for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 at 27 Punch isn't exactly up and coming. Eh? He's at his peak. Pochettino doesn't seem to fancy him as much as Adkins but it's not an age thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Think he'll end up with Napoli, however with the Brazilian transfer window closing on the 20th and the likelihood Napoli would want a replacement if they sell Damiao, this is likely one that will be decided over the next week. From what I've read Napoli are hopeful Internacional will climb down and settle for a couple of million euros less than their asking price. iIMO the only chance we have to get him is to come in and meet Internacional's demands and hope Napoli refuse to match us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Think he'll end up with Napoli, however with the Brazilian transfer window closing on the 20th and the likelihood Napoli would want a replacement if they sell Damiao, this is likely one that will be decided over the next week. From what I've read Napoli are hopeful Internacional will climb down and settle for a couple of million euros less than their asking price. iIMO the only chance we have to get him is to come in and meet Internacional's demands and hope Napoli refuse to match us. Worked with Wanyama! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Eh? He's at his peak. Pochettino doesn't seem to fancy him as much as Adkins but it's not an age thing. The point I was making is that bringing in these foreign signings isn't really compromising our young English talent. Puncheon isn't really young any more which leads me to believe he is probably as good as he is going to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 (edited) The point I was making is that bringing in these foreign signings isn't really compromising our young English talent. Puncheon isn't really young any more which leads me to believe he is probably as good as he is going to get. But the fact Puncheon isnt young doesn't mean the youth aren't blocked - thats a non sequiteur. Clearly cork, Lallana, Moore and JWP will get fewer opportunities next year than if we hadn't signed wanyama and Banega (if we do). That's the problem with the whole English game. Importing from around the world and not blooding your own talent is the way most of the PL has already gone and now Saints are following. Trying to pretend otherwise is false. Edited 13 July, 2013 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 But the fact Puncheon isnt young doesn't mean the youth aren't blocked - thats a non sequiteur. Clearly cork, Lallana, Moore and JWP will get fewer opportunities next year than if we hadn't signed wanyama and Banega (if we do). That's the problem with the whole English game. Importing from around the world and not blooding your own talent is the way most of the PL has already gone and now Saints are following. Trying to pretend otherwise is false. Point is though, that in some games, Puncheon & Lallana were awful, and it would be hard to see where JWP actually had a major influence on a game as opposed to doing a good job. I would be very concerned going into a new season with them as first choice, simply on POTENTIAL. IF they do develop or have a better more consistent season then other players will not get in the team, has always been that way. One bad game is something that happens to every player, but having SDR on the bench to replace Puncheon/Lallana or having Lallana on the bench to replace Gaston/Cork? No brainer Anyway, at home we MAY choose to only play with one DM and push Cork & Morgan higher up the pitch to press higher and force a team trying to sit back to change their tactics. It ain't Mike Bassett land anymore We lost EIGHT out of the first TEN games when Cork was injured we were also incredibly lucky Morgan did not pick up a ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 What about adding Tom Ince to the squad now he has not gone to Cardiff? Would he get a game every week?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 What about adding Tom Ince to the squad now he has not gone to Cardiff? Would he get a game every week?? I don't think he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 The point I was making is that bringing in these foreign signings isn't really compromising our young English talent. Puncheon isn't really young any more which leads me to believe he is probably as good as he is going to get. I would agree. If our young players are to be good enough for the level we wish to play at then they have to be better than the bought in imports. It is all a matter of perspective. We in England have now adopted a stance that says 'all the foreign imports are stopping our youngsters coming through.' I think this is utter tosh. Our youngsters are either not good enough or they are not receiving the right coaching in their development. If our younger players are good enough they will compete with and oust out foreign imports. If they are not, they won't! They need a target to apsire too. Why play them for the sake of their 'development'. They need to be good enough (like Luke Shaw) and then they will succeed. They do not deserve a place just becuase they are "young" or because they are "English". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 I don't think he would. Gotta be better than Punch hasn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 (edited) What about adding Tom Ince to the squad now he has not gone to Cardiff? Would he get a game every week?? I don't think he would. Gotta be better than Punch hasn't he? He turned down Cardiff because he became a father last week and wants to stay in the North West. Edited 13 July, 2013 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 He turned down Cardiff because he became a father last week and wants to stay in the North West. I thought he was in London with Palace ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 The point I was making is that bringing in these foreign signings isn't really compromising our young English talent. Puncheon isn't really young any more which leads me to believe he is probably as good as he is going to get. But as a general point it could be argued that it does compromise the progress of English talent. If we were in the Prem in 2009 would we have gone for Lambert? Or an expensive foreign option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 But as a general point it could be argued that it does compromise the progress of English talent. If we were in the Prem in 2009 would we have gone for Lambert? Or an expensive foreign option? also, any striker in league 1 with a similar scoring record as lambert had when he joined us would now be dismissed as rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Gotta be better than Punch hasn't he? Why do you mention punch who was good last year and scored 7 goals. Why not Lallana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 also, any striker in league 1 with a similar scoring record as lambert had when he joined us would now be dismissed as rubbish Exactly. It is difficult for English players to get that "break" that you need sometimes these days. Think there is a perception, that foreign automatically equals better. Applies to managers as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Exactly. It is difficult for English players to get that "break" that you need sometimes these days. Think there is a perception, that foreign automatically equals better. Applies to managers as well. Just look on here. Both Hooper and Ince are generally dismissed. Yet a nutter in osvaldo is deemed 'brilliant' also, getting excited about Bueno. is he really better than Ince? probably not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Exactly. It is difficult for English players to get that "break" that you need sometimes these days. Think there is a perception, that foreign automatically equals better. Applies to managers as well. Sometimes better; but more often than not cheaper. The cost of proven English players in this country is ridiculous; even unproven English players are vastly overpriced. Its easy to see why some clubs would rather spend £7M on a foreign proven star than on someone like Jay Rodriguez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 When you consider that the best England has to offer play for the national team who would you actually take from the starting XI to replace any Saints players? That sums up why shopping abroad is the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Sometimes better; but more often than not cheaper. The cost of proven English players in this country is ridiculous; even unproven English players are vastly overpriced. Its easy to see why some clubs would rather spend £7M on a foreign proven star than on someone like Jay Rodriguez. But as I say, take Lambert as an example. If we were in the Prem in 2009, would we have spent £1m on a Bristol Rovers striker? Or spent biggish money on a foreign forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Not sure how many on here read other fans forums. Its quite interesting and a fair few comments about Wanyama, but how about this one on the Man City Damiao thread........ GazM wrote: The Fat el Hombre wrote: Very exciting time for southampton, good luck to them. Good to see them bringing some quality overseas players to the prem Yeah. Great. What about some home-grown talent ? You definitely cant accuse Southampton of not producing home grown talent! We get a lot of mentions on this thread http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=287084 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 But as I say, take Lambert as an example. If we were in the Prem in 2009, would we have spent £1m on a Bristol Rovers striker? Or spent biggish money on a foreign forward? No, I agree with that point. Its a trend that is permeating lower in the leagues and becoming more prevalent in the Championship; I guess its a reason why Lambert hadn't been snapped up before we got to him. The cost thing is also backed up when you look at Jordan Rhodes; top scorer in League 1 but it took an £8M fee for Blackburn to get him. That's an insane amount of money to spend on a lower league player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie Crouchie Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Not in the lineup against Fluminense - probably Napoli agreed fee of €25m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 I think he's still out injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 When you consider that the best England has to offer play for the national team who would you actually take from the starting XI to replace any Saints players? That sums up why shopping abroad is the norm. The whole team.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 "GazM wrote: The Fat el Hombre wrote: Very exciting time for southampton, good luck to them. Good to see them bringing some quality overseas players to the prem Yeah. Great. What about some home-grown talent ?" Manuel Pellegrini says he is under no pressure to win the PL title, and that he intends to spend this season developing Citeh's youth programme. So when he carries through on that and they end up without a trophy, let's see how that goes down with the Citeh faithful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 The English league is the richest in the world. It can pick and choose from the best players in the world. Does forming a team from the best players in the world, even if it means no Brits, give you the best chance of winning a title? yes. Does having no or very few English players in the top teams damage the national team, reduce the development of English talent and make the problem of lack of quality players coming through worse? Unquestionably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 When you consider that the best England has to offer play for the national team who would you actually take from the starting XI to replace any Saints players? That sums up why shopping abroad is the norm. The full 11!!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Fact is, that on the whole, English players just aren't technically good enough to compete at the same level, and are massively over priced. More work needs to be done on british youth, but at the moment we're way behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Is it though? Personally I don't believe English players (on the whole) have a good enough touch, and also can't pick a pass. I do agree that poor management and tactics are part of it, but big changes are needed at International level for us to get close to the bigger nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrypward Posted 13 July, 2013 Share Posted 13 July, 2013 Hart, Baines, Jagielka, Cahill, Lescott, Jones, Wilshere, Walker, Walcott, Chamberlain, Young. plenty of talent, just awful management, gutless decisions and not enough up front. Saints probably have as much as better at CM anyway and our full backs will be as good eventually. That said, while we'd lose to England on paper, we'd probably draw with them 0-0 in reality in another abject international performance. A Reading XI did alright against them recently to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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