The9 Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 Brett, there was this one poster -dell days was his name I think, a bit before your time- who went into meltdown after the first couple of setbacks in our L1 promotion season. He was writing us off, saying we would never go up, that we shouldn't be in this position - the presumption that were too big and good for another L1 scrap. Brett, if only you were around back that, sure you would have given the histrionic tart what for. No, you've got that wrong, EVERYONE was saying promotion was expected as a minimum, no-one thought otherwise, there couldn't possibly have been people thinking we wouldn't go up. Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 No, you've got that wrong, EVERYONE was saying promotion was expected as a minimum, no-one thought otherwise, there couldn't possibly have been people thinking we wouldn't go up. Etc. True, though I think Brett had thrown the towel in after the leyton orient result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 True, though I think Brett had thrown the towel in after the leyton orient result. I'm confused though, because earlier today Batman himself was telling me everyone was convinced we were definitely going up, even after the terrible start, Pardew's sacking and defeat after defeat before Adkins joined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 I'm confused though, because earlier today Batman himself was telling me everyone was convinced we were definitely going up, even after the terrible start, Pardew's sacking and defeat after defeat before Adkins joined. most people expected to go up that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 most people expected to go up that season. Most is not all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 Most is not all. ok. Thanks for going all MLG about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 The ones that 'get it' are the ones for whom football is not about cup finals, league titles, celebrating big money transfers on facebook and twitter, wearing the club shirt down the pub to prove their loyalty, and 'banter' at work between fans of other big clubs who never got to games either. It's not people who looked at the league table one day and decided they needed to support a premier league team so chose one who were in the top 4. It's about tuesday nights in Hartlepool and Oldham, away days at places you would never have any reason to be at apart from the football. Places like Huddersfield and Orient aren't just small clubs that making up the numbers, they are memories of great days out and stories to be told. It's easy to be a fan in good times, when Man United come to town or when there is a chance of glory, not so easy when you've travelled 200 miles to see us lose without so much a wimper. It's easy to pay your sky subscription and tune into Super Sunday and think you're part of the greatest hype on the planet, not so stick with the team you've supported all your life and pay out your money season after season when at times you dont even know why you do it. Every club has these fans, not just small clubs or Saints, however football has changed and clubs arent interested in fans like this anymore. they want the ones that have the 'matchday experience' that buy the tickets, the pies, the programmes and take a trip to the club shop to stock up on mugs, posters, the lastest special addition training top. They want fans that enjoy sitting in silence listened to piped music in fake atmospheres created by marketing men. Football clubs dont want fans anymore, they want consumers and sadly an awful lot of people at matches these days are just this. Super post Turkish, 100% spot on. But some of us will still remember those days, and keep our fingers crossed for a cup day away at stevenage over a "glamour" tie at home to United. I am most definitely one of these people. Other than drawing the skates, my absolute number 1 wish in any cup draw where it is possible will always be Leyton Orient away, the best away day ever, twice! Following that I'd want Carlisle, or Hartlepool or Exeter....etc Makes me feel a tad nostalgic thinking about those days. Glad I got the DVDs of the League 1 years and Championship promotion season, great times never to be forgotten. On the other side of the coin, the administration and near liquidation days make me believe that yeah, I get it. Every day that summer, I would wake up and there would only be one thing on my mind without fail. When Pinnacle collapsed it really looked like we were on deaths door, they were extremely worrying times and it felt to me inside like a relative was terminally ill and on their last legs. The joy when the breaking news came through on SSN that Markus & NC had completed the takeover will always be the biggest joy I have ever felt as a Saints fan, more so than the promotions or any other good moments we may experience in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 Super post Turkish, 100% spot on. I am most definitely one of these people. Other than drawing the skates, my absolute number 1 wish in any cup draw where it is possible will always be Leyton Orient away, the best away day ever, twice! Following that I'd want Carlisle, or Hartlepool or Exeter....etc Makes me feel a tad nostalgic thinking about those days. Glad I got the DVDs of the League 1 years and Championship promotion season, great times never to be forgotten. On the other side of the coin, the administration and near liquidation days make me believe that yeah, I get it. Every day that summer, I would wake up and there would only be one thing on my mind without fail. When Pinnacle collapsed it really looked like we were on deaths door, they were extremely worrying times and it felt to me inside like a relative was terminally ill and on their last legs. The joy when the breaking news came through on SSN that Markus & NC had completed the takeover will always be the biggest joy I have ever felt as a Saints fan, more so than the promotions or any other good moments we may experience in the future. On your measure, sticking with us in the NPC in 2008/09, the proper dark days, was a bigger feat than the dewy-eyed romance of L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OfnPanad Posted 25 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 25 June, 2013 Great answers guys (well, on Page 1 anyway!) I had trouble getting the post written so no wonder lots of contrasting views come out - even over what "getting it" actually is. For me, the answer I most identify with is as I meant it is the not having a choice. I was born in Southampton and my father played for us. I never wobbled from Saints for a second at any stage, even though we seemed to lose every week. Oh, and I consider Hartlepool (0-0 on a foggy Tuesday, not home til gone 3am) and Oldham (6-0 - boom what a match) away and the JPT as very good times, although it's nice to be back where we belong. I think I get it - or I'm a lot closer than most guys I know - but I guess there is no right answer here. Cheers for contributing everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 ok. Thanks for going all MLG about it Hey, you're the one talking cobblers and expecting not to get called on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 On your measure, sticking with us in the NPC in 2008/09, the proper dark days, was a bigger feat than the dewy-eyed romance of L1. That's right though isn't it ? Although as we started on -10 there are a few weeks of 2009/10 post-takeover worthy of note too : anyone who was at Swindon for the "make a sub" game must be in contention, though it's a bit of a lilly-livered local midweek away game and we had already made a couple of signings, but Olly Lancashire conceded a corner from near the halfway line and I saw someone racially abuse one of our players with his parents in the row behind me, which must be worth at least 20 loyalty points. Ah, now I see why someone said this will turn into a "better fan" thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 most people expected to go up that season. What a load of **** you talk. Here are the facts, about 20% of people thought we'd go up in the first season. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?16984-Where-do-you-expect-Saints-to-finish-this-season At the time of Adkins' appointment: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?15014-Season-prediction-now-we-have-a-manager There was one bloke who seemed pretty certain saints would walk league one in the 2010-11 season, he was called The Delldays: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?24058-Predict-your-Top-3-for-all-4-Englsih-leagues Prediction thread for our promotion season, lots of people with guarded hopes, no mentions of walking the league: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?23682-predictions-for-this-season Show a little humility, Jamie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 (edited) What a load of **** you talk. Here are the facts, about 20% of people thought we'd go up in the first season. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?16984-Where-do-you-expect-Saints-to-finish-this-season At the time of Adkins' appointment: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?15014-Season-prediction-now-we-have-a-manager There was one bloke who seemed pretty certain saints would walk league one in the 2010-11 season, he was called The Delldays: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?24058-Predict-your-Top-3-for-all-4-Englsih-leagues Prediction thread for our promotion season, lots of people with guarded hopes, no mentions of walking the league: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?23682-predictions-for-this-season Show a little humility, Jamie. I would like to nominate this for Post of The Day I Couldn't Be Bothered To Research For Myself. Mighty work. Though the first two links are for the -10 season rather than the Pardew Sacked season we were talking about... Also amused at hypo's comment in the last link about Alpine's reaction to us going a goal down then scoring 3 rapid ones, happened almost word for word against MK Dons 6 months later. Edited 25 June, 2013 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 That's right though isn't it ? Although as we started on -10 there are a few weeks of 2009/10 post-takeover worthy of note too : anyone who was at Swindon for the "make a sub" game must be in contention, though it's a bit of a lilly-livered local midweek away game and we had already made a couple of signings, but Olly Lancashire conceded a corner from near the halfway line and I saw someone racially abuse one of our players with his parents in the row behind me, which must be worth at least 20 loyalty points. Ah, now I see why someone said this will turn into a "better fan" thread... Or the injury time pen we conceded up at Stockport - enjoyed on an open terrace along with the company of the rain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 anyone who was at Swindon for the "make a sub" game must be in contention That was the lowest ebb i've ever been at as a saints fan, watching that game i was convinced we were stuck in that league for a long, long time. Gutless, terrible and ripped to pieces by Swindon. Their wingers were as brilliant that day as we were terrible. Though the worst ever day as a saints fan still stands as That game at Fratton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 On your measure, sticking with us in the NPC in 2008/09, the proper dark days, was a bigger feat than the dewy-eyed romance of L1. I'd say 2007/8 & 2008/9 were hardwork, along with the starts of the League 1 seasons, Swindon aways, Huddersfield aways etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydney_saint Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 This is a really interesting discussion and something that I've being thinking about for a while. I think those that get most out of a football club is based on how much belonging or identity they feel with their club. As a Southampton fan, and some may call this sad, but that label, that emotional ride has established a key part of my own identity. I simply can not imagine supporting any other club and feel that if I did, I would actually have a different personality to today. As supporters of the same club, we can unite and discuss over a drink, have some banter and genuinely feel like we've always known each other. It is difficult to truly describe, but for better use of a term, the stronger the 'sense of place' you feel with your club, the more I feel you are getting out of football. It is something that also transcends geography. So the those getting the most out of their club probably relies on their strong sense of belonging and identity with that club, which is the pertinent to the individual, but I would suggest that as a general rule of thumb, those that support smaller clubs probably have a stronger identity with that club. I shamelessly wrote something on the weekend here which take a similar angle for anyone wishing to look at belong at football in any more detail. http://lastminutewinner.net/your-place-or-mine/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie saint Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 Bits I agree with in bold. I have lifelong first club liquidation issues and I genuinely don't think any club wants fans to sit in silence, but other than that, fair enough. Maidstone Utd are back, you know! New stadium, everything. *wink* My answer to the OP is probably 'not me' - not by most people's yardstick, anyway. I follow Saints, and go to games sometimes - the last one was Gillingham away, as it happens, so that would make me hardcore (apart from the fact that it was quite local for me, not a 200 mile round-trip on the proverbial rainy Tuesday). I, of course, check the scores on a Saturday, and am a little happier if it's gone our way. I've been the same since 1976 (when I was 7), when my uncle got me and my brother Saints memorabilia for Xmas - so you could call me a glory hunter. But then the nearest league club to me growing up was Peterborough, and no-one in my family would have taken me there, even if I'd asked probably. But, Saints is the only football I give a toss about. I'd never (these days - I used to tune into World Cups etc) watch a game we weren't involved in. I'm just not interested enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 It's not a new idea that football is a different experience depending on the club you support, but the older I get the more I notice the differences between my attitude and reaction to winning, transfers and even club politics, compared to other clubs' supporters. It just seems to mean more to me. So I started to wonder who 'gets' it? I mean - which club's supporters, in general, get the richest experience that football can give? Is it the Man U (formerly Liverpool) crowd? Traditionally "glory hunter" supporters that win most weeks? Is it the Wigan, Fulham or Yeovil fan that saw their club come from the bottom? Perhaps it's the Luton fan who sticks with them all the way down? Or is it us? I think we have a good case. In the Premiership years no other league team lost more games than us. Eventually we succumbed and had some more **** times. Then the turnaround...JPT, winning every week...no-one can argue that we have had some extremes in recent years. Does this mean we get more from football than most fans or just more grey hair? What do you think? Which club's fans (generally speaking) get the most out of football and why? It's more about the fan than the club. all clubs from Man Utd to maidstone have real fans that "get it". I think it's safe to say that the real Man Utd fans have had a richer experience of what football can give than us. As Saints fans we have had a pretty good deal though. All those years of top flight football plus the ups and downs of recent seasons. supporting some lower league clubs must be pretty bland in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 What a load of **** you talk. Here are the facts, about 20% of people thought we'd go up in the first season. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?16984-Where-do-you-expect-Saints-to-finish-this-season At the time of Adkins' appointment: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?15014-Season-prediction-now-we-have-a-manager There was one bloke who seemed pretty certain saints would walk league one in the 2010-11 season, he was called The Delldays: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?24058-Predict-your-Top-3-for-all-4-Englsih-leagues Prediction thread for our promotion season, lots of people with guarded hopes, no mentions of walking the league: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?23682-predictions-for-this-season Show a little humility, Jamie. Jamie, you were posting regularly on this thread until it was proven you were talking nonsense. Did you go all shy, or is it that painful to admit you got it wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 Jamie, you were posting regularly on this thread until it was proven you were talking nonsense. Did you go all shy, or is it that painful to admit you got it wrong? alright, I was wrong. there you go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 Ha! In your face! You were wrong! What a ****! Mr Wrong! Wrongity McWrongerson! Wroooooongo! Wrooooooongooo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 Ha! In your face! You were wrong! What a ****! Mr Wrong! Wrongity McWrongerson! Wroooooongo! Wrooooooongooo! Call me. Mr Wrong from now on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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