Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20081204/tuk-shannon-mother-found-guilty-dba1618.html Good, glad a jury saw sense. Now its up to the Judge to impose a very harsh sentance to reflect this disgusting crime that this sick chav committed. All for money too! I hope she gets a few beatings in prison too.
bridge too far Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 I wonder how that poor little girl's doing?
Master Bates Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 She's been found guilty of being the most grotesque munter ever? Hardly surprising to be fair. Shannon Matthews, Maddie McCann, it's like they say, it's always the ugly one's that get found.
Ash Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 Shannon Matthews, Maddie McCann, it's like they say, it's always the ugly one's that get found. I can't tell whether you are trying to be funny or suggesting that Madeline McCann was hot? Either way, way to go you.
benjii Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 In a perverse way her mum may have done her a favour. Were her chances of growing up to be a complete waste of space higher before or now?
Pip87 Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 In a perverse way her mum may have done her a favour. Were her chances of growing up to be a complete waste of space higher before or now? It's hard to say. Research suggests that adults who grew up in care do much worse than those who did not. If she manages to get adopted then her chances will be much better, but it's not easy to get children her age adopted. Growing up in care, when she reaches the age of 18 she will be in the same position as me - totally alone with no family and therefore no back up of any kind. Let me tell you that it is not easy by any stretch of the imagination. It's up to her essentially. If she has the motivation to do well then she will. But it's very easy to not. For me, the temptation to grow up a total waste of space was great as it's a lot easier and it's what the people around you are doing. But I had the motivation to cut myself off from pretty much everyone to do well at college because I knew I could do a lot better with my life, and am now doing so.
TopGun Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 I like the bit in the BBC story where it says the feller was called a "dimwit" but it didn't say who said it. Good on yer Judge!
TopGun Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 It's hard to say. Research suggests that adults who grew up in care do much worse than those who did not. If she manages to get adopted then her chances will be much better, but it's not easy to get children her age adopted. Growing up in care, when she reaches the age of 18 she will be in the same position as me - totally alone with no family and therefore no back up of any kind. Let me tell you that it is not easy by any stretch of the imagination. It's up to her essentially. If she has the motivation to do well then she will. But it's very easy to not. For me, the temptation to grow up a total waste of space was great as it's a lot easier and it's what the people around you are doing. But I had the motivation to cut myself off from pretty much everyone to do well at college because I knew I could do a lot better with my life, and am now doing so. I don't think she has much of a chance because when the media attention is over she'll be fostered from place to place etc. But then again, maybe that's better than what might have been otherwise.
benjii Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 It's hard to say. Research suggests that adults who grew up in care do much worse than those who did not. If she manages to get adopted then her chances will be much better, but it's not easy to get children her age adopted. Growing up in care, when she reaches the age of 18 she will be in the same position as me - totally alone with no family and therefore no back up of any kind. Let me tell you that it is not easy by any stretch of the imagination. It's up to her essentially. If she has the motivation to do well then she will. But it's very easy to not. For me, the temptation to grow up a total waste of space was great as it's a lot easier and it's what the people around you are doing. But I had the motivation to cut myself off from pretty much everyone to do well at college because I knew I could do a lot better with my life, and am now doing so. Thanks for the post and for being so open. Sorry if mine seemed flippant - I certainly wasn't trying to make light of the care system or anything like that. Sometimes you look at a kid's parents and wonder what chance they've got, but I suppose it's fair to look at the care system in the same way in most cases. Anyway, well done on being a success!
bridge too far Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 I don't think she has much of a chance because when the media attention is over she'll be fostered from place to place etc. But then again, maybe that's better than what might have been otherwise. Poor child. What a miserable life she would have had, either way. Let's hope she can rise above it all, like Pip obviously has.
Master Bates Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 I can't tell whether you are trying to be funny or suggesting that Madeline McCann was hot? Either way, way to go you. pmsl
Colinjb Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 Quite bizare that only a few hours after she is found guilty the BBC show a documentary on how bad Karen Mathews is. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty!?
Ponty Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 I can't tell whether you are trying to be funny or suggesting that Madeline McCann was hot? Either way, way to go you. He's just being his usual "anus" self tbh.
Pip87 Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 Thanks for the post and for being so open. Sorry if mine seemed flippant - I certainly wasn't trying to make light of the care system or anything like that. Sometimes you look at a kid's parents and wonder what chance they've got, but I suppose it's fair to look at the care system in the same way in most cases. Anyway, well done on being a success! Not at all! The care system is, in some ways, appalling. It let me down. I chose to remain out of the system. It was FAR too late before they found out what was happening and the only place for me was at the local drug addicts hostal. I decided that wasn't for me because i'm too :cool: LOL Living in Portsmouth I see a fair number of parents with children and think that but then remember you should never make assumptions based on looks. Some of these parents who look 'young and chavvy' are actually fantastic parents. Everyone thought my mother was great.. appearances can be VERY deceiving.
Pip87 Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 Quite bizare that only a few hours after she is found guilty the BBC show a documentary on how bad Karen Mathews is. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty!? Hence not showing it until she was proven guilty?
Colinjb Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 Hence not showing it until she was proven guilty? They obviously judged she was guilty before any official announcement was made in order to churn it out this quickly. Regardless of how 'obvious' it may seem it just doesn't feel right to me.
Pip87 Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 They obviously judged she was guilty before any official announcement was made in order to churn it out this quickly. Regardless of how 'obvious' it may seem it just doesn't feel right to me. I do see your point, They have to keep ahead to get these things out fast though in fairness to them. Maybe they had a 'isn't she fantastic' one too? Ever the optimist here!
Hatch Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 They obviously judged she was guilty before any official announcement was made in order to churn it out this quickly. Regardless of how 'obvious' it may seem it just doesn't feel right to me. There is no point in making the program now and showing it in 5 months, its not topical then. Like Obiturary programs are made before Joe Bloggs dies so the TV station can show it on the day.
Wiltshire Saint Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 There is no point in making the program now and showing it in 5 months, its not topical then. Like Obiturary programs are made before Joe Bloggs dies so the TV station can show it on the day. Has Joe Bloggs died? Sad news. My thoughts are with his family. RIP
Kaiser Soze Posted 4 December, 2008 Posted 4 December, 2008 I watched the Panorama special and it was a real eye opener to what lengths this chav money-grabbing low-life whore went to. Amongst her web of lies, during the 'disappearance' a local supermarket gave them a free shopping as a gesture of goodwill, she filled up two trollies with booze...
Hatch Posted 5 December, 2008 Posted 5 December, 2008 I watched the Panorama special and it was a real eye opener to what lengths this chav money-grabbing low-life whore went to. Amongst her web of lies, during the 'disappearance' a local supermarket gave them a free shopping as a gesture of goodwill, she filled up two trollies with booze... Did you see her family tree, it was about half of bloody Dewsbury. Should bomb the whole town. Scum.
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