whelk Posted 23 June, 2013 Share Posted 23 June, 2013 http://bit.ly/12bPRC5 Wanyama Osvaldo Mainggolam Fck em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 23 June, 2013 Share Posted 23 June, 2013 Has Wanyama actually snubbed us or just isn't happy with what we're offering him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 23 June, 2013 Share Posted 23 June, 2013 The mirror didn't put any of that context just to make the story more of a story, almost as bad as the sun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 23 June, 2013 Share Posted 23 June, 2013 Mainggolam Who? It baffles me that people are angry at these players for turning us down - we should be excited that they're even talking to us, and incredibly excited if they actually sign. These are good, good players and we are not the Premier League powerhouse some people seem to think we are. Wanyama in particular seems like a good young lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 23 June, 2013 Share Posted 23 June, 2013 http://bit.ly/12bPRC5 Wanyama Osvaldo Mainggolam Fck em Do you believe everything written in the Mirror? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 23 June, 2013 Share Posted 23 June, 2013 The mirror didn't put any of that context just to make the story more of a story, almost as bad as the sun! They are a lot worse than the Sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 June, 2013 Share Posted 23 June, 2013 I haven't seen an accurate Mirror story about Saints this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 23 June, 2013 Share Posted 23 June, 2013 I haven't seen an accurate Mirror story about Saints this year... http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-transfers-dejan-lovren-joins-1953718 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 June, 2013 Share Posted 23 June, 2013 Who? It baffles me that people are angry at these players for turning us down - we should be excited that they're even talking to us, and incredibly excited if they actually sign. These are good, good players and we are not the Premier League powerhouse some people seem to think we are. Wanyama in particular seems like a good young lad. Why would you be excited about talking to a player? We could talk to Messi but it means nothing if he doesn't sign. Some people are very easily pleased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 June, 2013 Share Posted 23 June, 2013 (edited) http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-transfers-dejan-lovren-joins-1953718 No accurate stories PRIOR to the completion of a transfer. Any idiot can report it afterwards, I'm talking about where speculation is concerned, the Mirror are usually way off. Edited 23 June, 2013 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 June, 2013 Share Posted 23 June, 2013 Why would you be excited about talking to a player? We could talk to Messi but it means nothing if he doesn't sign. Some people are very easily pleased. I pretty much agree with you on that. I still have massive amounts of cynicism about how likely we are to achieve our European goal, but Cortese's previous suggests that he doesn't plan on making any empty promises and his track record so far has only been on-field success matching our ambition (provided you didn't actually want to win any leagues). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 23 June, 2013 Share Posted 23 June, 2013 Why would you be excited about talking to a player? We could talk to Messi but it means nothing if he doesn't sign. Some people are very easily pleased. Obviously, but generally speaking clubs don't waste their time talking to players they don't think would sign for them and vice versa. We've already captured two players who many considered to be above our level. Don't get me wrong, I'm not sat here foaming at the mouth, it just says a lot about how far the club's come since 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 23 June, 2013 Share Posted 23 June, 2013 Probably a lot more of this kinda thing gonna go on from now on. We are looking to sign players who are far beyond what is considered our rightful level. All the money in the world won't necessarily convince more than a handful of them to sign. We have a long way to go before players even know about us, let alone want to sign for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 Whenever people get all "rightful level" I think about us coming second in the 80s, and Man City being in the third tier in the 00s. The only "rightful level" is where you finish, football is a meritocracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyin Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 The usual damning of those that reject us I see. Could it not be a damning indictment on the pulling power of MP and the selling ability of the club of NC that is at question or quite simply, we ain't big enough for these players ambitions (no matter how some on here perceive us to be). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 Our targets are currently unrealistic for sure. Saints are not a big club and that is why these guys won't come here. Of course NC wants to turn us into a big club, but that takes a lot of time and of course continued success. He is trying to jump too many rungs of the ladder at once, and prospective players will not be convinced by mere words. Take Wanyama for instance, why would he want to leave Celtic for Saints? Celtic is a huge club, in the CL, have great history etc. etc. He clearly wants to join the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool et al. If they don't want him then do we really want to find ourselves in a Kevin Phillips situation - where a player joins but really and truly doesn't want to be here. And the cost of these guys is just enormous. Take a breath, Nicola, and try and make steady progress with so called lesser talented players who don't have an attitude problem. SRL is a shining example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 I wonder if Everton would get a triple snub? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibizasaint Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 We are trying to convince these guys to join us when they are also being linked with teams like Arsenal, Inter and Liverpool. It's no wonder they arent just agreeing to join instantly. At least NC is showing some ambition and trying to get people to take us to the next level. Look at Norwich getting RVW. United were trying to get him about 2 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 These are the kind of players that want champs league and we can't offer it. Young top players are quite rightly ambitious and want to play at the level that their ability dictates. That's a big drawback for a club like us and we might just have to build more slowly, accumulating bit by bit. That said, no one really knows if these deals have fallen through or not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 Whenever people get all "rightful level" I think about us coming second in the 80s, and Man City being in the third tier in the 00s. The only "rightful level" is where you finish, football is a meritocracy. Quite. Where you finish in 2013. Where you finished in 1984 surprisingly doesn't feature very high in most players' thinking. By "rightful level" I am referring to us as a sizeable provincial team who have a modest reputation outside of the UK having been out of the top flight for so long. I doubt we would even attract these guys in the years before we were relegated - even with money. Players like this might take one more season of improvement in the club to convince. Or a redeveloped ground. Something which says we are a top half Premier League club more than finishing a few points off the dropzone. To reach for these guys now shows ambition but also a degree of impatience. We might have to get knocked back quite a few times before we sign guys of this kind of reputation. Happy to be proven wrong though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 What is a provincial team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 Look at Norwich getting RVW. United were trying to get him about 2 years ago. Norwich have signed Rip Van Winkle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 What is a provincial team? pro·vin·cial(pr-vnshl) adj. 1. Of or relating to a province. 2. Of or characteristic of people from the provinces; not fashionable or sophisticated: "Well-educated professional women ... made me feel uncomfortably provincial" (J.R. Salamanca). 3. Limited in perspective; narrow and self-centered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibizasaint Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 Norwich have signed Rip Van Winkle? Exactly....household name mate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 Probably a lot more of this kinda thing gonna go on from now on. We are looking to sign players who are far beyond what is considered our rightful level. All the money in the world won't necessarily convince more than a handful of them to sign. We have a long way to go before players even know about us, let alone want to sign for us. These players were rumoured in the newspapers to be ones we are after and the article is another rumour in a newspaper that those players have snubbed us. There are any number of factors that might mean that any or all of those players might yet sign for us, or that there are indeed other players who are alternatives to those that we are making a play for, that we fans have not even caught wind of yet. It is early days still and it could be that those players are being urged by their agents to wait, in case offers come in from the glory clubs that are rumoured to be interested in them. But then those glory clubs might also be waiting on news on other players that they would prefer to sign, or might not be prepared to match our rumoured price. This sort of player isn't a big name player known throughout football. Rather they are young players with potential, or slightly older with a decent track record, who should be able to provide quality at the level we aspire to be. The other side of the coin that argues that these players consider us too small, is that there are the players we have here already like Shaw, worth twice the amount of any of those three and perfectly content to further their career here for another year or two. Ultimately, there are only so many places available in any squad, whether that be the top clubs in England and Europe, or those currently a few places below but with ambitions. Once those places are filled with the top teams, there will be plenty of really good players still seeking to play in the Premiership who will come to realise that we are a club on the way up, the next best thing currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 Norwich have signed Rip Van Winkle? Sleeping giant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 We are obviously not going to get every player over the line, but for those that are moaning at Saints going for unrealistic targets. Seriously get a grip and just enjoy the ride. Up until last season, our record signing was rory ****ing delap. We smashed that transfer fee by 3 times and look likely to beat it again in this window. It won't last forever, but it will be fun whilst it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 We are obviously not going to get every player over the line, but for those that are moaning at Saints going for unrealistic targets. Seriously get a grip and just enjoy the ride. Up until last season, our record signing was rory ****ing delap. We smashed that transfer fee by 3 times and look likely to beat it again in this window. It won't last forever, but it will be fun whilst it does. i much prefered the days when we were chasing Brett Ormerod, Mikel Nielsen and Jelle Van Damme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 i much prefered the days when we were chasing Brett Ormerod, Mikel Nielsen and Jelle Van Damme. I remember my excitement when I opened the paper one sunday morning and read that we were linked with Chris Bart-Williams. Heady days indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 I can well understand the two midfielders not signing for us, they probably realise that the pairing we have in place already might well consign them to some realistic bench time. Depends if they want to play or just get paid. Not worried about signing either of them. In fact in the case of Wanyama I'd think it quite a good thing that he doesn't cos to me he has the distinct possibility of being a 10 million £ dud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 i much prefered the days when we were chasing Brett Ormerod, Mikel Nielsen and Jelle Van Damme. I remember my excitement when I opened the paper one sunday morning and read that we were linked with Chris Bart-Williams. Heady days indeed Even back then we had at least one fantasy story a year I remember the Bierhoff summer and a couple of Janker ones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 pro·vin·cial(pr-vnshl) adj. 1. Of or relating to a province. 2. Of or characteristic of people from the provinces; not fashionable or sophisticated: "Well-educated professional women ... made me feel uncomfortably provincial" (J.R. Salamanca). 3. Limited in perspective; narrow and self-centered. well I don't know about England but in France "les provinciaux" live on the other side of the A86 to the Parisiens, it used to be the periph but now it's the circular motorway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 Pochettino's reputation will be a major consideration for players signing for Saints not the club. His lack of success and for being a slave driver aren't exactly attractive to young prima donnas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 Our targets are currently unrealistic for sure. Saints are not a big club and that is why these guys won't come here. Of course NC wants to turn us into a big club, but that takes a lot of time and of course continued success. He is trying to jump too many rungs of the ladder at once, and prospective players will not be convinced by mere words. Take Wanyama for instance, why would he want to leave Celtic for Saints? Celtic is a huge club, in the CL, have great history etc. etc. He clearly wants to join the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool et al. If they don't want him then do we really want to find ourselves in a Kevin Phillips situation - where a player joins but really and truly doesn't want to be here. And the cost of these guys is just enormous. Take a breath, Nicola, and try and make steady progress with so called lesser talented players who don't have an attitude problem. SRL is a shining example. Probably because he heard that they were about to sign James McFadden. Massive player for massive club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 (edited) Our targets are currently unrealistic for sure. Saints are not a big club and that is why these guys won't come here. Of course NC wants to turn us into a big club, but that takes a lot of time and of course continued success. He is trying to jump too many rungs of the ladder at once, and prospective players will not be convinced by mere words. Take Wanyama for instance, why would he want to leave Celtic for Saints? Celtic is a huge club, in the CL, have great history etc. etc. He clearly wants to join the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool et al. If they don't want him then do we really want to find ourselves in a Kevin Phillips situation - where a player joins but really and truly doesn't want to be here. And the cost of these guys is just enormous. Take a breath, Nicola, and try and make steady progress with so called lesser talented players who don't have an attitude problem. SRL is a shining example. No player from the SPL is an unrealistic target for any EPL club or even a top NPC club. Their season is all about a couple of preliminary rounds in the CL and exciting away games at Inverness Caledonian Thistle and St Mirren. What is unrealistic is paying a lot of money for any of them. Then again with NC I don't expect we'd pay over the odds and talk of 10/12 million £ is just the usual agent bollix. look at what we were supposed to have bid for Hooper, 8 million £ wasn't it, doubt it was even half of that. If we'd really bid 8 million they'd have snatched our arm off. SPL average attendances 2012/13 Celtic 46917 Hearts 13163 Hibernian 10489 Aberdeen 9611 Dundee Utd 7547 Dundee 5943 Motherwell 5362 Kilmarnock 4647 Ross County 4430 St Mirren 4389 Inverness CT 4038 St Johnstone 3712 and even Hearts are into Admin, there is no future for serious football in Scotland. We need to let Celtic join our league and let the rest of them fade away. Edited 24 June, 2013 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 When I first read the title of this thread I thought it said 'Triple Sub', which I'm pretty sure was a Bobby Robson speciality. Anyway I don't really see Wanyama or Naingollan as unrealistic targets. Players especially foreign ones want to play in the Premier League, we can offer the ones that aren't quite targets for a top 4 an opportunity to do that probably with a pay rise as well. They can then prove they are good enough for Arsenal, Uts, City etc. I think we all know Celtic are a massive club, something like 12 million fans world wide and get 45k a week but their league is dire, as Window Cleaner points out most of the other clubs there are probably smaller than Pompey and would struggle in league 1 and even Celtic's first team squad is really a collection of ex-championship players and a collection of buys from Europe's other minor leagues. All they have left is the Champions League, they are 1-40 on to win the league this year and even their team knows everything rests on them getting to the Champions League group stage - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/celtic/10132805/Celtics-season-depends-on-qualifying-for-Champions-League-group-stage-warns-Joe-Ledley.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 May have a bit of truth in it or just agents talk. I would not be surprised if all three are waiting to see what the best offer for them is before deciding. If they are not committed to us then they can go elsewhere. In terms of Celtic - they are a massive club playing in the equivalent of our Div 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 http://bit.ly/12bPRC5 Wanyama Osvaldo Mainggolam Fck em To a certain degree, the club concurs. Not so many years ago, a certain Neil Danns came to town as a guest of the club, to discuss a move. Every measure to make him feel as welcome and valued as possible was enacted, every courtesy was extended. We made a very competitive (even now) wage offer, and Mr Danns laughed and demanded we double it. All of those concerned in his potential acquisition agreed that in regards to the young man and his agent, **** 'em. His sole topic of discussion was money, with not even pretence of interest in the ambitions or infrastructure of the club. Obviously at a higher level, with a greater calibre of player, you have to work harder to entice your targets, and be less rigid in your approach. But if a player sets off too many red lights (or their representatives (VW)), the decision will ultimately be the same. And a good thing too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 To a certain degree, the club concurs. Not so many years ago, a certain Neil Danns came to town as a guest of the club, to discuss a move. Every measure to make him feel as welcome and valued as possible was enacted, every courtesy was extended. We made a very competitive (even now) wage offer, and Mr Danns laughed and demanded we double it. All of those concerned in his potential acquisition agreed that in regards to the young man and his agent, **** 'em. His sole topic of discussion was money, with not even pretence of interest in the ambitions or infrastructure of the club. Obviously at a higher level, with a greater calibre of player, you have to work harder to entice your targets, and be less rigid in your approach. But if a player sets off too many red lights (or their representatives (VW)), the decision will ultimately be the same. And a good thing too. Is this a revelation I see before me ? Did we know about this or was there a cover up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 Not a cover up per se, just the clubs ethos of condcuting business privately (as we all know). It also wasn't an indication that the VW move is off, just a reminder of how we have dealt with such situations in the (fairly) recent past! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 Not a cover up per se, just the clubs ethos of condcuting business privately (as we all know). It also wasn't an indication that the VW move is off, just a reminder of how we have dealt with such situations in the (fairly) recent past! yes but I don't think these details have ever come to light before, maybe i just missed it, don't read the forum 24/7 or track back through threads, read last to first so could have missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 Wanyama isn't an unrealistic signing. He's 21 and wouldn't get into a first team in the top 5 consistently. So his next best bet would be to go to an interim club before that level with a focus on youth and aspirations to finish in the top half, there aren't very many options if he wants to stay in the UK are there?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 Wanyama isn't an unrealistic signing. He's 21 and wouldn't get into a first team in the top 5 consistently. So his next best bet would be to go to an interim club before that level with a focus on youth and aspirations to finish in the top half, there aren't very many options if he wants to stay in the UK are there?! the fee is too high to take a chance on a player who won't make a top 5 side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 If NA was shafted and MP brought in because he could attract more glamorous signing I would say that so far it isnt working that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 the fee is too high to take a chance on a player who won't make a top 5 side I agree. But Ronaldo's and Bale's excel exponentially between 21 and 25, he might just be the next big thing. Regardless of the fee, I just don't think he's an unrealistic target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 If NA was shafted and MP brought in because he could attract more glamorous signing I would say that so far it isnt working that well. luckily, that is more than likely, not the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 So what happens if none of Pochettino's targets want to come here and he realises at last that we are not such a BIG team as he thought we were? Will he clear off as well? Just a thought; it would derail Cortese ambitious plans as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 I really don't think we are in the know regarding Saints targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berudenot2 Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 This plus the fact that prospective targets agents looking to maximize their own commission will trot out the same BS that their client is attracting interest from top 5 EPL clubs. It's a crude negotiation tactic that seems to work in a lot of cases. However we all know that the real reason the mercenaries don't want to join our world beating club is the quality of slappers in Southampton don't measure up to those of London & Manchester and our fans are so badly attired they are an embarrassment.I really don't think we are in the know regarding Saints targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 24 June, 2013 Share Posted 24 June, 2013 If NA was shafted and MP brought in because he could attract more glamorous signing I would say that so far it isnt working that well. You just have to look at how his former players aren't even keen on coming to join him. Just look at how his prize player at Espanyol chose Liverpool last January over rejoining his old boss at Saints. If he was so loved where are they falling over themselves to link up with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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