niemi14 Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Why shouldn't he be? What's the impact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanimal Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Totally agree; need a stronger more verbal character. Get the monkey off his back and concentrate on his game and shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 I agree. Wonderful that an academy lad has fought his way to become an integral part of the team but he doesn't seem to be a natural leader. There are also areas he needs to improve in his own game (positional sense, covering his full back) that a captain should be able to do and use as a platform for leading the side. For a replacement. .. Morgan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Agree. End discussion. Saying that, I think he's a player that needs to play by instinct and not have something else on his mind, such as leading the team. It's true that his form dipped after his injury and he became a father too which perhaps played on his mind, subconsciously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Do you all think that the role of the captain in about who runs around shouting the loudest on the pitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 I remember hearing one of the other players describe him as "mr southampton" last season. Thought that was interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 You need to see the impact and role, real captains of other teams (Steven Gerrard is the first that comes to mind) provide to understand the delta between them and what Lallana offers us as Captain. In recent years it seems to go to the best player or handed out as a thank you or reward for something, to the point it becomes meaningless. I hope we change Captains, not least for the fact that this is a big year for Lallana coming up and he will need to focus entirely on his game, without any other distractions, just to stay in the starting 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 I thought SRL made a great captain. Few players lead more by example in putting in effort and getting up and dusting himself down after yet another poor referring decision went against him. End of the day, few if any tactical decisions are made on the pitch by the captain, it's more a case of motivating and getting other players focused on the pitch. Leadership is what SRL has in buckets. Problem is will he be a shoe in every game, or will Lala for that matter. Does having too many different captains have an effect on the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Discuss. sooo....no reasons put forward as to why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 I'd say Morgan seems like the natural captain to me. He even does the huddle talking. Taking the captaincy of Lallana may dent his confidence quite a bit. It seems he was given it on the back of being from the academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Captains have a more important role off the pitch. The players want a captain that they trust and who acts as a conduit between players and management. We have leaders on the pitch and you don't need an arm band to lead. IMO, this whole Lallana as captain thing is fast becoming another classic SWF myth peddled as fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Why raise this subject, what's the point? MP is the Manager, not the OP, so leave it up to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Why raise this subject, what's the point? MP is the Manager, not the OP, so leave it up to him. So effectively shut down the forum then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 So effectively shut down the forum then? Indeed, what a daft comment from Finland.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Lambert should be our captain imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintWill71 Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 We can only give opinions on what we see on the pitch which in all honesty is a very small part of it all. How a player is seen by the group of players and if he is respected etc are far more important. Personally I'd like to see someone else as captain as I feel it hinders Adam's game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Captain selects dressing room music, so don't expect Adam to lose the armband without a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 We can only give opinions on what we see on the pitch which in all honesty is a very small part of it all. How a player is seen by the group of players and if he is respected etc are far more important. Personally I'd like to see someone else as captain as I feel it hinders Adam's game Lot's of people are saying this but how does it hinder his game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsCorner Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Couldn't care less who's captain. It's just a piece of cloth- leaders don't need cloth to lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 not bothered for some reason, in England we are fixated on who is the captain. Look at the sheer fuss about who skippers England and that can be seen at club level at times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 At the moment I do not think we have a natural leader/captain in the side. Its not about loyalty, skill which AL has loads of, its about leadership, being vocal, making sure the team sticks to the game plan as directed by the manager, motivation and at times boll*cking. I would say that Morgan comes the closest to filling that role and perhaps could grow into it....................................IMO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Totally agree; need a stronger more verbal character. Get the monkey off his back and concentrate on his game and shooting. Shooting instead of shouting aye, what's in a letter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 It is not just being a captain on the pitch. Adam does an lot behind the scenes that most of you would not believe and I am not going to breach confidences by saying any more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 I should also add that a highly motivated, focussed and talented team should not need a captain on the pitch for the 90 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 sooo....no reasons put forward as to why? Probably what most of us are thinking, that since he was given captaincy he's been utter tripe and one of the weakest links in the team. Mr Southampton/academy lad come good sentimental stuff aside, he's a player who has been integral in getting us to where we are but not one who will have much more than a squad role if we want to step up again. IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Pochettino said soon after he arrived that he'd let the squad decide who should be captain. I assume AL was chosen to carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 It makes no difference whatsoever on the pitch as to who is captain. The players who aren't don't stop encouraging or organising just because they aren't wearing the armband. What Weston says is true, it's the work they do behind the scenes and off the pitch that's more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Morgan for now, will be JWP in a few years. We could always reinstate Hammond? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 It makes no difference whatsoever on the pitch as to who is captain. The players who aren't don't stop encouraging or organising just because they aren't wearing the armband. What Weston says is true, it's the work they do behind the scenes and off the pitch that's more important. I said it first pal, Weston plagiarised me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Stick with him, in 10 years time when he has won his 5th premier league winners medal as saints captain we wont be that bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 I'd say Morgan seems like the natural captain to me. He even does the huddle talking. Taking the captaincy of Lallana may dent his confidence quite a bit. It seems he was given it on the back of being from the academy. I agree with this. Someone mentioned Gerrard before and his role as Liverpool captain, IMO he is/was one of the best captains in the PL in his prime. So many games he basically grabbed agame by the scruff of the neck and made sure those around him followed his example. Terry is much the same, will give his all for England and Chelsea. Thats what you really want as a captain, for me as a midfielder myself Im not sure Adam would be able to rally me on the pitch or particularly inspire me to dig my heels in. The sheer amount of effort Morgs seems to put in, for me, would make him my captain Nb - thats notjing against Adam BTW, good lad, puts a lot of effort in on the pitch and on the training pitch, I just have strong opinions on a captain thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli_BN1 Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 it should be Rickie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Many years ago Nick Holmes said all the captain had to do was go out, call heads or tails at the toss and choose which way to kick first half. A rather simplistic view maybe but as Weston says a talented team who are being constantly told what to do by MP onthe touchline dont need a captain to du much. Let him carry on, just because he took a while to adapt to the Premiership and a while to get over his injuries, which often seems to happen with him, does not show if he is a good or bad captain or more importantly if it impacts on his game ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 If we strengthen and it works out that Adam and others don't get to start every match then there could be a lot of armband swopping going on as there has to be a captain on the pitch as only he is authorised to approach the referee on behalf of the team. If Adam stays captain then there may need to be several vice-captains (not captains of vice as Benny Hill would say!) lined up ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Lallana doesn't deserve to be in the starting XI based on last year's performances so it hardly makes sense for him to be the captain. The captain needs to be an automatic pick. Based on last season that permits: Boruc, Clyne, Morgan, Cork, Lambert, Rodriguez (and Shaw but he is hardly going to be made captain as an apparently injury-prone 17 year old). I would say it should be Morgan, unless any of the new signings are a better choice. Of those players listed, I doubt Cork, Lambert and Rodriguez will be automatic picks next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Stick with him, in 10 years time when he has won his 5th premier league winners medal as saints captain we wont be that bothered. should have been six. all adam's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 lallana can be the club captain. Off the pitch spokesman , hospital visits and so on. On the pitch, it should be ....i dunno. Fonte possibly, but he might not play. Why don't we buy a captain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 20 June, 2013 Share Posted 20 June, 2013 Adam will have to up his game in the coming season if he's to get an respect as Captain. He's just not captain material, especially how he was playing when he returned from injury. Eventually the captain will be one of Pochettino's mercenary imports, which will probably be better than allowing Adam to continue in the role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 It makes no difference whatsoever on the pitch as to who is captain. The players who aren't don't stop encouraging or organising just because they aren't wearing the armband. What Weston says is true, it's the work they do behind the scenes and off the pitch that's more important. It makes a difference to the person who is captain. And Lallana is a key player and makes the team tick. So maybe, long term making him captain is a good thing. He is also a true saint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 to me, he is relishing the role now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 According to the match stream yesterday Ricky was Captain and certainly it was Ricky who did all the talking with Howard Webb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 According to the match stream yesterday Ricky was Captain and certainly it was Ricky who did all the talking with Howard Webb. It was adam and he passed him the armband when he went off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Lovren will be captain next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 (edited) Captains have a more important role off the pitch. The players want a captain that they trust and who acts as a conduit between players and management. We have leaders on the pitch and you don't need an arm band to lead. IMO, this whole Lallana as captain thing is fast becoming another classic SWF myth peddled as fact. This is correct. We have leaders all over. I think there's alot more to be captain than the fans see. He has to have a good relationship with the manager and players alike. The manager obviously feels he can relate to him the best when trying to get across to the players. The captain is mainly down to who the manager can relate to most in my opinion. He wouldn't be my choice. But I'm not the manager. Any I couldn't pick who would be my choice as I don't know the players Mmmmmmm that's foxed me. I don't know lallana so if I was manager he could be my choice. Who knows Edited 12 January, 2014 by Matthew Le Tissier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 It was adam and he passed him the armband when he went off. You're correct. Just been to view the Gallery and see Adam's wearing the Captain's armband. Think the commentators got it wrong and it was long before Adam left the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 According to the match stream yesterday Ricky was Captain and certainly it was Ricky who did all the talking with Howard Webb. Must have been a very dodgy stream you were watching. Adam was captain, handed over the arm band to Rickie (note spelling) when he went off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Natural leader, motivates, communicates the managers messages, leads by example and well on his way to being the next Saints legend. I've watched him grow into this role. The lad is an outstanding, passionate and a motivator on the pitch. Captain? Hell yeah. Complete no-brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 I saw a interview recently . I think it was ward Prowse And lovren was brought up and he said he's a great captain and leader in the dressing room! Nothing was mentioned about others only that we have a few leaders! Can't remember the interview it was. Maybe a England one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 12 January, 2014 Share Posted 12 January, 2014 Lovren will be captain next season Wow. I completely agree with you and I really hope he is - nothing against the others, but Lovren wants to lead, you can see that on the pitch, by his tweets, but his conduct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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