Turkish Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Acording to Nixon he wants to join Everton anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 That's not what my mate said. He went to see him play in a game against Inverness and he was awful. Couldn't pass wind, constantly gave the ball away, couldn't control it, scored two own goals gave away a penalty and got sent off. The fenians call him the Kenyan Terry Hurlock. One to be aw avoided. I would suggest you find a mate with a lot better football knowledge , As someone who saw Wanyama play in most of his games last year including Champions league I will tell you and any one else interested that he is a fantastic prospect. He is a great offensive and defensive midfielder capable of scoring goals, especially from corners. He can also be a first class centre half , better than anything saints had in that position last year. I predict that if we manage to sign him he will take the PL by storm next year and within 2 to 3 years we will have a player worth at least twice his present value. IMO 12 million buys us one of the best prospects in world football and if we lose him over a few thousand to a agent or whatever we are being very shortsighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 A bit of common sense at last. You two should post more Ah I post now and then but not keen on getting involved in all the nonsense that takes hold of a bulk of the threads. Sure somebody else will have spotted it but skysports has also picked up on Lennon's quotes. I'm quietely confident on this one and it may appear playing a bit of hardball with the agent has showed how narrow his options actually are and may have got us a better deal ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 If he was any good the big boys would be after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 If he was any good the big boys would be after him. Especially as he's been described on here as one of the best prospects in world football!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Especially as he's been described on here as one of the best prospects in world football!! you could say. that (a couple of) Celtic fans are talking about Wanyama like we did about saints being the best club outside of the top 4 whilst finishing 2nd in League 1 and that Kelvin should have been picked for England for his form in the NPC despite not being good enough for the prem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 you could say. that (a couple of) Celtic fans are talking about Wanyama like we did about saints being the best club outside of the top 4 whilst finishing 2nd in League 1 and that Kelvin should have been picked for England for his form in the NPC despite not being good enough for the prem? You could indeed say that Jamie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 I am in the same boat as egg I've watch him play around a dozen matches, and bar the barca game where he was like a dog with a bone I don't believe he s worth 12.5m. You can only play what's in front of you etc is fine but why should that have any bearing on his own game ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 For whom? What UEFA badge have you got? Hence the reason I have a low post total because the minute you add a opinion on here that doesn't fit with the big bully boys way of thinking they are looking to put you down. With whom does not matter , you have my opinion on a player that I have watched on a regular basis , Your mate you say has given you second hand knowledge on a performance on one game and believe me that is a very distorted view on that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 If he was any good the big boys would be after him. Iwould have thought that coach at Orient was not the worst job you could get in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 (edited) Hence the reason I have a low post total because the minute you add a opinion on here that doesn't fit with the big bully boys way of thinking they are looking to put you down. With whom does not matter , you have my opinion on a player that I have watched on a regular basis , Your mate you say has given you second hand knowledge on a performance on one game and believe me that is a very distorted view on that game. Why is asking you what level of badge you've got when you claim to be a football coach, bullying? Fine, you've given an opinion, I've never seen him play apart from the champions league game so don't have one on him. It was you that went all billy big bo*llocks, saying my pal has no football knowledge and "I've played coached and watched football for 70 years" don't like it when questioned about it though do you, then whinge about bullying. Edited 7 July, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 You're an idiot mate. I haven't said that my opinion is that the transfer committee have messed up. I just don't rate this player as highly as some. That seemingly includes you, despite you never having seen him play. He has over 80% success rate in Champions League and close to 90% in SPL. You are talking complete dog tripe and probably haven't even seen him play as much as you say. Just my opinion on a football forum of course so you will respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 He has over 80% success rate in Champions League and close to 90% in SPL. You are talking complete dog tripe and probably haven't even seen him play as much as you say. Just my opinion on a football forum of course so you will respect that. Is 12 yellows in a season a sign of a disciplined and accurate tackler. Yes or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Why is asking you what level of badge you've got when you claim to be a football coach, bullying? Fine, you've given an opinion, I've never seen him play apart from the champions league game so don't have one on him. It was you that went all billy big bo*llocks, saying my pal has no football knowledge and "I've played coached and watched football for 70 years" don't like it when questioned about it though do you, then whinge about bullying. Why can't the bloke just have an opinion? You are no more an expert than he is so stop picking on the bloke..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Why can't the bloke just have an opinion? You are no more an expert than he is so stop picking on the bloke..... I'm not picking on him, I posted my mates view and he started slagging him off saying he knew nothing about football so I stuck up for him and pointed out his a professional football coach, he's obviously entitled to an opinion but don't start slagging other people's off then whinge about being bullied when called up on it. Read the full posts before jumping to conclusions fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Why is asking you what level of badge you've got when you claim to be a football coach, bullying? Fine, you've given an opinion, I've never seen him play apart from the champions league game so don't have one on him. It was you that went all billy big bo*llocks, saying my pal has no football knowledge and "I've played coached and watched football for 70 years" don't like it when questioned about it though do you, then whinge about bullying. My claim is that I have more knowledge on the performances of Victor Wanyama having watched him for most of last season than your so called mate who saw one game he played and doesn't seem to have a very clear memory of it. I also saw that game and the problems were throughout the team it was not all down to wanyama who , yes probably had his worst game of the season. Every proffessional player has nightmare games, even the likes of Messi etc. I repeat Wanyama is a very exciting prospect who would do well at St Marys , IMHO. End Of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Is 12 yellows in a season a sign of a disciplined and accurate tackler. Yes or no? I was responding to your comments re his passing ability. Haven't seen all 12 yellow cards ( i'm sure you have though, lol) so I can't comment on those eggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 My claim is that I have more knowledge on the performances of Victor Wanyama having watched him for most of last season than your so called mate who saw one game he played and doesn't seem to have a very clear memory of it. I also saw that game and the problems were throughout the team it was not all down to wanyama who , yes probably had his worst game of the season. Every proffessional player has nightmare games, even the likes of Messi etc. I repeat Wanyama is a very exciting prospect who would do well at St Marys , IMHO. End Of. I'm sure he is and as I said, I've only seem him play once myself so have no opinion. I'm glad you've enjoyed his performances and I hope if he does sign he lives up to his billing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Is 12 yellows in a season a sign of a disciplined and accurate tackler. Yes or no? Is 9 for Schneiderlin a sign he isn't an accurate tackler? You have to see it in context, how many of those yellows were last ditch saving another players skin, how many of those we ill-timed in the middle of the park and unnecessary? His tackle successrate would indicate he is an excellent tackler, the yellows don't say anything, for all we know he got them for diving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 I would suggest you find a mate with a lot better football knowledge , As someone who saw Wanyama play in most of his games last year including Champions league I will tell you and any one else interested that he is a fantastic prospect. He is a great offensive and defensive midfielder capable of scoring goals, especially from corners. He can also be a first class centre half , better than anything saints had in that position last year. I predict that if we manage to sign him he will take the PL by storm next year and within 2 to 3 years we will have a player worth at least twice his present value. IMO 12 million buys us one of the best prospects in world football and if we lose him over a few thousand to a agent or whatever we are being very shortsighted. Thanks Ivan, does Rob think the same way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 (edited) If he was any good the big boys would be after him. Were the "Big Boys" in for Michu? No but I bet they wish they were! Edited 7 July, 2013 by Stepgar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Get a room. I would like to get a room with the lady in your avatar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintadjg Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 From the little ive seen and the fact we have made a good offer(which would suggest our scouts have watched him very closely for a period of time).I think he is just what we are after .He's young ,a beast of a midfielder a little raw and rough around the edges by no means the finished article ala all of our targets . 12m seems like a bargain to me.Plus the thought of taking a big clubs star player fills me with excitement and hope of the bold new era SFC are in (and yes Celtic are a big club). Vic and Spider in midfield could be a colossal partnership,with a very good back up in Cork. He can only get better and increase his value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Opinions eh? Who'd have em? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobysaint Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Last season we were pondering what role Hammond and Chappers would play in the new Premier League adventure, while applauding the cheap signing of Davis. This close season we have been courting some of the most sought after players around in Damiao, possibly Osvaldo, Banega, Wanyama. If NC and MP deem £12 million a reasonable deal for Victor then they must have seen something in him and possibly more importantly, the chance to add value on to him. I fail to understand how "supporters" are underwhelmed or vaguely negative about the journey we are on. Several current players, managers and other pundits have applauded how we are going about our business on and off the pitch, yet the doom merchants and antagonists on this forum clearly know better. I love the ambition we are showing and my only concern is in convincing Damiao, etc that SFC is the place to be. I think the football club and the facilities and set up scream yes but the city in general hollers out no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Opinions eh? Who'd have em? Yep. Close the thread and pray we don't sign him or we'll have I told you so's all the way through until next May. Don't sign him and he goes somewhere else and is a success and we'll have I told you so's all season........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 I very much doubt it , Having Played , Coached and watched football for the best part of my nearly 70 years on this earth. Driving a coach is very different to being on the touchline. Anyway, you lot should listen to me, not your crackpot mates. I used to manage Man Utd until recently so think I know what I'm talking about. In my opinion, Wanyama may or may not be a success in the Premier League. Sent from my RM-821_eu_euro1_276 using Board Express Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 I was responding to your comments re his passing ability. Haven't seen all 12 yellow cards ( i'm sure you have though, lol) so I can't comment on those eggy. Diggy, if you bother to read what I've actually written I say I've seen him play a few times. Based on what I've seen he ain't a £12m player and not an upgrade on what we have. Is your opinion on him based on just what you've read on the Internet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyR Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Far too much point scoring going on between posters which makes the forum tedious in the extreme. Debate peoples views by all means but when you start nit picking and attempting to belittle other posters it annoys others and I have watched from afar as some really good posters have dissappeared from the forum. I think sometimes people need to go back through and re-read some of your own posts and evaluate its worth. All in my opinion obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
percy windham Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 So this Wanyama fella then, £12 million for the new Jhon Viafara by the sounds of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Far too much point scoring going on between posters which makes the forum tedious in the extreme. Debate peoples views by all means but when you start nit picking and attempting to belittle other posters it annoys others and I have watched from afar as some really good posters have dissappeared from the forum. I think sometimes people need to go back through and re-read some of your own posts and evaluate its worth. All in my opinion obviously Davey, you're right to an extent. What is dominating this thread is opinions about a player from people who have never seen the player or heard first hand reports. Ridiculous. If someone has no knowledge they can't express an opinion about the players ability, and shouldn't criticise the opinion of people who have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 So this Wanyama fella then, £12 million for the new Jhon Viafara by the sounds of it. Sounds about right and that is what concerns me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEVMAN Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Seriously will the last poster turn the lights out on this forum,it has now become a waste of space and pointless but good while it lasted:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Seriously will the last poster turn the lights out on this forum,it has now become a waste of space and pointless but good while it lasted:( Damn and blast you VMAN. Just logged in and saw your name as last poster on this thread and opened up it hoping for some ITK stuff !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Seriously will the last poster turn the lights out on this forum,it has now become a waste of space and pointless but good while it lasted:( Now look what you've done!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobysaint Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Most presumptuous on my part but the appearance of Vman may coincide with a forthcoming transfer. Shame there are a few village idiots who seem determined to spoil the forum. Maybe run a poll on who annoys the most and boot out the top 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Vman is the mothman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Davey, you're right to an extent. What is dominating this thread is opinions about a player from people who have never seen the player or heard first hand reports. Ridiculous. If someone has no knowledge they can't express an opinion about the players ability, and shouldn't criticise the opinion of people who have. Why are you assuming that most people have never seen him play? And how many times would you have needed to see him play before joining in with the 'elite' group of posters who's opinion we should be listening to? I've seen him a handful of times and he looks good, vey dominating in the middle and is different to anyone we have. People are just making the point that he will have been extensively scouted and analysed by Saints and they are clearly comfortable with the price and comfortable that he can pass and tackle which you've said he's not that great at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Why are you assuming that most people have never seen him play? And how many times would you have needed to see him play before joining in with the 'elite' group of posters who's opinion we should be listening to? I've seen him a handful of times and he looks good, vey dominating in the middle and is different to anyone we have. People are just making the point that he will have been extensively scouted and analysed by Saints and they are clearly comfortable with the price and comfortable that he can pass and tackle which you've said he's not that great at. Presumably the same scouting team that brought us lee, De Ridder, Mayuka and Forren, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Presumably the same scouting team that brought us lee, De Ridder, Mayuka and Forren, yes? Yep, but same ones that have brought us a load of good players as well. Always unknowns with transfers but I don't agree that he can't pass or tackle very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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egg Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Take a look pal, who is coming across as uppity? I have seen him play and don't agree that he can't pass or tackle very well which you've said regardless of who you are replying to. My view on the player will be the same whoever I reply to! I've said that I don't think anyone can give an opinion without seeing someone play, or having info from someone who has. I stand by that and that applies to any player. If you've seen him play then fine, have an opinion. We disagree so lets leave it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Really hope we can push this one through. Seen a fair bit of Wanyama and he is exactly what we need to compliment our other midfielders. Looks like this week it will all be decided either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 My view on the player will be the same whoever I reply to! I've said that I don't think anyone can give an opinion without seeing someone play, or having info from someone who has. I stand by that and that applies to any player. If you've seen him play then fine, have an opinion. We disagree so lets leave it there. My basic view (not that anyone on here gives a stuff) is that I trust the people that run our club and that have to spend millions of pounds on the right players more than the knob-jockey "characters" on this forum that know better. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4 Beta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 My basic view (not that anyone on here gives a stuff) is that I trust the people that run our club and that have to spend millions of pounds on the right players more than the knob-jockey "characters" on this forum that know better. Is that not a bit of a cop out? That you trust the club before you make any informed decision of your own? I mean, fair enough if you haven't seen him play; I haven't which is why I haven't contributed to this thread, so I'll judge him if and when I see him in a Saints shirt. But to make any kind of ruling based solely on the fact that we're after him seems a bit odd to me; "we're in for him so he must be good". Especially so as we've been somewhat hit and miss in the transfer department of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 My basic view (not that anyone on here gives a stuff) is that I trust the people that run our club and that have to spend millions of pounds on the right players more than the knob-jockey "characters" on this forum that know better. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4 Beta I think if you have no experience of a player then that's right. I dont think its right though to say that if the club deem a player good enough then he must be. If on the other hand you have experience of a player then its ok to share your view - essentially that's what this place is for. Where it goes wrong is when people without experience of a player argue the toss with people that have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Seriously will the last poster turn the lights out on this forum,it has now become a waste of space and pointless but good while it lasted:( Darn THEVMAN has logged in and he was scared off. Could've missed out on some positive news there. K,Billy, over to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 Is that not a bit of a cop out? That you trust the club before you make any informed decision of your own? I mean, fair enough if you haven't seen him play; I haven't which is why I haven't contributed to this thread, so I'll judge him if and when I see him in a Saints shirt. But to make any kind of ruling based solely on the fact that we're after him seems a bit odd to me; "we're in for him so he must be good". Especially so as we've been somewhat hit and miss in the transfer department of late. I think it's just admitting that in the vast majority of cases the people who do this for a living will know better. Doesn't mean they'll be right all the time, but they have a better ratio than any of us would. Have we really been hit and miss? Forren, Ramirez, Gazza and Mayuka haven't 'hit' to date but I wouldn't chalk them down as 'misses' quite yet, especially considering none were signed as short-term fixes. All the rest have been resounding successes if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 The longer this thread goes on the more I keep thinking I have accidentally gone onto the muppet show ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 July, 2013 Share Posted 7 July, 2013 I think it's just admitting that in the vast majority of cases the people who do this for a living will know better. Doesn't mean they'll be right all the time, but they have a better ratio than any of us would. Have we really been hit and miss? Forren, Ramirez, Gazza and Mayuka haven't 'hit' to date but I wouldn't chalk them down as 'misses' quite yet, especially considering none were signed as short-term fixes. All the rest have been resounding successes if you ask me. De Ridder? Lee? It has been hit and miss, but we're obviously not unique in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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