Victor Wanyama - Officially Signed

[trousers]

@GraemeBailey: Southampton and Cardiff City are ready to compete for the signature of Celtic star Victor Wanyama. http://t.co/E5TRje4RHT

[beavis17]

Would take our spending to £20m if true.

 

If we offered the same amount for Osvaldo then the chances are that we'll spend a lot more than the rumoured £30m.

[Colinjb]

Nixon certainly seems a bit more confident then Sky.

 

Hope he continues his purple patch when it comes to us.

[sfc4prem]

Cardiff? surely we can beat them off, despite their influx of wealth...?

[Batman]

 

Celtic fans chant wanyama's name after his goal against Barcelona

Edited 20 June, 2013 by Batman

[Batman]

And again. Guess they quite rate him up there and guess he able to mix it with the best in the world

 

[Lallana's Left Peg]

We must be sure of him wanting to join if we are going to all this trouble. If he is going to be guaranteed first team football, that is Cork out of the team unless we're going to play a different formation.

[Batman]

We must be sure of him wanting to join if we are going to all this trouble. If he is going to be guaranteed first team football' date=' that is Cork out of the team unless we're going to play a different formation.[/quote']

 

It's a squad game. They will all play

[Toadhall Saint]

And again. Guess they quite rate him up there and guess he able to mix it with the best in the world

 

 

I work with a Celtic fan - he travels back every weekend. And you're right they do. But as he said money talks and if we offer the amounts mentioned then they will sell.

[Saint Garrett]

Wouldn't be surprised to see all 3 of Morgan Wanyama and Cork playing in quite a lot of games, After all Davis played quite a bit under Pochettino.

[Batman]

I work with a Celtic fan - he travels back every weekend. And you're right they do. But as he said money talks and if we offer the amounts mentioned then they will sell.

 

One thing he will miss, is atmosphere like he got at park head. Incredible at times up there

[Turkish]

One thing he will miss, is atmosphere like he got at park head. Incredible at times up there

 

Nonesense he'll love the dancing dogs, the sea of giant foam hands and fancy dress. I'm looking forward to going as Maasai warriors to honour him.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

It's a squad game. They will all play

 

I would be very surprised to see all three start a game. Does not reflect the way Pochettino likes to play and Davis played further forward when Cork and Schneiderlin also started so if Wanyama took his place then at least one of them would need to be further forward which isn't a natural position for any of them. Plus if all three played that means Ramirez out on the wing (no thanks). Not saying by any stretch of the imagination that Cork won't get plenty of games but all things being equal I see him being replaced by Wanyama if he signs. Unless there is a formation change of course.

[Batman]

I would be very surprised to see all three start a game. Does not reflect the way Pochettino likes to play and Davis played further forward when Cork and Schneiderlin also started so if Wanyama took his place then at least one of them would need to be further forward which isn't a natural position for any of them. Plus if all three played that means Ramirez out on the wing (no thanks). Not saying by any stretch of the imagination that Cork won't get plenty of games but all things being equal I see him being replaced by Wanyama if he signs. Unless there is a formation change of course.

 

But he played cork Morgan and Davis a fair few times. Throw in loss of form, suspensions, injuries etc

[Crab Lungs]

I think our midfield is dynamic enough to have almost all of our central midfielders either player in defensive or attacking midfield positions

[Sour Mash]

But he played cork Morgan and Davis a fair few times. Throw in loss of form, suspensions, injuries etc

Davis was played in behind the striker. Who, out of those three, would you play in that position? Schneiderlin?

[Batman]

Davis was played in behind the striker. Who, out of those three, would you play in that position? Schneiderlin?

 

That is if we play like that all the time next season

 

All I saying is that I think wanyama would add quality to two very good CM

[Viking Warrior]

Celtic fans are deluded too much tenants lager

[Matthew Le God]

We could fill the seats in an expanded St Mary's with Thai schoolchildren!

 

[Colinjb]

Celtic fans are deluded too much buckfast

 

Corrected for you.

[Smirking_Saint]

Corrected for you.

 

Was drinking that the other day in NI.......

 

WOW

[Dig Dig]

Davis was played in behind the striker. Who, out of those three, would you play in that position? Schneiderlin?

 

Pochettino didn't change our formation from Adkins 4 2 3 1, I wouldn't be surprised to see a formation change after a full pre season.

[Sour Mash]

That is if we play like that all the time next season

 

All I saying is that I think wanyama would add quality to two very good CM

He would add quality, but it could well mean a lot less football for Jack Cork next season.

[Batman]

He would add quality, but it could well mean a lot less football for Jack Cork next season.

 

Cest la vie

[sfc4prem]

He would add quality, but it could well mean a lot less football for Jack Cork next season.

 

Progression.

[Sour Mash]

Progression.

I'm not suggesting it isn't, although I don't know enough about Wanyama to know if he's better than Cork. I'm just arguing against the suggestion that Cork, Wanyama and Schneiderlin would often all play at the same time.

[itchen_dan]

isn't The guy who broke the Stuart Pearce leaving story on twitter the other day? :-

 

MurrayGroves: Wanyama to #saintsfc is gaining ground. Just a case of Cortese getting permission to speak to the player. IMO Arsenal have lost interest.

Edited 20 June, 2013 by itchen_dan

[Saint Garrett]

I'm not suggesting it isn't, although I don't know enough about Wanyama to know if he's better than Cork. I'm just arguing against the suggestion that Cork, Wanyama and Schneiderlin would often all play at the same time.

 

I agree as I feel Morgan and Corks partnership is key for us. Not sure Wanyama would just come in and do Corks job seamlessly.

[Red And White Barmy Army]

A lot of who's in and out of the team comes down to the system (and player adaptability within it). Did we play 4-2-3-1 last year because MP thought we wouldn't have enough possession to gradually gain ground and get the CMs up the field? If so, we may do a Barca and go to 4-1-2-2-1 if we are better at ball retention (because of better players). 2 questions because my research is limited (sorry if already discussed) - 1) Did MP always play 4-2-3-1 at Espanyol or did he try to progress it to 4-1-2-2-1 at any point? and 2) How flexible is Wanyama - can he play #10 in the 4-2-3-1?

[pingwing]

Was drinking that the other day in NI.......

 

WOW

 

BUKKIE! National drink of 15 year old nordy irish kids who then be sick everywhere. It's amazing stuff, provided someone can carry you home afterwards, which in Belfast is probably needed anyway.

Edited 20 June, 2013 by pingwing

[shurlock]

Best highlight reel I've seen of him:

 

[patred44]

A lot of who's in and out of the team comes down to the system (and player adaptability within it). Did we play 4-2-3-1 last year because MP thought we wouldn't have enough possession to gradually gain ground and get the CMs up the field? If so, we may do a Barca and go to 4-1-2-2-1 if we are better at ball retention (because of better players). 2 questions because my research is limited (sorry if already discussed) - 1) Did MP always play 4-2-3-1 at Espanyol or did he try to progress it to 4-1-2-2-1 at any point? and 2) How flexible is Wanyama - can he play #10 in the 4-2-3-1?

 

have you all forgotten he also a centre back, and plays just as well in that position, so maybe we will use him as a partner for Loveren.

[SuperMikey]

 

This is how I would envisage the team with Wanyama in it.

 

Wanyama and Cork sitting deeper than in the picture, Schneiderlin just ahead of them. Jay and Adam playing slightly narrower to make sure that Rickie isn't isolated up top.

[austsaint]

Best highlight reel I've seen of him:

 

 

Great video that. He looks the mutt's nuts. A younger version of Michael Essien.

[jasonb]

Great video that. He looks the mutt's nuts. A younger version of Michael Essien.

 

Agreed. Victor looks like he would compliment Morgan very nicely. This guy looks like a top 4 player with his physical presence. I said earlier on in the thread I'd be amazed if Arsenal don't get him. He looks like an Arsenal player. Having said that it would be a proper show of intent to prize this guy away from the Celts. I have been reading their main forum a little bit following this story and a perception is emerging that we may be a stepping stone club for some of these unproven youngsters. I don't mind this idea at all. If we are genuinely trying to establish ourselves then these hungry kids can come and play for us no problem

[Pilchards]

Best highlight reel I've seen of him:

 

 

 

Jack Cork has scored better goals than that for us?

[itchen_dan]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2345496/Southampton-agree-10m-fee-Celtic-Victor-Wanyama-face-competition-Liverpool-Arsenal-Inter-Milan.html?ITO=socialnet-twitter-mailfootball&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=socialnet-twitter-mailfootball

[B Rabbit]

Was reading their main forum last night and some of their comments suggest they would be most unhappy if he were to join a club of 'our stature'. There are a few sensible ones on there that appreciate it's premiership football and we have an absolute fortune...but there are many on there that think Wanyama would walk into a top 4 teams midfield...should be going to AC Milan, Inter, Man City...etc...and that it's a step down coming to us...

 

Agree that Celtic are a huge club...their league is appalling though. Wanyama will be missing Champions League Football but will probably be earning 3 times as much here and playing top division. If he uses us as a stepping stone for a couple of years before moving to a genuine powerhouse then so be it..he's only 21 and value should only increase.

[sandwichsaint]

More of a 4-1-2-1-2 possibly? Derry's front sweeper!

 

Clyne - Lovren - Forren? - Shaw

 

--------- Wanyama -----------

 

----- MS ---- JC ------------

 

------- Gaston ---------------

 

----- J Rod ----- NEW/RL ------

 

 

Clyne and Shaw licence to thrill down the flanks.

 

Compact 3 at the back.

 

Is that really a possible Saints team I've just written down???

[Appy]

Any Premier League club is a step up from Celtic, Hooper is having his head turned by Hull which must annoy them too.

[itchen_dan]

More of a 4-1-2-1-2 possibly? Derry's front sweeper!

 

Clyne - Lovren - Forren? - Shaw

 

--------- Wanyama -----------

 

----- MS ---- JC ------------

 

------- Gaston ---------------

 

----- J Rod ----- NEW/RL ------

 

 

Clyne and Shaw licence to thrill down the flanks.

 

Compact 3 at the back.

 

Is that really a possible Saints team I've just written down???

 

A diamond then. We'll get torn apart down the flanks.

[tajjuk]

Was reading their main forum last night and some of their comments suggest they would be most unhappy if he were to join a club of 'our stature'. There are a few sensible ones on there that appreciate it's premiership football and we have an absolute fortune...but there are many on there that think Wanyama would walk into a top 4 teams midfield...should be going to AC Milan, Inter, Man City...etc...and that it's a step down coming to us...

 

Agree that Celtic are a huge club...their league is appalling though. Wanyama will be missing Champions League Football but will probably be earning 3 times as much here and playing top division. If he uses us as a stepping stone for a couple of years before moving to a genuine powerhouse then so be it..he's only 21 and value should only increase.

 

Milan and Inter whilst both massively bigger than us are not the clubs they were, Milan will have to qualify for the champions league next year and Inter finished down in 9th. Both are struggling financially so I doubt they are going to able to come up with £12 million odd unless they sell. Man City don't really need him, they have Toure and just signed Fernandinho.

 

It's Arsenal I would worry about, they have the cash, stature and gaping hole in their midfield for this sort of player.

 

Looking at the videos and a few assessments of Wanyama he looks quality but he doesn't seem to be a Cork type player, seems more like Morgan, more box to box. He gives us pace and power in the midfield which we don;t have, more threat in the air and he seems to have a decent long shot on him as well. People are comparing him to Toure and Viera, if he gets close to them we could have one hell of player. a couple of seasons with us and we could be selling him for £30+ million.

[saintbob40]

 

This is how I would envisage the team with Wanyama in it.

 

Wanyama and Cork sitting deeper than in the picture, Schneiderlin just ahead of them. Jay and Adam playing slightly narrower to make sure that Rickie isn't isolated up top.

 

Agreed, that looks a very strong team!

[Miltonaggro]

Any Premier League club is a step up from Celtic, Hooper is having his head turned by Hull which must annoy them too.

 

Spot on!

[Sour Mash]

Agreed, that looks a very strong team!

It's the only way I can see all three CMs fitting into one team is if Schneiderlin plays further forward, leading the high pressing game right at the top of the pitch. Still can't see all three playing often at the same time though.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Hearing offer is £10m with 10% sell on or £13m + Guly!

[eelpie]

I agree as I feel Morgan and Corks partnership is key for us. Not sure Wanyama would just come in and do Corks job seamlessly.

 

Let us also not forget that it was Cork's return to the team that coincided with a change in form last season.

 

All the players were jaded towards the end of the season. We shouldn't judge one player's form at that time too harshly. I think some are being a bit overcritical of Cork who played some outstanding games. His partnership with Schneiderlin is massive.

 

However with competition for places and hopefully more strength in depth all the players will get opportunities to be rested and that should ensure they last the pace of a heavy season. I feel that Wanyama could make a difference especially if he is as strong as people say. He could create a tougher central misfield against some of the more physical teams that we have previously wilted against.

[skintsaint]

or £13m + Guly!

 

Would be the better option for us.

 

Although I suspect you are just making this up

[Lets B Avenue]

Hearing offer is £10m with 10% sell on or £13m + Guly!

 

Still trying to work out why you bother.

[PercyR]

Would be the better option for us.

 

Although I suspect you are just making this up

 

That's assuming that he would be a £30m+ player in a couple of years time. I think he would only be worth that much if we gatecrashed the top 4 and, if we did, I very much doubt we would be looking to sell him so soon or that he would be looking to move on so I'd pay £10m with 10% sell on, but sell Guly anyway (to the highest bidder)...