LostBoys Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 It's amazing that you've managed to tell us everything we already know whilst claiming to be ITK. top work. Thanks for that erudite reply. I posted as there were a number of differing views on the position. I know nothing and have not made that claim if you read the post. My colleague is an ex Celtic player, remains close to the club and was involved on the player side in the Rangers liquidation and could have been CEO at Pompey (help!). May I politely suggest he knows a lot more than some of the journo hacks being reported and a lot more than you petal. I was made aware of the outline player terms but I would never post that sort of thing only to say it was nowhere near £100k per week. Many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 As with all these things a lot of this is speculation. As this is running and running, I spoke to a business contact who has dealings with Celtic and the business side of football. SFC dealt with Celtic and agreed the fee stated in the press. The player was informed by Celtic. SFC contacted the agents who forwarded the players terms which were accepted by SFC. SFC asked to meet the players and agents to agree the deal formally. At that point the agents demanded £1 million which SFC refused and tried to negotiate the fee to a more reasonable level. The agents refused and repeated their demands and since then no player. Cardiff also agreed the players terms and the £1m fee but condensed both of these items into a lower bid of £10m. Celtic refused the £10m bid and said they would have to match SFC which Cardiff refused. My colleagues view is that the agents are hoping (i) SFC agree their £1m or (ii) Cardiff stump up the £2m without renegotiating downwards the agents fee or (iii) another club comes in and agree all of the previous. He has seen most of Celtic's home games and some 'away' and his view is that Wanyama is a very promising player but not the finished article and not worth £12m. However after reminding me that the SPL is Championship standard at best and that players can look good at that level and then implode in the English leagues, he thinks that if Wanyama is given the SFC 'Ricky Lambert' training regime Wanyama could become a very good Prem player. My colleague also said but that it was only a rumour and was not related to Celtic, SFC tried to get Wanyama to appoint another agent to replace the jokers in South Africa. I think this is probably where we are with Wanyama. We could still get him if the no other club outbids us and the agents negotiate. Bit of a long shot perhaps and this leaves a bad taste in the mouth. I think we only want players who want to join us Wanyama may just be a chancer but of course everybody is entitled to get the best deal for himself but £1m to agents where SFC have actually 'done' the deal. That's interesting stuff. But how come Cardiff can agree terms with the player before agreeing terms with th club?? Not the first time this seems to have happened: didn't we do it with Gaston? Thought it constituted tapping up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 That's interesting stuff. But how come Cardiff can agree terms with the player before agreeing terms with th club?? Not the first time this seems to have happened: didn't we do it with Gaston? Thought it constituted tapping up? I may be wrong, and this may be an over simplification, but my understanding is that the club can not speak directly to the player, or make an offer to him via a third party (ie his agent), but there nothing to stop a club talking in broad terms, or hypothetically, about salary levels to his agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 As with all these things a lot of this is speculation. As this is running and running, I spoke to a business contact who has dealings with Celtic and the business side of football. SFC dealt with Celtic and agreed the fee stated in the press. The player was informed by Celtic. SFC contacted the agents who forwarded the players terms which were accepted by SFC. SFC asked to meet the players and agents to agree the deal formally. At that point the agents demanded £1 million which SFC refused and tried to negotiate the fee to a more reasonable level. The agents refused and repeated their demands and since then no player. Cardiff also agreed the players terms and the £1m fee but condensed both of these items into a lower bid of £10m. Celtic refused the £10m bid and said they would have to match SFC which Cardiff refused. My colleagues view is that the agents are hoping (i) SFC agree their £1m or (ii) Cardiff stump up the £2m without renegotiating downwards the agents fee or (iii) another club comes in and agree all of the previous. He has seen most of Celtic's home games and some 'away' and his view is that Wanyama is a very promising player but not the finished article and not worth £12m. However after reminding me that the SPL is Championship standard at best and that players can look good at that level and then implode in the English leagues, he thinks that if Wanyama is given the SFC 'Ricky Lambert' training regime Wanyama could become a very good Prem player. My colleague also said but that it was only a rumour and was not related to Celtic, SFC tried to get Wanyama to appoint another agent to replace the jokers in South Africa. I think this is probably where we are with Wanyama. We could still get him if the no other club outbids us and the agents negotiate. Bit of a long shot perhaps and this leaves a bad taste in the mouth. I think we only want players who want to join us Wanyama may just be a chancer but of course everybody is entitled to get the best deal for himself but £1m to agents where SFC have actually 'done' the deal. What happened to Arsenal and Man U then ? player is not worth 12 miilion £ and they obviously knew that. If I was Celtic I'd pay the jokers their million £ and ship him off to us for the £11 million remaining, window of opportunity will bang shut soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 window of opportunity will bang shut soon. I guess you're ITK being a window cleaner and all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 Just a prediction, but I can see Wanyama rocking up at Man Utd. Similar thing happened with Buttner transfer and I wonder whether the club have intimated to the agent that they will bid once Moyes is installed as manager. DM is position that needs strengthening for Man Utd, and with them bidding for Baines already I can't see Moyea raiding Everton once more due to politics involved. At £24m Fellaini's release clause is about double what they would pay for Wanyama, who has the advantage of being younger with higher sell-on value. Only a thought but the current limbo/impasse suggests Wanyama's agents are aware of bigger interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 Just a prediction, but I can see Wanyama rocking up at Man Utd. Similar thing happened with Buttner transfer and I wonder whether the club have intimated to the agent that they will bid once Moyes is installed as manager. DM is position that needs strengthening for Man Utd, and with them bidding for Baines already I can't see Moyea raiding Everton once more due to politics involved. At £24m Fellaini's release clause is about double what they would pay for Wanyama, who has the advantage of being younger with higher sell-on value. Only a thought but the current limbo/impasse suggests Wanyama's agents are aware of bigger interest. Isn't Moyes officially Everton manager until 1 July, reckon he might accept Man U's bid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/130628/echoes-di-canio-van-hooijdonk-and-cadete-wanyama-transfer-saga-200560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 29 June, 2013 Share Posted 29 June, 2013 Cardiff supposedly back in for him http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2351358/Cardiff-make-new-offer-Cetics-Victor-Wanyama.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 29 June, 2013 Share Posted 29 June, 2013 I may be wrong, and this may be an over simplification, but my understanding is that the club can not speak directly to the player, or make an offer to him via a third party (ie his agent), but there nothing to stop a club talking in broad terms, or hypothetically, about salary levels to his agent. If you contact the club first and they give you permission then you can contact the agents. I do not see any reason why Celtic would not have done this for Cardiff as well as SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 29 June, 2013 Share Posted 29 June, 2013 If you contact the club first and they give you permission then you can contact the agents. I do not see any reason why Celtic would not have done this for Cardiff as well as SFC. Initially Celtic did not give Cardiff permission, because Cardiff did not match Celtic's valuation. They will have had to up their offer, or as the article says change the payment options (presumably more up front). Unless Celtic accept the offer then Cardiff cannot speak with the player. I think we have moved on from this player, his agents are ****s, if he rocks up at Cardiff I think they will be getting what they deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 June, 2013 Share Posted 29 June, 2013 He will probably join Cardiff I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 so with the Cardiff bid and the possible sacking of agents, surely to goodness, this thread needs to be reignited!!!!! Then we can shut it down again when he joins Cardiff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 Only thing with Cardiff is will they go for Victor and Thomas??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 (edited) Why would he sack his agents if both he and his agents are happy with what Cardiff are offering them as has been reported? Can't see a point in sacking them if he really wants to join Cardiff. My guess is he may feel the agents and their demands are whats stopping bigger clubs from showing interest. Only thing with Cardiff is will they go for Victor and Thomas??? They will probably have both, looks like their owners are willing to spend an amount that ****es over what we spent last season to stay up. They are reportedly trying to sign Cardozo too, though I question the wisdom of spending 15m on a 30 year old. Edited 1 July, 2013 by MOSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakovnetski Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 Cardiff's offer doesn't match Celtic's valuation though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 1 July, 2013 Share Posted 1 July, 2013 According to the agents we made our bid (now) some three weeks ago. It took two weeks to get out that the Agents and (maybe) Wanyama were not having it. The agents did'nt say "we been negotiating for two weeks to no avail", they basically said fees and wages rejected two weeks ago then not heard a thing. Celtic just confirmed they accepted a bid and allowed us access. That sounds wrong to me. Once NC told them what he would pay and they told him what they want do you not think there would have been a bit of haggling? We are just being fed BS - certainly by the agents. From what ive heard i think NC is pretty decisive with this kind of thing. Id say its a dead situation unless the agents change. Says to me that in all likelihood we have deals lined up on the QT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/celtic/dad-is-the-word-as-wanyama-future-call-approaches-for-celtic-129196n.21495699 The Kenyan ace is at the centre of a £12million tug of war between Cardiff City and Southampton with other interested parties monitoring proceedings. Wanyama is due to meet up with Celtic's pre-season training camp in Germany on Friday, if a deal to sell him hasn't been agreed. And his dad, Noah Wanyama – whose other son McDonald Mariga stars for Inter Milan – has revealed he expects Victor's future to be decided one way or the other this week. Wanyama senior said: "My son will make a sober decision. Be patient, he will make a decision in the coming days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Sounds like we have moved on anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Didn't realise he was the bro of mariga Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Agree with Charlie. Think the agent killed this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 I just have a gut feeling he will join! In all of this saints have stayed totally silent which gives me hope! also, we know for certain that a bid of £12m was accepted. Think player will decide for the good of his career and he seems level headed if his Father's comments are anything to go by! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 I just have a gut feeling he will join! In all of this saints have stayed totally silent which gives me hope! also, we know for certain that a bid of £12m was accepted. Think player will decide for the good of his career and he seems level headed if his Father's comments are anything to go by! His father suggests good 'ol Vic has been on the **** up during his "holiday", can't do anything for his fitness can it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 His agent fee was the sticking point with saints. He has now sacked his agent. Makes it easier to join saints all, apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 One of the SWF ITK posters posted on page 23 that deal was dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 One of the SWF ITK posters posted on page 23 that deal was dead. oh, I was away on page 23 day!! Oh well, onto the next one if it has been dismissed on here!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Been told the deal is now dead - mods please lock thread. One of the SWF ITK posters posted on page 23 that deal was dead. oh, I was away on page 23 day!! Oh well, onto the next one if it has been dismissed on here!! Ignore him, he was bigging himself up again, trying to give himself another tick to his, somewhat dubious, ITK credentials. Glasgow if you keep this up I'm going to have to consult with the Bear about your rep points!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 (edited) Ignore him, he was bigging himself up again, trying to give himself another tick to his, somewhat dubious, ITK credentials. Glasgow if you keep this up I'm going to have to consult with the Bear about your rep points!!! Bear works for me!! P.s Everton have now joined the race!!! Backup >> http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-transfer-news-victor-wanyama-2034347 Edited 6 July, 2013 by Glasgow_Saint Mirror link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 http://www.givemesport.com/356709-victor-wanyamas-father-calls-for-patience?tg=/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 http://www.givemesport.com/356709-victor-wanyamas-father-calls-for-patience?tg=/ Written by Saint Armstrong. Well written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 "The first Kenyan player to play in the top flight." MLG to the main forum, MLG to the forum. Bring your Mayuka stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 "The first Kenyan player to play in the top flight." MLG to the main forum, MLG to the forum. Bring your Mayuka stats. Mayuka is Zambian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 "The first Kenyan player to play in the top flight." MLG to the main forum, MLG to the forum. Bring your Mayuka stats. MLG just pm'd me with the word "Zambian" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Mayuka is Zambian Well done, you were the first to spot the deliberate mistake. +5 rep points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 Well done, you were the first to spot the deliberate mistake. +5 rep points. My mission in life is fulfilled!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 2 July, 2013 Share Posted 2 July, 2013 I doff my cap to SA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 One of the SWF ITK posters posted on page 23 that deal was dead. ..that's because his agents wanted a bigger cut of the fee than he was going to get ......those sort of greedy barstewards are very good at sabotaging deals. Can't believe anyone would really want to willingly choose Cardiff ahead of Saints - except maybe a Welshman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 ..that's because his agents wanted a bigger cut of the fee than he was going to get ......those sort of greedy barstewards are very good at sabotaging deals. Can't believe anyone would really want to willingly choose Cardiff ahead of Saints - except maybe a Welshman. Bit harsh! Imho Cardiff are on scale or bigger than Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Bit harsh! Imho Cardiff are on scale or bigger than Saints Ah, but how big is their Catchment area with Swansea just up the road? And do they plan to build a Star Wars Crawler thingy at their Stadium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Written by Saint Armstrong. Well written. hang on a minute, isnt this a factually incorrect and illinfromed piece written by a lazy, lying scumbag journo??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 hang on a minute, isnt this a factually incorrect and illinfromed piece written by a lazy, lying scumbag journo??? Do you have a macro for this? Would save you the hassle of typing it out every time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 hang on a minute, isnt this a factually incorrect and illinfromed piece written by a lazy, lying scumbag journo??? lol, made my day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Bit harsh! Imho Cardiff are on scale or bigger than Saints Honest question. Based on what? Their long standing history in the top flight? Their huge stadium? There glorious cup history? I may have missed something (genuinely) but although ours is hardly anything to write home about I'd still say it's a proportionally bigger than their's in every sense of the word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Honest question. Based on what? Their long standing history in the top flight? Their huge stadium? There glorious cup history? I may have missed something (genuinely) but although ours is hardly anything to write home about I'd still say it's a proportionally bigger than their's in every sense of the word. Now they are in the prem they will find an extra 10-15k fans just like we did, they are already expanding the stadium capacity and catchment wise they have huge potential. Maybe close, but think they are slightly more attractive than us and by all accounts now have the £'s to match ambition (like us) will be interesting to see who comes out on top (over next few years) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK8267 Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Probably total cr!p but its a slow start to the day... rumors doing the rounds on twitter that wanyama is staying in the Hilton in Chilworth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerceSaint28 Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 I genuinely would struggle to comprehend Wanyama choosing Cardiff ahead of Saints...going to a newly promoted club is always a big risk (with the exception of Monaco) first and foremost... Secondly Glasgow there is no way Cardiff are as big or bigger than Saints...and that's not with my Saints hat on either...Saints have more history, consistently higher attendences and our owners are just as if not richer than Cardiff's... Purely and simply it would be for financial reasons if Wanyaman chose Cardiff...fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 I genuinely would struggle to comprehend Wanyama choosing Cardiff ahead of Saints...going to a newly promoted club is always a big risk (with the exception of Monaco) first and foremost... Secondly Glasgow there is no way Cardiff are as big or bigger than Saints...and that's not with my Saints hat on either...Saints have more history, consistently higher attendences and our owners are just as if not richer than Cardiff's... Purely and simply it would be for financial reasons if Wanyaman chose Cardiff...fact Its financial reasons most players choose clubs, especially those outside of Europe. If he goes to Cardiff its because they have offered him the most, if he comes here its because we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Now they are in the prem they will find an extra 10-15k fans just like we did, they are already expanding the stadium capacity and catchment wise they have huge potential. Maybe close, but think they are slightly more attractive than us and by all accounts now have the £'s to match ambition (like us) will be interesting to see who comes out on top (over next few years) Think we have to agree to disagree on this one. I agree there is little in it but I don't think geographically they are an as attractive prospect, the expansion still only takes stadium capacity to 26k and I would say based on history and the yo yo nature of teams coming up from the NPC we still hold over Cardiff in terms of propects for signings. All other aspects are pretty similar with club and stadium size. That said something doesn't appear to be all present and correct as we've not yet signed any of our supposed big name targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 Probably total cr!p but its a slow start to the day... rumors doing the rounds on twitter that wanyama is staying in the Hilton in Chilworth. I haven't seen any, mucker. Got a couple of links? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 July, 2013 Share Posted 3 July, 2013 He is probably still in Kenya. Or in the Hilton, Cardiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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