Victor Wanyama - Officially Signed

[Crab Lungs]

if we dont like greedy agents. we wont progress no where near the level cortese wants us to

 

As much as I admire Cortese's principles, one man in a huge, greedy, self-absorbed world of football will not make a change. Too many pig snouts in the trough...

[Matthew Le God]

Neil Lennon confirms the acceptance of a Southampton bid for Wanyama and he says "Southampton, a very good, progressive club. Personally, I think it'd be a very good move for Victor, in terms of his career going forward."....

 

Celtic Football Club ‏@celticfc 14m

Neil Lennon speaking to media on Victor Wanyama situation: "Lot of talk. We accepted a bid from Southampton, done nothing wrong."

 

Celtic Football Club ‏@celticfc 14m

NL: "Ball firmly in his representatives court. Unhappy, as we dealt with it as professionally as possible."

 

Celtic Football Club ‏@celticfc 14m

NL: "All we did was accept a bid from Southampton, a very good, progressive club."

 

Celtic Football Club ‏@celticfc 14m

NL: "But there seems to be other parties wanting to block the deal."

 

Celtic Football Club ‏@celticfc 13m

NL: "We felt the money was right for us, a good business deal for the club. Whether it resurfaces again, I don't know."

 

Celtic Football Club ‏@celticfc 13m

NL: "The fact we accepted a bid tells you we felt it matched our valuation of the player. Don't know where we are with it at minute."

 

Video of the interview...

 

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/celtic/230909-neil-lennon-im-resigned-to-victor-wanyama-leaving-celtic-this-summer/

Edited 26 June, 2013 by Matthew Le God

[RobM]

if we dont like greedy agents. we wont progress no where near the level cortese wants us to

 

Sadly you're right, but equally and perhaps more importantly, if everyone takes that attitude and accepts it as the norm, football will suffer greatly as a result. If agents can demand £500k comfortably, they'll ask for £1m. When that becomes the norm, they'll ask for £2m...

[Webby]

Don't bite the hand that feeds.

[Batman]

Sadly you're right, but equally and perhaps more importantly, if everyone takes that attitude and accepts it as the norm, football will suffer greatly as a result. If agents can demand £500k comfortably, they'll ask for £1m. When that becomes the norm, they'll ask for £2m...

 

it is the norm

[Dig Dig]

it is the norm

 

Clearly there are deals to be done which involve reasonable agents who represent their clients well. The media seem to think the agent demands in this case are wholely unreasonable so I wouldn't say that this is particularly normal.

[ToreSF]

Think I read somewhere that the usual deal for agents is 5% of the transfer fee.

[SNSUN]

Having been out the loop a while and reading about this potential transfer, from what I gather it's broken down currently because the agent of Wanyama wants £1 million quid. I know we don't bow down easily to agents, as per the other agent thread, but would we really throw away the transfer of a player we undoubtedly want over £1million?

[Lazlo78]

Clearly there are deals to be done which involve reasonable agents who represent their clients well. The media seem to think the agent demands in this case are wholely unreasonable so I wouldn't say that this is particularly normal.

 

Exactly. And while I personally think Wanyama would be a good player for us, he is not crucial for our club. We have a good squad and there are hundreds of other interesting players... Let's hope his agent gets real and Vic gets on board...

[Pedro]

I assume the whole saga depends on whether the agent gets a watch or just the player.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

I don't think this is dead by any means, but I think it will have a way to run. It is pretty clear Wanyama wants to leave and in order to do so Celtic must receive a bid of £12m with payment terms they accept and Wanyama's wage requirements must be met AND his agents will want £12m+.

 

Interestingly, since the Saints stuff came out it is only Cardiff who have subsequently been linked and reports suggest they can't even agree a fee with Celtic.

 

No-one else has reportedly swooped in so Wanyama is a little stuck at the moment and may be ask exactly what his agents are doing for him if he has to turn up to pre-season training in Glasgow in a few weeks...

[Lallana's Left Peg]

I don't think this is dead by any means, but I think it will have a way to run. It is pretty clear Wanyama wants to leave and in order to do so Celtic must receive a bid of £12m with payment terms they accept and Wanyama's wage requirements must be met AND his agents will want £12m+.

 

Interestingly, since the Saints stuff came out it is only Cardiff who have subsequently been linked and reports suggest they can't even agree a fee with Celtic.

 

No-one else has reportedly swooped in so Wanyama is a little stuck at the moment and may be ask exactly what his agents are doing for him if he has to turn up to pre-season training in Glasgow in a few weeks...

 

And his agents want £1m+ that should read!

[irene]

Pre season is already under way for celtic

[goneawol]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2349276/Wanyamas-agents-petty-says-angry-Celtic-boss-Lennon.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

[Pilchards]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2349276/Wanyamas-agents-petty-says-angry-Celtic-boss-Lennon.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

 

 

Lennon speaks so well of us.

Good bloke.

[thorpie the sinner]

Not sure Ivan thinks the same though, this is looking deader than a dead thing!

[St.Patrik]

The agent has really made a bad job here and now all of a sudden people think the player is greedy and some kind of joke. They player has like Lennon said done nothing wrong but he should really change his agent asap.

[Pilchards]

Why can't Celtic give the agent 75% of the fee if we have bid 2 million more than Cardiff, while Saints pay the rest of the agent fee?

 

Knowing Cortese he would of moved on already or give Celtic a deadline to do such a deal?

[Suomi Saint]

Ivan the Terrible sounds like a guy who would not back down in order to save face. Cortese is probably the same, although, in this instance, he has done nothing wrong and shouldn't budge. Basically, Wanyama will go to Cardiff if there are no other offers for him. I'm not sure how Wanyama and his agents know that Cardiff will pay the 1M+ 'commission' for doing naff all - if Cardiff have already spoken to them aren't they guilty of tapping the player up? I'm not going to read this thread any longer - this saga has become very boring now. Credit to Lennon, though, his comments are very mature and balanced.

[Barry the Badger]

Lennon speaks so well of us.

Good bloke.

 

Really? I think he's a ****.

[thorpie the sinner]

The agent can't be paid by both parties or something like that! Celtic just accept the bid! Still hoping Cortese pulls out a Benega out of thin air, Wanyama is dead! More likely, Cardiff will bite the bullet and match the asking price!

[wild-saint]

Why can't Celtic give the agent 75% of the fee if we have bid 2 million more than Cardiff, while Saints pay the rest of the agent fee?

 

Knowing Cortese he would of moved on already or give Celtic a deadline to do such a deal?

 

 

this is exactly celtic havent accepted 10m and wont do as it makes more financial sense for celtic to pay the million themselves and take the 12m on offer from saints

[CB Fry]

this is exactly celtic havent accepted 10m and wont do as it makes more financial sense for celtic to pay the million themselves and take the 12m on offer from saints

 

 

Why oh why oh why doesn't everyone else capitulate so Saints get their way. Life is so unfair.

[saintbob40]

Three way poker....first one to blink.

[thorpie the sinner]

Three way poker....first one to blink.

 

It won't be Cortese thats for sure!

[NickG]

Why oh why oh why doesn't everyone else capitulate so Saints get their way. Life is so unfair.

 

Wondering whether wages / agents fees are so out of normal that only someone like Redknap would pay.

 

I dont have opinion on his ability as not watched him but seems big fee already for a DM. I know we can always improve & squad game but can we justify huge fee and wages when we have MS and JC?

 

Guess we have a limit - and for such a sought after player, no other club has matched our bid, have they all capitulated already?

 

I like thought that core of our young players are here for the long-term. If this guy signs you get the impression his agent will seek another fee in 12 months.

 

Honestly not fussed about him now. If I had seen him play games maybe would not have such a negative impression.

[St_Tel49]

Ivan the Terrible sounds like a guy who would not back down in order to save face. Cortese is probably the same, although, in this instance, he has done nothing wrong and shouldn't budge. Basically, Wanyama will go to Cardiff if there are no other offers for him. I'm not sure how Wanyama and his agents know that Cardiff will pay the 1M+ 'commission' for doing naff all - if Cardiff have already spoken to them aren't they guilty of tapping the player up? I'm not going to read this thread any longer - this saga has become very boring now. Credit to Lennon, though, his comments are very mature and balanced.

 

He won't go to Cardiff unless they pay £12m. That reduces the leeway for agent kickback. Why should Celtic do anything to facilitate the move to Cardiff. They are happy to keep the player

Edited 27 June, 2013 by St_Tel49
missing m - kind of crucial

[Bucks Saint]

He won't go to Cardiff unless they pay £12m. That reduces the leeway for agent kickback. Why should Celtic do anything to facilitate the move to Cardiff. They are happy to keep the player

 

You are right to say that Celtic would, in an ideal world, keep him, but they need the cash. They have spent a bit already, want to make more signings and want to give Gary Hooper a better contract (as they absolutely want to keep Hooper) but they are fairly skint unless the Wanyama deal goes through. I am not saying they will roll over on a reduced price to Cardiff but I dont see them keeping him either

[LostBoys]

As with all these things a lot of this is speculation. As this is running and running, I spoke to a business contact who has dealings with Celtic and the business side of football.

 

SFC dealt with Celtic and agreed the fee stated in the press. The player was informed by Celtic. SFC contacted the agents who forwarded the players terms which were accepted by SFC. SFC asked to meet the players and agents to agree the deal formally. At that point the agents demanded £1 million which SFC refused and tried to negotiate the fee to a more reasonable level. The agents refused and repeated their demands and since then no player.

 

Cardiff also agreed the players terms and the £1m fee but condensed both of these items into a lower bid of £10m. Celtic refused the £10m bid and said they would have to match SFC which Cardiff refused.

 

My colleagues view is that the agents are hoping (i) SFC agree their £1m or (ii) Cardiff stump up the £2m without renegotiating downwards the agents fee or (iii) another club comes in and agree all of the previous.

 

He has seen most of Celtic's home games and some 'away' and his view is that Wanyama is a very promising player but not the finished article and not worth £12m. However after reminding me that the SPL is Championship standard at best and that players can look good at that level and then implode in the English leagues, he thinks that if Wanyama is given the SFC 'Ricky Lambert' training regime Wanyama could become a very good Prem player.

 

My colleague also said but that it was only a rumour and was not related to Celtic, SFC tried to get Wanyama to appoint another agent to replace the jokers in South Africa.

 

I think this is probably where we are with Wanyama. We could still get him if the no other club outbids us and the agents negotiate. Bit of a long shot perhaps and this leaves a bad taste in the mouth. I think we only want players who want to join us Wanyama may just be a chancer but of course everybody is entitled to get the best deal for himself but £1m to agents where SFC have actually 'done' the deal.

[pingwing]

Wondering whether wages / agents fees are so out of normal that only someone like Redknap would pay.

 

Oddly there's another article out this morning with his agent stating Celtic turned down a "very good offer" from QPR last season (I assume at Christmas).

 

Either way this is hilarious the agent thinks he can get the millions of quid throwing the story about in the paper like this, starting to look more and more foolish.

[Sour Mash]

He won't go to Cardiff unless they pay £12m. That reduces the leeway for agent kickback. Why should Celtic do anything to facilitate the move to Cardiff. They are happy to keep the player

I think Celtic do want to sell to be honest that is quite clear, they want to cash in on him. One of the four parties will have to give in at some point over the next few weeks.

[Toomer]

Having been out the loop a while and reading about this potential transfer, from what I gather it's broken down currently because the agent of Wanyama wants £1 million quid. I know we don't bow down easily to agents, as per the other agent thread, but would we really throw away the transfer of a player we undoubtedly want over £1million?

I have been told that Wanyama thinks he is worth £100k a week in wages.

[Turkish]

I have been told that Wanyama thinks he is worth £100k a week in wages.

 

Is that what he thinks or what his agent thinks he can get?

[trousers]

SFC contacted the agents who forwarded the players terms which were accepted by SFC.

 

So, the agents have lied to the media in that case as they cited Wanyama's terms as one of the reasons for the stalemate.

 

Cheers for posting the insights.

[Webby]

I'd rather we didn't complete this deal now. All of this leaves a bit of a bad taste in the mouth. He ain't worth 100k a week, but obviously his agent thinks he is. He needs to get real. It's not as if Chelsea and arsenal are battling for his signature ffs.

 

Btw, posting a quick reply these last few days has taken ages; 10s instead of 2s.

[ToreSF]

The only way this deal will be signed is if Wanyamas agents accepts a lower cut. And I don't think they will.

[buctootim]

The only way this deal will be signed is if Wanyamas agents accepts a lower cut. And I don't think they will.

 

Agents make money by moving players on. Better a reduced fee than no fee if he stays.

[Sour Mash]

I have been told that Wanyama thinks he is worth £100k a week in wages.

He won't be on anywhere near £100k at either us or Cardiff. More chance of us paying his agent £1m +.

[VectisSaint]

I think Celtic do want to sell to be honest that is quite clear, they want to cash in on him. One of the four parties will have to give in at some point over the next few weeks.

Can't see Saints or Cardiff giving in, and unlikely Celtic would reduce their asking price. Only way now that Vic will leave Celtic is if another club comes in with the asking price and accepts the agent fees. The kid could have scuppered his move unwittingly by having such crackpot advisors.

[sotonjoe]

As with all these things a lot of this is speculation. As this is running and running, I spoke to a business contact who has dealings with Celtic and the business side of football.

 

SFC dealt with Celtic and agreed the fee stated in the press. The player was informed by Celtic. SFC contacted the agents who forwarded the players terms which were accepted by SFC. SFC asked to meet the players and agents to agree the deal formally. At that point the agents demanded £1 million which SFC refused and tried to negotiate the fee to a more reasonable level. The agents refused and repeated their demands and since then no player.

 

Cardiff also agreed the players terms and the £1m fee but condensed both of these items into a lower bid of £10m. Celtic refused the £10m bid and said they would have to match SFC which Cardiff refused.

 

My colleagues view is that the agents are hoping (i) SFC agree their £1m or (ii) Cardiff stump up the £2m without renegotiating downwards the agents fee or (iii) another club comes in and agree all of the previous.

 

He has seen most of Celtic's home games and some 'away' and his view is that Wanyama is a very promising player but not the finished article and not worth £12m. However after reminding me that the SPL is Championship standard at best and that players can look good at that level and then implode in the English leagues, he thinks that if Wanyama is given the SFC 'Ricky Lambert' training regime Wanyama could become a very good Prem player.

 

My colleague also said but that it was only a rumour and was not related to Celtic, SFC tried to get Wanyama to appoint another agent to replace the jokers in South Africa.

 

I think this is probably where we are with Wanyama. We could still get him if the no other club outbids us and the agents negotiate. Bit of a long shot perhaps and this leaves a bad taste in the mouth. I think we only want players who want to join us Wanyama may just be a chancer but of course everybody is entitled to get the best deal for himself but £1m to agents where SFC have actually 'done' the deal.

 

It's amazing that you've managed to tell us everything we already know whilst claiming to be ITK. top work.

[Saint Charlie]

It's amazing that you've managed to tell us everything we already know whilst claiming to be ITK. top work.

 

More than you have provided us with pal. Although you are trying very hard to be the forum hardman. Bless.

[tajjuk]

There is nothing to suggest that the player himself doesn't want to join us, it all seems to be the over the top agent fees. The kid is just putting too much faith in the agent that's all.

[dubai_phil]

Let's face it, we all know that there is no way that NC will "cave in" to an agents demands, ESPECIALLY as they are now in the public domain. Not because we are ITK, but it is simply that over the next 3, 4 or 5 years we will want to sign other players from other clubs. Giving in to these demands now will send a message on all future deals that we can be messed around.

[Grim Reaper]

Wayama deal could be back on ?????????????????

 

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/daily-record-transfer-talk-thursday-2002814

[Lazlo78]

Cardiff just spent £7M on this guy:

 

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/8795193/Cardiff-poised-to-sign-striker-Andreas-Cornelius-from-FC-Copenhagen

[Saint Charlie]

Cardiff just spent £7M on this guy:

 

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/8795193/Cardiff-poised-to-sign-striker-Andreas-Cornelius-from-FC-Copenhagen

 

Big striker, also been linked with Stoke. Shows they have money and aren't afraid to splash it.

[pingwing]

Wayama deal could be back on ?????????????????

 

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/daily-record-transfer-talk-thursday-2002814

 

This one is going round in the agent sort it out and stop being a greedy **** circle. Other clubs aren't going to pay what we offered because of the agent, Celtic wont accept any other offer because of the agent (when our offer is good enough), the player will eventually move because he will bypass/sort out the agent, if he doesn't he'll sack the agent either way because it's just not reasonable for his career.

 

If more clubs behaved like us and Celtic agents wouldn't have this sort of power or money.

[kpturner]

Will this become as tedious as the Ramirez thread?

[Big Bad Bob]

This has become as tedious as the Ramirez thread?

 

Corrected for you

[Window Cleaner]

This one is going round in the agent sort it out and stop being a greedy **** circle. Other clubs aren't going to pay what we offered because of the agent, Celtic wont accept any other offer because of the agent (when our offer is good enough), the player will eventually move because he will bypass/sort out the agent, if he doesn't he'll sack the agent either way because it's just not reasonable for his career.

 

If more clubs behaved like us and Celtic agents wouldn't have this sort of power or money.

 

the agent has Wanyama by the balls because he no doubt signed a contract giving them 10% of any transfer fee. Celtic won't pay it, neither will the player so unless someone else does the deal won't happen for a while until Celtic decide to pay it out of their transfer fee. A contract is a contract and can be legally enforced ever if it is totally unreasonable..