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Morgan has one good season and is now "one of the best in the prem"

 

Wanyama has one good season and "still has alot to prove"

 

because Morgan is in the Prem, a real league full of class players. Wanyama plays for Celtic against St Mirren and ICT.

Do you actually go to football in Scotland Glasgie, apart from Old Firm games I mean. Have you ever watched Ross County? It's the Clump Inn FC with better kit.

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well if he isn't on £65k a week then someone is lying. Either the media or whoever told the media. The Italian paper stated that was the figure, not a rumoured or suggested amount and also confirmed it was NET as well. Pretty detailed if it was merely speculation.

 

 

No they didn't, it's written quite cleverly as it looks like that is what Gaston has said, plus they are allowed to speculate on story as long as it isn't libellous and they don't have to state that or word it like believed to be or rumoured to be.

 

That's newspaper reports, they hardly ever just report on the cold hard facts, they spice the stories up to make them interesting where they can.

 

He may well be on 65k a week, as I said I don't know. But he didn't say that he was, an Italian Newspaper suggested he was. As I said I think it's telling that several British Newspapers choose not to include that figure in their own versions of the story.

 

So if people on here are saying we don't have a player on over 50k a week they may well be telling the truth, not that I have any idea how they would know that. I would presume only some accountants, Gaston, his agent and Cortese probably know the true figure. All I know is you can't dismiss their claims by saying Gaston said he was on that amount as he clearly didn't.

 

I've been banging on about it not being a direct quote for a while now but you've articulated better than I ever have. :)

 

Fair play for spotting it, I've looked at that article several times and took it as a Gaston quote. It's only now after you have pointed it out that it looks wrong, obviously the brackets but also how it is worded and the fact that a footballer would openly discuss a contract offer. From subsequent interviews with Gaston I don't think he is stupid enough to say that and it wouldn't go down too well with the fans either.

 

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I would say no: it is the classic offer you can not refuse. I have 4 years of the contract to important figures. They give me so much money that I put in my life and the whole family

 

Makes a lot more sense.

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we've done the figures before and i linked the tax calculator above, the figure is £65-£70k a week gross, so you're right. Cant be arsed to keep repeating it.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/expat-money/7465517/Non-dom-status-do-you-qualify.html

 

I think you need to revise your estimate of ramirez's gross income based on the fact he may enjoy non-dom status and may be exploiting various available tax efficiency strategies- all speculation off course. Given Cortese's background he will have good knowledge of the tax system and how to manage tax. I have often wondered whether Cortese's skills here might be a factor in enabling us to compete with bigger clubs on wages.

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I was wondering how a thread about a player we have not signed could run to twenty pages. Then I saw it was just the usual suspects trolling each other. Honestly, guys, get a room and let the rest of us stay on topic.

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so we've established that on this occasion, because it doesnt suit 'the Southampton way' of a player not being here for the money, depsite him saying he was being offered a fortune, the paper where he gave this very interview is lying and has made up his wages. Good stuff.

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so we've established that on this occasion, because it doesnt suit 'the Southampton way' of a player not being here for the money, depsite him saying he was being offered a fortune, the paper where he gave this very interview is lying and has made up his wages. Good stuff.

 

No, "we" haven't "established" anything. It's inconclusive. That's the point.

 

Anyway, with apologies to itchen (and everyone else), suggest we get back on topic...

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because Morgan is in the Prem, a real league full of class players. Wanyama plays for Celtic against St Mirren and ICT.

Do you actually go to football in Scotland Glasgie, apart from Old Firm games I mean. Have you ever watched Ross County? It's the Clump Inn FC with better kit.

 

When we were in L1 i had no doubt Rickie, Adam, Morgan ect could do a job in the prem. you dont need to play in the prem to prove you're a class act

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well if he isn't on £65k a week then someone is lying. Either the media or whoever told the media. The Italian paper stated that was the figure, not a rumoured or suggested amount and also confirmed it was NET as well. Pretty detailed if it was merely speculation.

 

86% of people worldwide lie about their wage when asked.

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Back to Wanyama....Matey on Talksport saying its tax reasons why a player doesn't pay the agent fees in football transfers. Some sort of 'double whammy' tax situation. Haven't been following it closely so not sure what the ins and outs of that are.

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When we were in L1 i had no doubt Rickie, Adam, Morgan ect could do a job in the prem. you dont need to play in the prem to prove you're a class act

 

so that's a no to the question about Ross County then.:rolleyes: Went there last year cos I had to hang about up that way for a few days...terrrrrrrrrrible.

 

NB the jury is still out on Lallana I believe.

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Apologies Itchen.

 

 

so we've established that on this occasion, because it doesnt suit 'the Southampton way' of a player not being here for the money, depsite him

saying he was being offered a fortune, the paper where he gave this very interview is lying and has made up his wages. Good stuff.

 

 

No one said that.

 

Stop being so obtuse.

 

Gaston certainly came here because we gave him a very good financial offer, that much is clear. I don't think that is the only reason and his other comments would support that.

 

What is not clear is that amount of wages that constitutes "They give me so much money". We don't know the true figure but as many have suggested even on 50k a eek with us that could have more than tripled his wages.

 

Fact is you rubbished people who said he wasn't on 65k a week by using his comments to prove them wrong, but he never stated any figures. Which means in this case Turkish you are...............

 

MrWrong.jpg

 

You will just have to accept it.

 

Now lets please get back on topic.

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Back to Wanyama....Matey on Talksport saying its tax reasons why a player doesn't pay the agent fees in football transfers. Some sort of 'double whammy' tax situation. Haven't been following it closely so not sure what the ins and outs of that are.
Well I gues it'd be that theyd have to pay income tax on the money they get from the club, then VAT would be paid on the amount that goes to the agent, so a double tax hit could be argued. Sure it wouldn't be too hard to find a way around that if they really wanted to.
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Apologies Itchen.

 

 

 

 

 

No one said that.

 

Stop being so obtuse.

 

Gaston certainly came here because we gave him a very good financial offer, that much is clear. I don't think that is the only reason and his other comments would support that.

 

What is not clear is that amount of wages that constitutes "They give me so much money". We don't know the true figure but as many have suggested even on 50k a eek with us that could have more than tripled his wages.

 

Fact is you rubbished people who said he wasn't on 65k a week by using his comments to prove them wrong, but he never stated any figures. Which means in this case Turkish you are...............

 

MrWrong.jpg

 

You will just have to accept it.

 

Now lets please get back on topic.

 

it's not though is it 2m euros net was the figure mentioned, it must have come from somewhere, or someone is lying. It's quite simple and just because you dont like it doesnt mean its untrue.

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Well I gues it'd be that theyd have to pay income tax on the money they get from the club, then VAT would be paid on the amount that goes to the agent, so a double tax hit could be argued. Sure it wouldn't be too hard to find a way around that if they really wanted to.

 

Like Messi you mean ? Players used to farm out image rights to fiscal paradises and make themselves into companies and the like

to reduce tax but it was outlawed in the UK sometime back I believe. the basis of the "scam" was that a player received a loan

from his club as a limited company and not full salary. Instead of 50% or so income tax his "company" paid just corporation tax at

28% or similar. Think it was outlawed but it may well be still in use.

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Like Messi you mean ? Players used to farm out image rights to fiscal paradises and make themselves into companies and the like

to reduce tax but it was outlawed in the UK sometime back I believe. the basis of the "scam" was that a player received a loan

from his club as a limited company and not full salary. Instead of 50% or so income tax his "company" paid just corporation tax at

28% or similar. Think it was outlawed but it may well be still in use.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IR35 ?

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because Morgan is in the Prem, a real league full of class players. Wanyama plays for Celtic against St Mirren and ICT.

Do you actually go to football in Scotland Glasgie, apart from Old Firm games I mean. Have you ever watched Ross County? It's the Clump Inn FC with better kit.

 

I don't really get why you feel so strongly about Scottish Football, it's no worse than a lot of European leagues. Don't get me wrong, it's a long way off the major leagues (England, France, Spain, Germany etc), but it's miles ahead of the Irish and Welsh leagues for example, which have still produced some pretty decent players over the years.

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I don't really get why you feel so strongly about Scottish Football, it's no worse than a lot of European leagues. Don't get me wrong, it's a long way off the major leagues (England, France, Spain, Germany etc), but it's miles ahead of the Irish and Welsh leagues for example, which have still produced some pretty decent players over the years.

 

but not at 12 million quid. Nothing against the lad himself but he's an unknown quantity justly because of the standard of Scottish football. Yesterday I pointed out that Chaplow scoring against Man U in a narrow 2-1 cup defeat didn't necessarily make him a 12 million £ player. I'd like us to get Wanyama but for 4/5 million agent's fee thrown in and at a respectable salary which reflects the level of football he's been acquired from.

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oh no! he's also just been threatened by mods for talking bout southampton stadiums on Victor Wanyama threads. Apparently they is not all that interested!

 

keep posting off topic and you'll be.shown the door
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/expat-money/7465517/Non-dom-status-do-you-qualify.html

 

I think you need to revise your estimate of ramirez's gross income based on the fact he may enjoy non-dom status and may be exploiting various available tax efficiency strategies- all speculation off course. Given Cortese's background he will have good knowledge of the tax system and how to manage tax. I have often wondered whether Cortese's skills here might be a factor in enabling us to compete with bigger clubs on wages.

 

Top clubs can easily afford top accountants! Also Not sure just because NC is a top sports banker that he is necessarily a UK tax expert too!

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For those who don't think we should sign him ,who would you have us going for?

I think he looks great and at 12m a good price. Looks to have all the tools right age and is only going to improve, and I would imagine we have been watching him closely for a while.

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but not at 12 million quid. Nothing against the lad himself but he's an unknown quantity justly because of the standard of Scottish football. Yesterday I pointed out that Chaplow scoring against Man U in a narrow 2-1 cup defeat didn't necessarily make him a 12 million £ player. I'd like us to get Wanyama but for 4/5 million agent's fee thrown in and at a respectable salary which reflects the level of football he's been acquired from.

 

That £12m will take into account his young age, his international pedigree (albeit for a smaller nation), the fact that he plays in Britain (which seems to add £4/5m for some reason), the fact that Celtic don't really want to sell and also the fact that he's a very highly rated prospect in European football. I don't really think that the league a player plays in makes a lot of difference when it comes to price, especially for Celtic as they're relatively wealthy due to their forays into Europe.

 

When we were in League One and there were teams sniffing around Alex Chamberlain, would you have felt insulted if he'd signed for a club for £2m instead of £12m purely because of the league we were in? Fact is that talent costs - wherever they play.

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That £12m will take into account his young age, his international pedigree (albeit for a smaller nation), the fact that he plays in Britain (which seems to add £4/5m for some reason), the fact that Celtic don't really want to sell and also the fact that he's a very highly rated prospect in European football. I don't really think that the league a player plays in makes a lot of difference when it comes to price, especially for Celtic as they're relatively wealthy due to their forays into Europe.

 

When we were in League One and there were teams sniffing around Alex Chamberlain, would you have felt insulted if he'd signed for a club for £2m instead of £12m purely because of the league we were in? Fact is that talent costs - wherever they play.

 

AOC ? we saw them coming and bit their arm off, he wanted to go there at all cost and we milked that to the death,they'll regret it.

he's not that good.

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Bearsy spotted him on the Jonus bros forum earlier as well!

 

http://fanclub.jonasbrothers.com/community/topic/756732-what-is-the-best-venue-u-have-seen-jonas-brothers-play/

 

He saves his golden posts for TMS thou.

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