110_Persaint Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Call me a bedwetter all you like guys but this Lovren bloke does not fill me at all with confidence and/or joy. I've watched enough videos and read about him quite a bit over the past 3-4 hours (yes I'm bored!) and he looks average-good at best. Error-prone to say the least. Certainly no Astori who's in a different class IMO. Also looking like we totally overpaid for him. Something like £8m?? Not worth more than two Forrens surely! On the subject of Forren, wasn't he supposed to be first choice next season?? Now with Yoshida a shoo-in in the first XI the other CB position already had strong competition prior to Lovren and IMO we did not need to sign another... or at least not break the bank for a full international when a lower league player (or academy product) would of been more than good enough backup! Also, weren't we good enough defensively under MP towards the end of last season that we didn't need to improve substantially in defence? It was our GOALS FOR column that needed improving and that is where our funds should of been focused IMO. This £8m or whatever it was will almost certainly put a dent in our ability to purchase top quality where we need it the most (forward, winger). A shame, for me. Decent enough signing overall I guess and glad we showed we can compete with the big boys financially and in attracting players... but all things considered I'm left with a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth. Just can't help thinking we could of done so much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Yep, he's rubbish, I can't wait for him to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Let's give him a chance, MP knows what he is doing. The guy is young, has pedigree, speaks English and has 17 caps with a premier international side. He may have lost his way a little last season which means he will be keen to reassert himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanjay Sanchez Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Couldn't agree with you more, what an insightful post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Call me a bedwetter Didn't need to read any further! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 It won't put a dent in who we can purchase elsewhere as we have £50+ million available for transfers from rumours I have heard. It might actually help land a couple of our other targets by showing them we have ambition and players being monitored by bigger teams than us are willing to buy into our project and join us like Lovren. I think a percentage of our fanbase are totally deluded in who they think we can sign expecting the top players in the world to come to us. For our current position Lovren is one hell of a coup especially when you read comments from lots of different journalists and fans on twitter saying how the hell did Southampton land Lovren. He is definately a major upgrade on Jos and Jose for a start. How do we know that we are not trying to buy Astori aswell!!? Lovren has bags of potential and I for one am willing to trust NC and MP and at least give Lovren a chance before writing him off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sea Saint Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Call me a bedwetter all you like guys but this Lovren bloke does not fill me at all with confidence and/or joy. I've watched enough videos and read about him quite a bit over the past 3-4 hours (yes I'm bored!) and he looks average-good at best. Error-prone to say the least. Certainly no Astori who's in a different class IMO. Also looking like we totally overpaid for him. Something like £8m?? Not worth more than two Forrens surely! On the subject of Forren, wasn't he supposed to be first choice next season?? Now with Yoshida a shoo-in in the first XI the other CB position already had strong competition prior to Lovren and IMO we did not need to sign another... or at least not break the bank for a full international when a lower league player (or academy product) would of been more than good enough backup! Also, weren't we good enough defensively under MP towards the end of last season that we didn't need to improve substantially in defence? It was our GOALS FOR column that needed improving and that is where our funds should of been focused IMO. This £8m or whatever it was will almost certainly put a dent in our ability to purchase top quality where we need it the most (forward, winger). A shame, for me. Decent enough signing overall I guess and glad we showed we can compete with the big boys financially and in attracting players... but all things considered I'm left with a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth. Just can't help thinking we could of done so much better. We were less offensive because MP could obviously see that we lacked the quality in defence to push players higher up the field. As has ben well documented on here, the mauling at St James' Park was when MP must have thought, "no, we can't play like this without a rehaul at the back". He's now rehauling so let's see what he can do. Lovren might have had an awful season but let's give him, and MP's ability to pick a player, a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 MP could always play 3 CB's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Didn't need to read any further! I just read the name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Weird especially 2nd to last paragraph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 I just read the name Same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 His stats say it all really. No clean sheets. No goals. No assists. No league starts. No interceptions. Rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Don't know anything about this guy, I'll be rating him on his performances, not his rep or what Internet posts are saying. I can't see the club spending that much cash on a player that's not better than what we have, I've been wrong before though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Well we haven't won a game since he signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Well we haven't won a game since he signed or lost one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Call me a bedwetter all you like guys but this Lovren bloke does not fill me at all with confidence and/or joy. I've watched enough videos and read about him quite a bit over the past 3-4 hours (yes I'm bored!) and he looks average-good at best. Error-prone to say the least. Certainly no Astori who's in a different class IMO. Also looking like we totally overpaid for him. Something like £8m?? Not worth more than two Forrens surely! On the subject of Forren, wasn't he supposed to be first choice next season?? Now with Yoshida a shoo-in in the first XI the other CB position already had strong competition prior to Lovren and IMO we did not need to sign another... or at least not break the bank for a full international when a lower league player (or academy product) would of been more than good enough backup! Also, weren't we good enough defensively under MP towards the end of last season that we didn't need to improve substantially in defence? It was our GOALS FOR column that needed improving and that is where our funds should of been focused IMO. This £8m or whatever it was will almost certainly put a dent in our ability to purchase top quality where we need it the most (forward, winger). A shame, for me. Decent enough signing overall I guess and glad we showed we can compete with the big boys financially and in attracting players... but all things considered I'm left with a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth. Just can't help thinking we could of done so much better. The Transfer Committee and the manager obviously think differently to you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Pinocchio's record in the transfer market is so far quite poor. Signed 2 players (both CBs) and neither has played a single game for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Call me a bedwetter all you like guys On the subject of urination: if you were on fire, i wouldnt even **** on you to put it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Jos is not top 10 standard CB, hes a top Championship/ bottom 3/4 prem side CB at best, seems a nice guy and good for back up, however if were serious about a top 8 finish he needs to be 3rd or 4th choice. Fonte Yoshida Forren and Lovren for me is a good defence to have, all good enough to play for any prem side out of the top 6/7, with Clyne and Shaw both future England full backs i feel we have a quality defence now and just need RB cover Winger and a new Striker if Sharp is off to complete a squad good enough for a 10th-8th place finish, and a good cup run QF/SF of league or fa cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Didn't need to read any further! I just read the name Same here. On the subject of urination: if you were on fire, i wouldnt even **** on you to put it out. 110% is always polite and i've never seen him insult another poster....... Why do you think it's ok to bully him like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Did you find this article in the 3-4 hours you spent? https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1622409-scouting-rumoured-chelsea-transfer-target-dejan-lovren provides a detailed view on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 I shall reserve my judgment as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcuk fan Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1622409-scouting-rumoured-chelsea-transfer-target-dejan-lovren provides a detailed view on him. Hmmmm, bed wetter ? or informed and interesting report ? difficult choice ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 bedwetter!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'00' Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Did you find this article in the 3-4 hours you spent? https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1622409-scouting-rumoured-chelsea-transfer-target-dejan-lovren provides a detailed view on him. Positive report and if he is sent off 3 times that will mean 9-12 games out so back up required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Did you find this article in the 3-4 hours you spent? https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1622409-scouting-rumoured-chelsea-transfer-target-dejan-lovren provides a detailed view on him. Cheers, great article. Based on that I can't agree with the op. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Cheers, great article. Based on that I can't agree with the op. After reading that sounds like he's just what we are looking for, fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 From what I have seen and read so far...Appears to be a very good signing for the mighty Saints... COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 3-4 hours on a Saturday afternoon looking at videos of a centre back we've just signed? Blimey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 3-4 hours on a Saturday afternoon looking at videos of a centre back we've just signed? Blimey. Just as well our transfer committee do a bit more research than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Positive report and if he is sent off 3 times that will mean 9-12 games out so back up required. Only if it's violent conduct. 2 yellows is a 1 match ban, as is a straight red for a professional foul. I'm not sure how the punishments stack up for repeat offences but I doubt he will be sent off 3 times again next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Call me a bedwetter all you like guys but this Lovren bloke does not fill me at all with confidence and/or joy. I've watched enough videos and read about him quite a bit over the past 3-4 hours (yes I'm bored!) and he looks average-good at best. Error-prone to say the least. Certainly no Astori who's in a different class IMO. Also looking like we totally overpaid for him. Something like £8m?? Not worth more than two Forrens surely! On the subject of Forren, wasn't he supposed to be first choice next season?? Now with Yoshida a shoo-in in the first XI the other CB position already had strong competition prior to Lovren and IMO we did not need to sign another... or at least not break the bank for a full international when a lower league player (or academy product) would of been more than good enough backup! Also, weren't we good enough defensively under MP towards the end of last season that we didn't need to improve substantially in defence? It was our GOALS FOR column that needed improving and that is where our funds should of been focused IMO. This £8m or whatever it was will almost certainly put a dent in our ability to purchase top quality where we need it the most (forward, winger). A shame, for me. Decent enough signing overall I guess and glad we showed we can compete with the big boys financially and in attracting players... but all things considered I'm left with a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth. Just can't help thinking we could of done so much better. Dont be hard on yourself. Youre a swivel eyed, mouth breathing , bed wetting lunatic of the highest order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 3-4 hours on a Saturday afternoon looking at videos of a centre back we've just signed? Blimey. Not much else to do once you have washed the bedding again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
percy windham Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Call me a bedwetter all you like guys but this Lovren bloke does not fill me at all with confidence and/or joy. I've watched enough videos and read about him quite a bit over the past 3-4 hours (yes I'm bored!) and he looks average-good at best. Error-prone to say the least. Certainly no Astori who's in a different class IMO. Also looking like we totally overpaid for him. Something like £8m?? Not worth more than two Forrens surely! On the subject of Forren, wasn't he supposed to be first choice next season?? Now with Yoshida a shoo-in in the first XI the other CB position already had strong competition prior to Lovren and IMO we did not need to sign another... or at least not break the bank for a full international when a lower league player (or academy product) would of been more than good enough backup! Also, weren't we good enough defensively under MP towards the end of last season that we didn't need to improve substantially in defence? It was our GOALS FOR column that needed improving and that is where our funds should of been focused IMO. This £8m or whatever it was will almost certainly put a dent in our ability to purchase top quality where we need it the most (forward, winger). A shame, for me. Decent enough signing overall I guess and glad we showed we can compete with the big boys financially and in attracting players... but all things considered I'm left with a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth. Just can't help thinking we could of done so much better. I agree with you completely. I feel ill just thinking about this signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 I watched enough Serie A last season, and spoke to those who know better than me and Astori wasn't all that great last season. Opinions init Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 I've even managed to find a Bristol Rovers fan who felt that Rickie Lambert was over rated in my time. Couldn't care less about the opinions of various randoms regarding Lovren. I have faith in the club management and just looking forward to seeing what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Didn't take long. Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Why dont we wait and see how he does for a trainer and club that value him and want him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 I was about to agree, then thought...by 'wait and see', you probably mean 2 games right? If it suits the witch-hunt agenda, think what you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 If it suits the witch-hunt agenda, think what you like. If you keep poking the hornet's nest don't be surprised if the colony starts stinging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 On the subject of urination: if you were on fire, i wouldnt even **** on you to put it out.Why waste good body fluids on a TURD!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Why isn't this tosser banned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Not much else to do once you have washed the bedding again. Hahaha brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLY Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Call me a bedwetter all you like guys but this Lovren bloke does not fill me at all with confidence and/or joy. I've watched enough videos and read about him quite a bit over the past 3-4 hours (yes I'm bored!) and he looks average-good at best. Error-prone to say the least. Certainly no Astori who's in a different class IMO. Also looking like we totally overpaid for him. Something like £8m?? Not worth more than two Forrens surely! On the subject of Forren, wasn't he supposed to be first choice next season?? Now with Yoshida a shoo-in in the first XI the other CB position already had strong competition prior to Lovren and IMO we did not need to sign another... or at least not break the bank for a full international when a lower league player (or academy product) would of been more than good enough backup! Also, weren't we good enough defensively under MP towards the end of last season that we didn't need to improve substantially in defence? It was our GOALS FOR column that needed improving and that is where our funds should of been focused IMO. This £8m or whatever it was will almost certainly put a dent in our ability to purchase top quality where we need it the most (forward, winger). A shame, for me. Decent enough signing overall I guess and glad we showed we can compete with the big boys financially and in attracting players... but all things considered I'm left with a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth. Just can't help thinking we could of done so much better. bedwetter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 16 June, 2013 Share Posted 16 June, 2013 What does our manager, who played 20 times for Argentina, know about centre backs? I am sure that the OP is much better informed and therefore we should be bedwetters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananaman Posted 16 June, 2013 Share Posted 16 June, 2013 A sign the times when fans are underwhelmed by an internatioanl, Croatian centre back. **** me, it seems like last week we were bringing in Dale Stephens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 16 June, 2013 Share Posted 16 June, 2013 A sign the times when fans are underwhelmed by an internatioanl, Croatian centre back. **** me, it seems like last week we were bringing in Dale Stephens And Ryan Dickson.... Dan Seaborne.... etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 16 June, 2013 Share Posted 16 June, 2013 "Anyone else not exactly thrilled by Lovren?" The problem with this is that it's what in legal terms would be called a 'leading question' or, in SW terms, an 'Alpine question'. There may be problems in the way he plays, but you seem to have jumped on all the negatives. A bit of blah, blah, blah, and then you say you are 'left with a bitter taste in my mouth'. 'Can do much better' and then a facepalm... Perlease! Why can't you use reasonable language? "What do you think of Lovren, doesn't he look a bit error prone?" and we could all have discussed it reasonably; after watching 4 hours of videos, naturally... As it is, yes, you come over as a troll and a bedwetter, and I hope my explanation whypeople think that will help you improve your posts here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 16 June, 2013 Share Posted 16 June, 2013 Call me a bedwetter all you like guys but this Lovren bloke does not fill me at all with confidence and/or joy. I've watched enough videos and read about him quite a bit over the past 3-4 hours (yes I'm bored!) and he looks average-good at best. Error-prone to say the least. Certainly no Astori who's in a different class IMO. Also looking like we totally overpaid for him. Something like £8m?? Not worth more than two Forrens surely! On the subject of Forren, wasn't he supposed to be first choice next season?? Now with Yoshida a shoo-in in the first XI the other CB position already had strong competition prior to Lovren and IMO we did not need to sign another... or at least not break the bank for a full international when a lower league player (or academy product) would of been more than good enough backup! Also, weren't we good enough defensively under MP towards the end of last season that we didn't need to improve substantially in defence? It was our GOALS FOR column that needed improving and that is where our funds should of been focused IMO. This £8m or whatever it was will almost certainly put a dent in our ability to purchase top quality where we need it the most (forward, winger). A shame, for me. Decent enough signing overall I guess and glad we showed we can compete with the big boys financially and in attracting players... but all things considered I'm left with a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth. Just can't help thinking we could of done so much better. Thanks - so nearly tempted to join full time, and this just brought me back to my senses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 16 June, 2013 Share Posted 16 June, 2013 A sign the times when fans are underwhelmed by an internatioanl, Croatian centre back. **** me, it seems like last week we were bringing in Dale Stephens :yawn:Mmmmm.....had a long sleep-in did you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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