The Kraken Posted 22 June, 2013 Posted 22 June, 2013 What a s**t game Brazil v Italy has been so far. 3-1 now. But the amount of diving and cheating is off the scale.
Olallana Posted 22 June, 2013 Posted 22 June, 2013 3-1 now. But the amount of diving and cheating is off the scale. I saw someone comment on twitter that he and his friends decided to have a drink every time someone dived in the game. They´re probably well asleep by now...
Sour Mash Posted 22 June, 2013 Posted 22 June, 2013 3-1 now. But the amount of diving and cheating is off the scale. 2nd half definitely been an improvement to be fair.
The Kraken Posted 22 June, 2013 Posted 22 June, 2013 I saw someone comment on twitter that he and his friends decided to have a drink every time someone dived in the game. They´re probably well asleep by now... Or dead....even an old school defender like Lawrenson is defending it. "Its what happens these days". I do hate that attitude.
jawillwill Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 What a s**t game Brazil v Italy has been so far. I only watched the first 5 minutes of the first half because I was going out, but it was an amazing first 5 minutes I thought. Brazil were going for it from the off.
itchen_dan Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 Tonight is Uruguay v Tahiti on BBC Three Red Button at 8pm. I would expect Gaston to play as he missed the last game but saying that, Forlan took his place, played very well and scored so who knows.
Sour Mash Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 Tonight is Uruguay v Tahiti on BBC Three Red Button at 8pm. I would expect Gaston to play as he missed the last game but saying that, Forlan took his place, played very well and scored so who knows. Would expect Ramirez to play as they'll rest a lot of their side that played against Nigeria.
TK8267 Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 Ramirez through on goal should of done better... 2-0 Uruguay now Hernandez
Batman Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 what channel are you watching this on. just the spain game on bbc3
mulletsaint Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 Would expect Ramirez to play as they'll rest a lot of their side that played against Nigeria. You do realise Ramirez started the match against Spain? Not sure if Forlan was injured or banned but the commentators were indicating that Uruguay wanted play to go through him. Would indicate they place a decent amount of trust in him.
Tokyo-Saint Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 what channel are you watching this on. just the spain game on bbc3 Press the red button Brett.
TK8267 Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 Only on BBC online they cancelled it on the red button live its repeated on the red button later.
Saint Garrett Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 This abel Hernandez looks impressive, good powerful striker - reminds me a bit of Lukaku. Yes I know its not hard to look a handful against Taihti, but worth a look maybe,
supersonic Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 This abel Hernandez looks impressive, good powerful striker - reminds me a bit of Lukaku. Yes I know its not hard to look a handful against Taihti, but worth a look maybe, thought the same. Knew he is highly rated in Italy, but he looks decent
beavis17 Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 This abel Hernandez looks impressive, good powerful striker - reminds me a bit of Lukaku. Yes I know its not hard to look a handful against Taihti, but worth a look maybe, I've rated him for a while. Perfect age too and could be available for a smaller fee now Palermo have been relegated.
JackFrost Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 PK save from the Fijians! Fiji aren't in this tournament
S-Clarke Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 Frustratingly, as has been all too familiar to us, Gaston is flattering to deceive, against such awful opponents.
Tokyo-Saint Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 Fiji aren't in this tournament Well pointed out, thanks for your help. Although that Chinese Fijian on the wing looks a much better player than Gaston, doesn't he?
Picard Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 Gaston Ramirez has been disappointing because he's had a chance to stake a claim for the rest of the competition and he's just floating around on the edge of the game. Quote from Martin Keown on BBC
Batman Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 Gaston subbed, no surprise, he's been rubbish. that he has. Watched this game to see if he would spark. just seemed to trot around doing nothing special. hmmmm
Sour Mash Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 Gaston subbed, no surprise, he's been rubbish. No, it must be the fact that the players around him aren't of high enough quality/on the same wavelength.
Batman Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 No, it must be the fact that the players around him aren't of high enough quality/on the same wavelength. that argument is stupid. why people say that is stupid. (i know you are not actually meaning it here) Like when papa waigo was always woefully offside. people actually said that it was because he was miles better than everyone else.
S-Clarke Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 that he has. Watched this game to see if he would spark. just seemed to trot around doing nothing special. hmmmm As he does in every, single, game I've ever seen him play. I'm so desperate for him to do well, absolutely dying to see him become a star, but he just doesn't do it for me at all. I keep watching him in the hope he will, but it's always the same. Playing around on the peripheral of the game. Wouldn't really bother me too much if we re-couped in the summer, although I don't think we will - reckon we will persevere.
DuncanRG Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 I hope he's dropped for the next game and Uruguay go out. Poor guy needs a rest, he's been playing for two years straight.
Batman Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 I hope he's dropped for the next game and Uruguay go out. Poor guy needs a rest, he's been playing for two years straight. hardly. missed a fair few games for saints
Sour Mash Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 I hope he's dropped for the next game and Uruguay go out. Poor guy needs a rest, he's been playing for two years straight. What are you on about? No he hasn't.
Sour Mash Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 that argument is stupid. why people say that is stupid. (i know you are not actually meaning it here) Like when papa waigo was always woefully offside. people actually said that it was because he was miles better than everyone else. Exactly. I rate the bloke, but hate some of the ridiculous over-the-top excuses some make for him.
DuncanRG Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 (edited) What are you on about? No he hasn't. A year and a half - full Serie A season, Olympics, full Premier League season with no preseason, Confederations Cup. Obviously he hasn't played every possible game without any breaks but that's an awful lot for a young player before you add in moving across the globe, learning a new language, his family issues etc. Always a lot of talk about young Englishmen like Jack Wilshere being overworked and I think Ramirez has been through a lot as well. Rest and a full preseason will do him good. Edited 23 June, 2013 by DuncanRG
Batman Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 A year and a half - full Serie A season, Olympics, full Premier League season with no preseason, Confederations Cup. Obviously he hasn't played every possible game without any breaks but that's an awful lot for a young player before you add in moving across the globe, learning a new language, his family issues etc. no pre season? do they not do that in italy? how many games did he play in his last season for Bologna? no two ways about it. he was utter crap this confederations cup
S-Clarke Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 A year and a half - full Serie A season, Olympics, full Premier League season with no preseason, Confederations Cup. Obviously he hasn't played every possible game without any breaks but that's an awful lot for a young player before you add in moving across the globe, learning a new language, his family issues etc. Always a lot of talk about young Englishmen like Jack Wilshere being overworked. To be fair, Louis Suarez is in exactly the same boat. There's not really any excuse for failing to perform against Tahiti!
DuncanRG Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 (edited) I know he's been awful. I'm not defending his performances, just expressing what I think would be best for him at Saints now. I assume he was at the Olympics for some of Bologna's preseason, as Cork was for ours, but what I meant was he didn't have any Saints preseason so couldn't meet the players, gel, be coached, learn the language etc before he was put into action. Wiki says he played 33 games for Bologna. To be fair, Louis Suarez is in exactly the same boat. There's not really any excuse for failing to perform against Tahiti! Suarez was a couple of years older when he went to Liverpool, not a 'young player' as such. It's the amount of work he's doing as a young kid that worries me, must have been fatigued at times. Edited 23 June, 2013 by DuncanRG
Sour Mash Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 A year and a half - full Serie A season, Olympics, full Premier League season with no preseason, Confederations Cup. Obviously he hasn't played every possible game without any breaks but that's an awful lot for a young player before you add in moving across the globe, learning a new language, his family issues etc. Always a lot of talk about young Englishmen like Jack Wilshere being overworked. He had something like a 6 week break between his last game for us and his first this summer for Uruguay. He didn't start playing for us last season til late September and has missed plenty of football for both us and Uruguay. Look at how much football some of the spanish players play? Or people like Ashley Cole or Frank Lampard over the last few years.
Batman Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 I know he's been awful. I'm not defending his performances, just expressing what I think would be best for him at Saints now. I assume he was at the Olympics for some of Bologna's preseason, as Cork was for ours, but what I meant was he didn't have any Saints preseason so couldn't meet the players, gel, be coached, learn the language etc before he was put into action. Wiki says he played 33 games for Bologna. so, he missed a few games for bologna, a fair few for us too this season is huge. without a big improvement he will struggle to realise his potential
DuncanRG Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 He had something like a 6 week break between his last game for us and his first this summer for Uruguay. He didn't start playing for us last season til late September and has missed plenty of football for both us and Uruguay. Look at how much football some of the spanish players play? Or people like Ashley Cole or Frank Lampard over the last few years. They're all much older! A lot of the Spanish youth playing at tournament level are in the reserves for big Spanish teams and don't play every week. this season is huge. without a big improvement he will struggle to realise his potential Agreed.
Sour Mash Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 They're all much older! So should be harder for them. He really hasn't played that much football in the last year. It's no excuse.
The Kraken Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 They're all much older! A lot of the Spanish youth playing at tournament level are in the reserves for big Spanish teams and don't play every week. Ramirez is 22. He's not a young developing lad like Luke Shaw, he's a year younger than Jack Cork and Morgan Schneiderlin. He SHOULD be playing loads of games at this stage of his career.
Turkish Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 that argument is stupid. why people say that is stupid. (i know you are not actually meaning it here) Like when papa waigo was always woefully offside. people actually said that it was because he was miles better than everyone else. Tanadari Lee was another one, his running off the ball was so good we didn't have players around him with the vision to pick his runs out.
DuncanRG Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 Ramirez is 22. He's not a young developing lad like Luke Shaw, he's a year younger than Jack Cork and Morgan Schneiderlin. He SHOULD be playing loads of games at this stage of his career. He was 20 at the start of that cycle - I would agree with you if he was going to play in tournaments next summer and the summer afterwards, but not as it is.
dan abnormal Posted 23 June, 2013 Posted 23 June, 2013 Looked like he didn't want to be there to me. I think he might come good, but i think thats in hope rather than expectation. I want him to succeed but he managed to regress over the season after a fairly bright start.
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