US in hot water over Prism

[Batman]

if you are really worried about security of personal information

suggest you get off these social forums and facebook etc

[pap]

if you are really worried about security of personal information

suggest you get off these social forums and facebook etc

 

I don't think you realise how widespread the issue is, Jamie.

 

For the last time, it is not just social networks. It's email, text messages, your search terms on Google, the sites you've visited, the telephone numbers you have called. That is just the stuff that has been revealed.

 

You're essentially saying if you want privacy, don't participate in modern life.

[Batman]

I don't think you realise how widespread the issue is, Jamie.

 

For the last time, it is not just social networks. It's email, text messages, your search terms on Google, the sites you've visited, the telephone numbers you have called. That is just the stuff that has been revealed.

 

You're essentially saying if you want privacy, don't participate in modern life.

I am pretty aware. Or should I say, not surprised at all.

More so, I dont really care as nothing on my facebook has any real detail about me. That and this place are the only social sites I use.

other than that. I have an account with Ebay and Amazon and use Internet banking.

 

I was not saying dont participate in modern life, but if total privacy is an issue, then stop using American sites as it really is no brainer what they are like.

also, do not think that the yanks are the worst at this either.

 

sooner or later, you will have a choice of an American owned website to use, or chinese. Take your pick

[bridge too far]

I am pretty aware. Or should I say, not surprised at all.

More so, I dont really care as nothing on my facebook has any real detail about me. That and this place are the only social sites I use.

other than that. I have an account with Ebay and Amazon and use Internet banking.

I was not saying dont participate in modern life, but if total privacy is an issue, then stop using American sites as it really is no brainer what they are like.

also, do not think that the yanks are the worst at this either.

 

sooner or later, you will have a choice of an American owned website to use, or chinese. Take your pick

 

And you think 'they' haven't got the ability to tap into this - especially given your employer.

 

Way back in the 1970s, when my then husband was a full-time trade union official, both our home phone and his office phones were tapped. If they did that (unofficially) back then, just imagine what goes on now.

[Batman]

And you think 'they' haven't got the ability to tap into this - especially given your employer.

 

Way back in the 1970s, when my then husband was a full-time trade union official, both our home phone and his office phones were tapped. If they did that (unofficially) back then, just imagine what goes on now.

I know they do.

Like I said, I dont really give a crap as doing so, wont change it

 

it has been going on since the birth of the internet and if we didnt do it, our potential enemies certainly will on every scale

[bridge too far]

I know they do.

Like I said, I dont really give a crap as doing so, wont change it

 

it has been going on since the birth of the internet and if we didnt do it, our potential enemies certainly will on every scale

 

And doesn't it worry you that in the future we might have some nasty extreme government (such as UKIP ) who might well 'adapt' legislation to track people who might hold different, but benign. views? 1984 in all but name?

[Batman]

And doesn't it worry you that in the future we might have some nasty extreme government (such as UKIP ) who might well 'adapt' legislation to track people who might hold different, but benign. views? 1984 in all but name?

 

its going to happen anyway.

sooner or later, cars will be tracked with GPS systems that your insurance companies can use, maybe even the police

your phone already gives out your locations

your banking is pretty much done online as is your shopping

 

all of this data is available to anyway half decent at hacking let alone governments of the nations said media sites belong to

[Grey Crab]

Just imagine' date=' a file in a secret facility holding the records of every single piece of porn you have ever viewed....[/quote']

 

This is brilliant news. I wonder whether I can get access to this under the Data Protection Act? I've had some great w*nks down the years which I'd love to recreate again. Nostaljism.

[bridge too far]

Very slightly off topic, but this article in the Guardian is quite interesting

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/14/spies-influence-john-le-carre

[pap]

its going to happen anyway.

sooner or later, cars will be tracked with GPS systems that your insurance companies can use, maybe even the police

your phone already gives out your locations

your banking is pretty much done online as is your shopping

 

all of this data is available to anyway half decent at hacking let alone governments of the nations said media sites belong to

 

There's a big difference between targeted hacking and what is going on here, which in many cases, is tantamount to trawling.

 

I'm fully aware that when I post on Twitter, Facebook or here - I'm putting stuff into the public domain. It's a choice I've made up front - and I'm aware of the public nature of the audience.

 

The NSA, cheeky buggers that they are, are trying to claim that text messages are "metadata", which is a complete lie.

 

For the uninitiated, metadata is something that describes content, such as keywords on web pages, or the size of a file you've downloaded. It is not the content itself. Text messages can be deeply personal, very private and can be used to blackmail people. Really not on, imo.

[Saint in Paradise]

Benjamin Franklin (sometimes Thomas Jefferson) is often quoted as saying:

 

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty

to purchase a little Temporary Safety,

deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

 

From the "CRAIGforCONGRESS

Missouri's 7th District, U.S. House of Representatives website.

 

http://kevincraig.us/tempsec.htm

 

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[solentstars]

Benjamin Franklin (sometimes Thomas Jefferson) is often quoted as saying:

 

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty

to purchase a little Temporary Safety,

deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

 

From the "CRAIGforCONGRESS

Missouri's 7th District, U.S. House of Representatives website.

 

http://kevincraig.us/tempsec.htm

 

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a wise man indeed

 

 

 

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[OldNick]

I don't know if you've noticed, but the US government hasn't exactly been on top form lately. Detention without trial. Torture. Extraordinary rendition. Extrajudicial killings of US citizens. One illegal war. One massive overreaction in Afghanistan. Over 1 million people dead because of US policy.

 

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yeah, apart from that what have the Yanks done for us?

[johnnyboy]

Apparently we are using our own system http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa

[pap]

yeah, apart from that what have the Yanks done for us?

 

You've obviously never done business with southerners

[pap]

Venezuela offer Snowden asylum.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/06/edward-snowden-venezuela-asylum

[aintforever]

Benjamin Franklin (sometimes Thomas Jefferson) is often quoted as saying:

 

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty

to purchase a little Temporary Safety,

deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

 

From the "CRAIGforCONGRESS

Missouri's 7th District, U.S. House of Representatives website.

 

http://kevincraig.us/tempsec.htm

 

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It rhymes so it's true

[Viking Warrior]

I'm getting sick of this guy who betrays his country in the name of 'rights' then applies for asylum in countries that do not have human rights, Now he is involving and meeting Human Rights groups, such as Amnesety International.

 

This guy certainly seems to hog the lime light.

Does he have a room in the transit area, its seems his various representatives can move between the airport side and the russian side.

How does this work exaclly if they do not have airline tickets?

[Ex Lion Tamer]

I'm getting sick of this guy who betrays his country in the name of 'rights' then applies for asylum in countries that do not have human rights, Now he is involving and meeting Human Rights groups, such as Amnesety International.

 

This guy certainly seems to hog the lime light.

Does he have a room in the transit area, its seems his various representatives can move between the airport side and the russian side.

How does this work exaclly if they do not have airline tickets?

'Betrays his country' is pretty subjective. His country betrayed its people by keep a massive programme of surveillance secret from them.

[Viking Warrior]

It might be subjective lion tamer . But he is a traitor . How much of his revelations have put many if his countrymen in danger . Probably thousands although I do not have any stats to back that up . He has obviously broken the rule of confidentiality and secrecy and given the enemies of the us information that can be used against them

I wonder if the tosser would have alerted Pakistan that the us were going in there to get bin laden . I am of the opinion he's the sort of jerk who would have done that had he have been in on the loop . I hope he gets his come uppence

[Ex Lion Tamer]

It might be subjective lion tamer . But he is a traitor . How much of his revelations have put many if his countrymen in danger . Probably thousands although I do not have any stats to back that up . He has obviously broken the rule of confidentiality and secrecy and given the enemies of the us information that can be used against them

I wonder if the tosser would have alerted Pakistan that the us were going in there to get bin laden . I am of the opinion he's the sort of jerk who would have done that had he have been in on the loop . I hope he gets his come uppence

 

You can argue that it is necessary to monitor everyone's email in order to prevent terrorism, but to not even tell anyone you're doing it is massively undemocratic.

 

Suffice to say I am not of the opinion that he would have tried to save Bin Laden. It's completely different and I don't really know why you would think it is the same. Bin Laden was one very dangerous man whereas millions of innocent people around the world are not terrorists.

Edited 12 July, 2013 by Ex Lion Tamer

[Ex Lion Tamer]

You should care about privacy because if the data says you've done something wrong, then the person reading the data will interpret everything else you do through that light. Naked Citizens, a short, free documentary, documents several horrifying cases of police being told by computers that someone might be up to something suspicious, and thereafter interpreting everything they learn about that suspect as evidence of wrongdoing. For example, when a computer programmer named David Mery entered a tube station wearing a jacket in warm weather, an algorithm monitoring the CCTV brought him to the attention of a human operator as someone suspicious. When Mery let a train go by without boarding, the operator decided it was alarming behaviour. The police arrested him, searched him, asked him to explain every scrap of paper in his flat. A doodle consisting of random scribbles was characterised as a map of the tube station. Though he was never convicted of a crime, Mery is still on file as a potential terrorist eight years later, and can't get a visa to travel abroad. Once a computer ascribes suspiciousness to someone, everything else in that person's life becomes sinister and inexplicable.

I know I'm late but this is an excellent post. For all the perceived benefit of preventing terrorists there will be innocent people whose lives will be badly affected

[pap]

More details.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data

 

Interesting to see their implementation. Bit chilling though.

[pap]

Another Prism related story, pilfered from another site:-

 

What happens when a wife is searching for information on pressure cookers while her husband, presumably an outdoors man, searches for backpacks?

 

http://news.yahoo.com/google-pressure-cookers-backpacks-visit-feds-140900667.html

 

The goddam FBI, that's what!

[bridge too far]

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/aug/02/telecoms-bt-vodafone-cables-gchq

[pap]

Along with the extradition treaty and the whole getting into bed with neocons thing, more evidence that the UK is a de facto client state of the US?

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/20/us-uk-secret-deal-surveillance-personal-data

 

The UK government agreed that all its citizens were fair game for US surveillance. Funny. Don't remember voting for that. Blair and co have a lot to answer for.