Professor Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 I wonder how many of the Adkins fans in this thread were previously Pearson fans. Is it something about Nigels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 I wonder how many of the Adkins fans in this thread were previously Pearson fans. Is it something about Nigels? I'm most definitely not a Pearson fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 I'm most definitely not a Pearson fan. I thought he did a good job at Saints in the time he had with the resources available, he's been overtaken by other Saints managers since though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 I wonder how many people slagging Adkins off will be eating humble pie when there back in the premiership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustonmyfeet Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 half (or even 3 quarters) of a PL side got us 2 back to back promotions...very little to do with Adkins. When Nigel Adkins arrived, we had lost 3 games in a row, we were in the relegation zone... I think a lot of it was to do with Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 I wonder how many people slagging Adkins off will be eating humble pie when there back in the premiership? What if we are in the premiership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 NA's a top bloke who did a top job for us, why can't people just move on? Silly to slag him now, makes us look cheap and small time. NA was the right appointment at the right time and was massively successful for us, let's (all) hope we can say the same about Poch a couple of years down the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 Nigel Adkins made my life better. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 Nigel was a bit of a plum, but he was our plum. He gave me 2 unforgettable seasons and I only have positive memories of the guy. That said I just get the feeling that his style is not really suited to the premiership and the big business that its become. Its sad in a way, but all these homespun Nigelisms , have a limited lifespan. It was time for the club to move on, here's hoping for a home cup draw and a welcome back to nigel next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanghai Saint Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 What's the issue with this? He is positive and just wants to galvanise the supporters and keep everyone together after a relegation. Jesus, I find it embarrassing how quickly and strongly some of you had turned on a guy who did so much for us. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Army Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 Any Saints fan who criticises Adkins is proof we have just as many idiots in our ranks as any other football club in the country. Adkins was immense for us, he was respected and did an amazing job. Stunning how fickle our more moronic fans can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 7 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 7 June, 2013 Wow, what a strange response this thread has got. I have never criticised the job he did to get us out of the lowet divisions, he was superb. However, this serves to show that he is not a Premiership manager, and I for one would be embarrassed if this came out at Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 (edited) Wow, what a strange response this thread has got. I have never criticised the job he did to get us out of the lowet divisions, he was superb. However, this serves to show that he is not a Premiership manager, and I for one would be embarrassed if this came out at Saints. Seriously what the f***did you expect? As for the second highlighted bit, tell me how does this serve to show he is not a Premiership manager? Obviously he's not one now because Reading are Championship but who are we to judge his Premiership managerial credentials just because he takes an approach that doesn't conform to the 'norm'. He should only be judged on his results and he was cutting it at the time he was sacked, particularly if you exclude the beginning of the season (which I believe to be an anomaly give the teams we had to play and the settling into Premiership football) and take into account he out performed a manager who was touted as being the next England manager. Edited 7 June, 2013 by St Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 7 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 7 June, 2013 (edited) Seriously what the f***did you expect? As for the second highlighted bit, tell me how does this serve to show he is not a Premiership manager? Obviously he's not one now because Reading are Championship but who are we to judge his Premiership managerial credentials just because he takes an approach that doesn't conform to the 'norm'. He should only be judged on his results and he was cutting it at the time he was sacked, particularly if you exclude the beginning of the season (which I believe to be an anomaly give the teams we had to play and the settling into Premiership football) and take into account he out performed a manager who was touted as being the next England manager. You comparing him to Harry there, jeez... I like my managers to act professionally, not like a cringeworthy muppet. I liked him, I really did, he's a great lower league manager, but I think he was found out, and his level is the Championship. Personally I don't think he'll get promoted next year. I just don't think Reading are good enough, and were even worse when he took over from McDermott. Edited 7 June, 2013 by Dibden Purlieu Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 Wow, what a strange response this thread has got. I have never criticised the job he did to get us out of the lowet divisions, he was superb. However, this serves to show that he is not a Premiership manager, and I for one would be embarrassed if this came out at Saints. Well what do you think of the stuff sent out with our season tickets this year then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 I thought he did a good job at Saints in the time he had with the resources available, he's been overtaken by other Saints managers since though. Agree. And looks likely to happen to Adkins. It still seems wrong that he was ousted when he was, just as he was getting things under control defensively, but would he have got those victories over Man C, Chelsea and Liverpool? We will never know, but without them we could have been relegated. Despite the Adkins sacking seeming unfair, the club feels better without his management speak around and with Pochettino's professionalism in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 7 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 7 June, 2013 Well what do you think of the stuff sent out with our season tickets this year then? It just seems far more professional to me. Or maybe it's the fact that it's not written on a flipchart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChudSaint Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 Don't think I'd have been as embarrassed by this as I was the day he was sacked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 DPS in anti NA post. Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 Wow, what a strange response this thread has got. I have never criticised the job he did to get us out of the lowet divisions, he was superb. However, this serves to show that he is not a Premiership manager, and I for one would be embarrassed if this came out at Saints. The thread got the response it deserved. Even now, defending your OP, you draw a conclusion that he proved not to be capable of managing in the Premiership before he had the chance to complete the season. Of course, had we avoided relegation, that would in itself be proof that he was capable of managing at this level. He had us at 15th when he left and Pochettino has us one place higher. Adkins had never managed a Premiership team before, but equally neither had Pochettino. You base your opinion on some early results where he and we were finding our feet playing a very difficult list of fixtures, missing a vital player (Cork). You form this opinion also on the basis of team selection and tactics where you have no inside knowledge of the reasons behind those decisions. Beyond that, it just seems that you felt the desperate need to start a thread because Adkins' chirpy positivity gets up your nose and you needed to explain to everybody how it had offended your inate sense of decorum. Professor: It still seems wrong that he was ousted when he was, just as he was getting things under control defensively, but would he have got those victories over Man C, Chelsea and Liverpool? We will never know, but without them we could have been relegated. And neither will we know whether Adkins would have succeeded in getting results against Stoke, Sunderland, West Brom, Swansea, West Ham, Norwich, QPR, and Wigan. You make the assumption that just because we beat Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool under Pochettino, that Adkins would have been incapable of getting results where Pochettino failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 It just seems far more professional to me. Or maybe it's the fact that it's not written on a flipchart. IN what way more professional? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
influx Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 IN what way more professional? I'd be really surprised if Dibden has not got a season ticket! Do you think Crystal Palace are embarrased by Holloway?? Do you think Sunderland Fans are embarrassed by Di Canio?? Get a grip. How the **** can you be embarrassed by a successful manager, you plum!! I bet youre the type of person who gets embarrassed when some else farts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 I wonder how many people slagging Adkins off will be eating humble pie when there back in the premiership? Wonder how many will be eating humble pie when Ramirez kicks on next year ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 I'd be really surprised if Dibden has not got a season ticket! Do you think Crystal Palace are embarrased by Holloway?? Do you think Sunderland Fans are embarrassed by Di Canio?? Get a grip. How the **** can you be embarrassed by a successful manager, you plum!! I bet youre the type of person who gets embarrassed when some else farts. Actually yes I think some of them are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 You comparing him to Harry there, jeez... I like my managers to act professionally, not like a cringeworthy muppet. I liked him, I really did, he's a great lower league manager, but I think he was found out, and his level is the Championship. Personally I don't think he'll get promoted next year. I just don't think Reading are good enough, and were even worse when he took over from McDermott. He is acting professionally. This is the same professional and carefully maintained facade that helped take us to back to back promotions. Adkins gives the impression of an overly cheerful slightly over the top individual but this is all based on his knowledge of psychology and sports science. He is almost certainly one of the most professional and well considered managers in the modern game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
influx Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 Actually yes I think some of them are. True, i didnt think that one through! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 Is this Saints related? Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 nothing wrong with this at all, it sounds cheesy because he's used simple language but this will be his mantra from now on - desire to win games and scor goals with the upport of passionate fans. He's attempting to group the fans with the players, remember "together as one"? don't underestimate him - i seem to recall how when all other fans were taking the p1ss out of our nige we would be smug in our knowledge of the great job he was doing for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 I'm not sure how Adkins was proven not to be a premier league manager. In getting a team into the premier league (quite easily in the end) and getting them into a position where they weren't in a relegation position, surely the closest thing to being proved was that he was a premier league manager. He was fired for not being seen as the manager to take us on from that position to the next. I don't see what's so wrong with his message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 NA's a top bloke who did a top job for us, why can't people just move on? Silly to slag him now, makes us look cheap and small time. NA was the right appointment at the right time and was massively successful for us, let's (all) hope we can say the same about Poch a couple of years down the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 Do you think Crystal Palace are embarrased by Holloway?? Do you think Sunderland Fans are embarrassed by Di Canio?? Get a grip. How the **** can you be embarrassed by a successful manager, you plum!! I think you've given two excellent examples to answer your own question. Reading between the lines, I'd say you can be embarrassed by a successful manager if he's acting in an embarrassing way, irrespective of his success, which may be based on the things he does when acting embarrassingly. Holloway's changing room dance and moral righteousness, and di Canio's overreactions are both embarrassing, whether they're winning trophies or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 It just seems far more professional to me. Or maybe it's the fact that it's not written on a flipchart. Our season ticket blurb is as much platitude-heavy meaningless garbage as anything on the Reading mail-out. Reading's is better as at least it feels personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeintheslowlane Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 Can we have an end to this pointless repetition mods...a topic that needs to be euthanased before it sends the rest of us off to the funny farm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 7 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 7 June, 2013 Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree with this. Personally I think it's embarrassing and makes Reading look like a tin pot club. Maybe others don't? Fair enough, but imho it does. Not sure what is wrong with that. I assume the people that don't find it embarrassing are those that wear face paints and funny wigs to show how wacky and zany they are. I certainly wouldn't say I am a miserable person. Still don't understand the utter outrage in this thread as nowhere have I said that Adkins didn't do a good job for us until the Premiership (actually quite the opposite) and we did well between November and January, but when you are aware that a club is looking to replace the manager it's difficult not to look at their faults. It seems to be what most people are playing me on here, which is weird. But hey, mongboard members not reading posts and inferring stuff that isn't there, that's the raison d'etre for alot of the members it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 Agree. And looks likely to happen to Adkins. It still seems wrong that he was ousted when he was, just as he was getting things under control defensively, but would he have got those victories over Man C, Chelsea and Liverpool? We will never know, but without them we could have been relegated. Despite the Adkins sacking seeming unfair, the club feels better without his management speak around and with Pochettino's professionalism in place. Or we might have had better results in the numerous games where we've underperformed under Pochettino and still been fine. Worth noting that Adkins STILL has more Prem experience than Pochettino does at this point. I think you're completely wrong about things "feeling better without his management speak", they just feel different, and our new manager has his own way of avoiding answering tricky press questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 It's such bizarre logic. He was 'found out' in the same way the team were early on. The team learned and improved, as did he. When he left he had us very hard to beat, had improved the defence, had us playing well but not winning enough games we dominated, yet well on target to survive. Sound familiar? If someone isn't a premiership manager because of that, then christ knows what they have to do. Completely agree, no-one was "found out", we just happened to play a lot of good teams in the early matches, and by the time we started regularly playing mid-table and bottom half sides we had more than enough to survive comfortably. There's nothing in terms of actual results to suggest Pochettino is any better yet. People can cherry pick the wins against the top 3 but we also lost to QPR at home and didn't beat Sunderland, Stoke, Norwich, Newcastle or Wigan under the new manager. We beat Villa 4-1 in the first 2 months of the season, FFS, was Paul Lambert "found out" ? No, he just needed time to get his inexperienced side playing at a Prem level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 DPS in anti NA post. Wow http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?45213-God-I-am-glad-that-Adkins-left-how-embarrassing! http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?44480-We-never-would-have-sold-out-6-home-games-in-a-row-under-Adkins http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?28453-The-difference-between-Southampton-and-Brighton http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?40898-How-many-tactical-mistakes-is-Adkins-allowed-(Part-2) http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?40677-Rickie-on-the-bench-****-it-I-ve-had-enough-Adkins-out http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?40387-How-many-tactical-mistakes-is-Adkins-allowed http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?41489-Cyber-bullying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 I think we've covered this now. Let's get over the disappointing anti-Adkinism and focus on just how many Adidas stripes will be on the shoulders of the away kit. agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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