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Oh my god 3-0

 

a trouncing by a European minnow then, thing is their players actually play football and anyone eligible for the U23 tournament plays in it, even if they've got a shedload of full caps to their name. AOC should be available for this tournament, probably Cleverley and Jones as well but we do not daign to play them, probably because their clubs don't want them to.

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Wickham exemplifies all that is wrong with English football, Sunderland paid 10 million £ for a load of garbage just because he scored a few goals for Ipswich. An instant star with no craft or guile behind him.

 

No doubt he is toilet, but given we spent the first 45 sending in (bad) crosses, may as well shove a CF there. Zaha is wasted as a CF

 

a trouncing by a European minnow then, thing is their players actually play football and anyone eligible for the U23 tournament plays in it, even if they've got a shedload of full caps to their name. AOC should be available for this tournament, probably Cleverley and Jones as well but we do not daign to play them, probably because their clubs don't want them to.

 

AOC, Cleverly, Walker, Welbeck, Jones, Rodwell. I guess friendlies mean more.

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what do you expect he doesn't play very often, looked a good player when he was at Swansea playing nearly every week but as Spurs only wheel him out on high days and holidays now it's no wonder he doesn't look to be progressing. The FA/PL just have to stop this practise of buying players to keep them off of the market.

 

Is this the same Steven Caulker who made 28 appearances for Spurs this season, starting against City, Utd, Chelsea etc?

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Pearce was a great player with passion for his country but is a shocking manager. He turned Notts Forest and Man City into dour defensive poor teams and achieved nothing. To say a managerial dinosaur like him his in charge if our youngsters says it all about our international teams. Prehistoric out of date football. We are light years behind country's like Spain and Germany and nothing is likely to change with the cretins we have at the FA.

 

He was quite progressive when he played David James as a striker for City some years ago.

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but only 17 PL games,only 6 since January, games against Moldovian minnows count for little, once Dawson came back Caulker was pushed aside..

 

It's pretty impressive for a 21 year-old at a top 6 club, especially a centre half. It's very rare for young, English centre halves to get a chance at most big clubs. In fact I'd go so far as to say all of them - Man Utd's injuries have led to a fair amount of appearances for their young defenders but even Phil Jones can hardly get a game in the centre.

 

I can remember Caulker starting alongside Dawson as well, with Vertonghen on the bench. As far as I'm aware Vertonghen was never injured, which would suggest that it's just good rotation.

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Stuart Pearce, Brian Eastick and Steve Wigley, the U21's management dream team.

 

FFS.

 

Any management team with Wigley in it is heading for disaster , bloke is an absolute nonce but hey England's a jobs for the boys society isn't it. The FA reminds me of Evelyn Waugh's Sword of Honour trilogy.

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Any management team with Wigley in it is heading for disaster , bloke is an absolute nonce but hey England's a jobs for the boys society isn't it. The FA reminds me of Evelyn Waugh's Sword of Honour trilogy.

 

I've been coached by quite a few Saints coaches. Wigley was the best. Tarnished by his stint as manager here.

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No doubt he is toilet, but given we spent the first 45 sending in (bad) crosses, may as well shove a CF there. Zaha is wasted as a CF

 

 

 

AOC, Cleverly, Walker, Welbeck, Jones, Rodwell. I guess friendlies mean more.

 

Lowton ? Would he have been available ? You'd need 2 Clynes to make a Lowton in my opinion.

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Lowton ? Would he have been available ? You'd need 2 Clynes to make a Lowton in my opinion.

 

For some reason I thought he was a few months too old, but he would have been eligible. Quality player, should be given a chance at senior level.

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Poor, very poor.

 

but we have this penchant for leaving our best players out for whatever reason . Not totally au-fait with the Euro U21 rules but I've got this notion that players who were under 21 when qualifying started are eligible. That means some of the 'big' names amongst the younger players, maybe even Walcott,Sturridge even Jack Cork etc but we don't give priority to the tournament.Then there are the problem players like Townsend who cast themselves aside because they can't stop drinking or gambling or whatever it is.

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Clyne just tweeted:

 

@Nathaniel_Clyne: 'I'm a broken man get me home.'

 

Hope that doesn't mean he's injured.

 

Did anyone on here watch the match?

 

Yeah, he didn't look too happy out there, looked like he wanted to be anywhere but on the pitch.

 

Didn't really get forward at all, gave the ball away easily.

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Very bizarre performance by Clyne - no forward runs, no overlapping, no taking on the opposition full back. In fact he barely entered the oppositions half!

 

Watched it too and agree. That must be Pearce's system. Full backs lie deep and aren't encouraged to get forward presumably for the purpose of keeping the defence intact. Rose got forward once or twice but down the middle-not wide. Whenever Clyne got the ball (and most of the others for that matter) the options around were so few. There was never anyone nearby for the simple pass. Dinosaur football. Very poor to watch. Bernstein rates Pearce. Thinking about it he's a dinosaur too.

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Sums it up nicely - http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/jun/10/spain-european-under-21-championship-england

 

Agree with the above, it is probably detrimental to Clyne to be involved with the under 21s at present.

 

The Spanish system mentioned in this article has had World Class success and the German system is not far behind. Pearce and Roy Hodgson have been compared to dinosaurs and I think that is unfair to dinosaurs. The FA has to look long at hard at a implementing a strategy to build a system and structure from the bottom upwards that develops home grown talent. The article mentions the lack of u21 players who play in the premier league. Southampton are the exception in having Shaw and Clyne as regular starters. You can guarantee that the youth set ups at Barcelona and Bayern Munich are where their respective clubs long term focus and strategies lie. Barcelona are renowned for fielding teams of home grown or academy talent. Whereas there is talk of academies in England being closed down or centralised (the Bath example for Saints baffles me - why arent academies being promoted or secured?)

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Watched it too and agree. That must be Pearce's system. Full backs lie deep and aren't encouraged to get forward presumably for the purpose of keeping the defence intact. Rose got forward once or twice but down the middle-not wide. Whenever Clyne got the ball (and most of the others for that matter) the options around were so few. There was never anyone nearby for the simple pass. Dinosaur football. Very poor to watch. Bernstein rates Pearce. Thinking about it he's a dinosaur too.

 

or it could be the fact that English players are so scrutinised that if he did bomb forward and get caught out he would be blasted in all the media so thought he would play safe...or maybe a bit of both ;)

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Anyone else think Nigel would be a really good fit for the U21s job?

 

To be honest I don't know what the requirements are for coaching at that level...but he seems like the right character and would play very differently to Pearce.

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