Bad Wolf Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/201213-released-list-854898.aspx Always sad to tell a player he's no longer needed at the club. Hope they get new clubs soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_disco123 Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 reeves and Hoskins is a werid one thought they had good talent. the others were always going to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Yes, a mix of professionals who have served the club well in previous seasons and up-and-coming potential. Yet, as we are now a Premier League club, its a high step up and the club have to consider whether these 'seedlings' will be ready for the Premier League soon (extend their contracts and play them in the U21), and that decision is 'no'. Wish them all well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 reeves and Hoskins is a werid one thought they had good talent. the others were always going to happen Most likely that both will get opportunities in the lower leagues and may well work their way back into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st alex Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Will definitely need to bring in some defenders over the close season, as that now leaves us very thin on the ground at the back, Seaborne, Butterfield & Richardsson were our limited depth in that department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 I am surprised about Reeves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Will definitely need to bring in some defenders over the close season, as that now leaves us very thin on the ground at the back, Seaborne, Butterfield & Richardsson were our limited depth in that department. but the fact that we played Maya at RB instead of relying on Richardson tells you all you need to know. We couldn't rely on any of them because they would just have been ridiculised in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananaman Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Can someone put the full list up please. My Mac doesn't scroll down on the official page for some reason?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Can someone put the full list up please. My Mac doesn't scroll down on the official page for some reason?!? http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?45029-Retained-List-When-Published post 53 I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 End of the day, Reeves and Hoskins are both 20 or older and neither could get into their loan team consistently in L1 and L2. Are they decent players? Probably. Do they have talent? Yes. By the time they are 22/23 would they be anywhere near our first team? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 As expected really. Thanks to those who played their part, and good luck to them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Not sure why people are surprised by Reeves. Decent player, but he's over 20 now and if he was going to make it in the PL with us, eh'd have needed to make more of an impact here...and at the club's he's been on loan at. He'll be a star in L2 if played regular, can see him going there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Thought Barnard was out of co tract this summer too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Thought Barnard was out of co tract this summer too? Next year mate http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/14236327 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Imagine there are also a hell of a lot of players who are told they are free to look for another club (Chaplow/Hammond/Sharp/De Ridder/Barnard) to name but a few, I reckon we'll see a few mutual terminations this year as well. We've got so much deadwood in this squad, mainly because we've progressed so quickly, players bought a year or so ago to do a job are now never going to get a look in! Doesn't mean they're bad players...just not for our level anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over land and sea Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 (edited) This leaves us with the following players as things currently stand (contract length included where known): First team (32 players including 5 U21s) Goalkeepers Artur Boruc 2015 Kelvin Davis 2016 Paulo Gazzaniga* 2016 Defenders Nathaniel Clyne 2016 Calum Chambers* 2015 Jack Stephens* 2017 Dejan Lovren 2017 Maya Yoshida 2015 Jose Fonte 2015 Jos Hooiveld 2015 Vergard Forren 2016 Aaron Martin 2014 Luke Shaw* 2014 Danny Fox 2015 Central midfielders Morgan Schneiderlin 2017 Jack Cork 2015 James Ward-Prowse* 2017 Steve Davis 2016 Dean Hammond 2014 Richard Chaplow 2014 Wide/attacking midfielders Jason Puncheon 2016 Guly do Prado 2014 Gaston Ramirez 2016 Adam Lallana 2018 Steve de Ridder 2014 Strikers Rickie Lambert 2016 Jay Rodriguez 2016 Emmanuel Mayuka 2017 Tadanari Lee 2014 Billy Sharp 2015 Lee Barnard 2014 Jonathan Forte 2014 * will qualify as U21s next season Under 21s (17 players) Goalkeepers Cody Cropper 2014 Chris Johns Will Britt Defenders Matt Young Fraser Colmer (3rd year scholar) 2014 Jordan Turnbull Bevis Muagbi Central midfielders Corby Moore Dominic Gape Joe Curtis Andy Robinson Harrison Reed Wide/attacking midfielders Lloyd Isgrove Omar Rowe Sam McQueen Strikers Jake Sinclair Jamal Branker (3rd year scholar) 2014 Scholars (21 players) Goalkeepers James White (2nd year) 2014 Harry Isted (1st) 2015 Defenders Tom Leggett (2nd) 2014 Jason McCarthy (2nd)* Kyle Clinton (1st) 2015 Joshua Debayo (1st) 2015 Matt Targett (2nd) 2014* Isaac Nehemie (2nd) 2014 Will Wood (1st) 2015 Midfielders Jake Hesketh (2nd) 2014 Charlie Higgins (2nd) 2014 Jake Flannigan (2nd) 2014* Niall Mason (1st) 2015 George Mells (1st) 2015 Armani Little (1st) 2015 Wingers Josh Sims (1st) 2016* Mark Irvine (1st) 2015 Strikers Sam Gallagher (2nd) * Ryan Seager (2nd) * Daniel Demkiv (1st) 2015 Chris Regis(1st) 2015 * Professional contract signed Edited 7 July, 2013 by Over land and sea Addition of new scholars for 13-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 (edited) Good list, best move Chambers into midfield though. All of our 2014 over 21 players will be out on loan or leaving during the forthcoming season IMHO Unlikely that any of Martin, Hammond, Chaplow, Guly, De Ridder, Lee, Barnard and Forte will feature in more than 2 games in the Prem next season.* *brought to you by the man that gave you "Sharp will outscore Lambert in the Prem last season". Edited 4 June, 2013 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Imagine there are also a hell of a lot of players who are told they are free to look for another club (Chaplow/Hammond/Sharp/De Ridder/Barnard) to name but a few, I reckon we'll see a few mutual terminations this year as well. We've got so much deadwood in this squad, mainly because we've progressed so quickly, players bought a year or so ago to do a job are now never going to get a look in! Doesn't mean they're bad players...just not for our level anymore. Agreed - I think we'd be looking at clearing 15-16 players off the books. We'll probably loan a few few out - Think I'm right in saying that since Cortese came in, we've actually only sold 2 players. (Ox & Harding) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Good list, best move Chambers into midfield though. Why? He has been playing at right back for Saints and England for quite a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Particular thanks to Danny Butterfield and Frazer Richardson. Instrumental in our rise up the leagues. Best of luck to all the guys though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Particular thanks to Danny Butterfield and Frazer Richardson. Instrumental in our rise up the leagues. Best of luck to all the guys though. Can remember some fantastic crosses for Lambert from the pair of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Why? He has been playing at right back for Saints and England for quite a while now. Was a central midfielder the only time he played for the first team this season, and that's all I've got to go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 (edited) All of our 2014 over 21 players will be out on loan or leaving during the forthcoming season IMHO Unlikely that any of Martin, Hammond, Chaplow, Guly, De Ridder, Lee, Barnard and Forte will feature in more than 2 games in the Prem next season.* *brought to you by the man that gave you "Sharp will outscore Lambert in the Prem last season".[/size] at last .....Forecast is out of contract....was there ever a bigger waste of money? ....reminds me of that old WW2 film " the Man who never was " ....we were really conned on that one ...and lost Bale , too. good comments - (you got there before me).....but players on this list are unlikely to be " released " but perhaps... we may be open to offers for them? .....otherwise they'll be out on loan for the season. Edited 4 June, 2013 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 at last .....Forecast is out of contract....was there ever a bigger waste of money? ....reminds me of that old WW2 film " the Man who never was " ....we were really conned in that one ...and lost Bale , too. good comments - (you got there before me).....but players on this list are unlikely to be " released " but perhaps... we may be open to offers for them? .....otherwise they'll be out on loan for the season. Forecast is not even out of contract, he signed a deal with Gillingham a couple of months ago. I don't think we'd have kept Bale if he hadn't come to us, do you ? We'll sell any of the 2014 players except Shaw, if they can agree terms. Expecting a fair few of them to have gone back to the Championship by January, maybe later for Barnard and Forte who probably won't come close to their current wages anywhere else at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 There's weird sense of irony when on the day we release Forecast (The proxy for Bale's sell-on clause), Bale himself is linked with a 80-100m move with Real Madrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Don't know why people questioning releasing reeves. Clearly not good enough, and if he had anything about him then he would have made break through by now. I actually have doubts whether he will make it in league 2. One of those that fall by the wayside. At least he has a PL appearance on his CV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Forecast is not even out of contract, he signed a deal with Gillingham a couple of months ago. I don't think we'd have kept Bale if he hadn't come to us, do you ? /QUOTE] no sadly I agree with you, but it irks a bit to think that having been screwed on that deal, and look what we didn't get out of him in return...not even one league game in 5 years. worst deal since we sold Martin Chivers to Spuds ...for a (then) record fee (1967).... .and got Frank Saul in return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Forecast is not even out of contract, he signed a deal with Gillingham a couple of months ago. I don't think we'd have kept Bale if he hadn't come to us, do you ? We'll sell any of the 2014 players except Shaw, if they can agree terms. Expecting a fair few of them to have gone back to the Championship by January, maybe later for Barnard and Forte who probably won't come close to their current wages anywhere else at the moment. 80 million less 10 million we received by 25% (the reported sell on,) that's an 18million windfall we're missing out on... Thanks a bunch whoever set up that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Good list, best move Chambers into midfield though. All of our 2014 over 21 players will be out on loan or leaving during the forthcoming season IMHO Unlikely that any of Martin, Hammond, Chaplow, Guly, De Ridder, Lee, Barnard and Forte will feature in more than 2 games in the Prem next season.* *brought to you by the man that gave you "Sharp will outscore Lambert in the Prem last season". Feature in even 2 games between the lot of them requires some serious imagination.The whole pack of them minus Guly will feature in about zero'ish PL games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 80 million less 10 million we received by 25% (the reported sell on,) that's an 18million windfall we're missing out on... Thanks a bunch whoever set up that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Feature in even 2 games between the lot of them requires some serious imagination.The whole pack of them minus Guly will feature in about zero'ish PL games. You have removed the one player that is likely to feature in order to make your point fit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Reeves and Hoskins is a weird one thought they had good talent. the others were always going to happen it's always difficult when they reach that age, and still haven't made a breakthrough into the first team...... you want to feel that if we only kept them for... another year ...or maybe two, then they MIGHT make it....it rarely happens. Their CV s will look good as a (former) Saints Academy player, and they might well get a career at L1 / L2 level, and - if they're lucky, their new club(s) might get a promotion. on the other hand ...if they score 20 goals a piece next season ...then we got it wrong, but I doubt if that will be the case, but good luck to Ben and Sam, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Agreed - I think we'd be looking at clearing 15-16 players off the books. We'll probably loan a few few out - Think I'm right in saying that since Cortese came in, we've actually only sold 2 players. (Ox & Harding) Problem is most are on relatively very good money with us, they don't want to give up their contracts before they have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Forecast is not even out of contract, he signed a deal with Gillingham a couple of months ago. Did he? I think he was offered a contract at Gillingham. He won't have signed yet. Could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Did he? I think he was offered a contract at Gillingham. He won't have signed yet. Could be wrong. Can't actually find anything confirming it, won't take effect until July 1 so logical he won't have signed, but I'd be surprised if he sat around waiting for any other offers after that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 (edited) Aha :http://www.gillinghamfootballclub.com/news/article/martins-message-may-7-811614.aspx "Tommy Forecast will also be offered a deal as he has been given a free transfer by Southampton. Read more at http://www.gillinghamfootballclub.com/news/article/martins-message-may-7-811614.aspx#OwjVUpcUJPLt5JBc.99 " Dated 7th May, though pretty sure we knew about it before that. Edited 4 June, 2013 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/3640896684/c248b05c22942d67c23d20baabfe3828.jpeg Sad day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Isn't Martin heading to Coventry over the summer? Next year mate http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/14236327 Oh cool, forgot when he was contracted too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 it's always difficult when they reach that age, and still haven't made a breakthrough into the first team...... you want to feel that if we only kept them for... another year ...or maybe two, then they MIGHT make it....it rarely happens. Their CV s will look good as a (former) Saints Academy player, and they might well get a career at L1 / L2 level, and - if they're lucky, their new club(s) might get a promotion. on the other hand ...if they score 20 goals a piece next season ...then we got it wrong, but I doubt if that will be the case, but good luck to Ben and Sam, anyway. Maybe that's why we should have a B Team playing in the lower leagues - made up mostly of u23s but the odd 24 & 25 year old. That way they get game time but also premier league coaching and maybe a bit more time to mature and make that break through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 (edited) Maybe that's why we should have a B Team playing in the lower leagues - made up mostly of u23s but the odd 24 & 25 year old. That way they get game time but also premier league coaching and maybe a bit more time to mature and make that break through. The Football League would never agree to such a move. The lower tiers of English football are stronger than any other country, we have professional teams in the 5th tier getting gates of nearly 6k! That would be unheard of anywhere else in the world. The Football League wouldn't welcome large numbers of B teams of Premier League clubs taking up space in the league system, plus it would actually be hard for any B side to compete with some of the large Football League sides in the same way they do in Spain for example. Edited 4 June, 2013 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Anyone with a good guess what these released 8 would have had in monthly wages all together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Anyone with a good guess what these released 8 would have had in monthly wages all together? Less than a Gaston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Anyone with a good guess what these released 8 would have had in monthly wages all together? With promotion bonus and rises I'd hazard a guess that the top 4 are on £10-£15k a week. Remember that Dickson couldn't get a loan move away at the start of the season as the club in question couldn't afford his wages. Richardson and Butterfield were proven championship players so would have joined in championship wages and no doubt got an increase on promotion. Seaborne was said to be on £6k a week when he had his incident, so id put him on about £10k with his promotion increase. I doubt the bottom four are on much though. Even so you're probably taking between £50k-£80k a week for all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 With promotion bonus and rises I'd hazard a guess that the top 4 are on £10-£15k a week. Remember that Dickson couldn't get a loan move away at the start of the season as the club in question couldn't afford his wages. Richardson and Butterfield were proven championship players so would have joined in championship wages and no doubt got an increase on promotion. Seaborne was said to be on £6k a week when he had his incident, so id put him on about £10k with his promotion increase. I doubt the bottom four are on much though. Even so you're probably taking between £50k-£80k a week for all of them. that will pay for 1 new player then LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 With promotion bonus and rises I'd hazard a guess that the top 4 are on £10-£15k a week. Remember that Dickson couldn't get a loan move away at the start of the season as the club in question couldn't afford his wages. Richardson and Butterfield were proven championship players so would have joined in championship wages and no doubt got an increase on promotion. Seaborne was said to be on £6k a week when he had his incident, so id put him on about £10k with his promotion increase. I doubt the bottom four are on much though. Even so you're probably taking between £50k-£80k a week for all of them. Cheers, sounds very likely to me and probably on the higher half of 50-80k I would think. I guess we´ll free up more money when we´re getting some of the others sold. Like Hammond, Sharp, Chaplow and the likes. Still a big squad and need to get another 6-8 players out and 4-6 of better quality in before the squad is of a more healthy size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 (edited) that will pay for 1 new player then LOL Rather have one good player on £50k a week than that on 8 that don't play! Edited 4 June, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Cheers, sounds very likely to me and probably on the higher half of 50-80k I would think. I guess we´ll free up more money when we´re getting some of the others sold. Like Hammond, Sharp, Chaplow and the likes. Still a big squad and need to get another 6-8 players out and 4-6 of better quality in before the squad is of a more healthy size. Yep, I'd agree with that. Hammond, Lee, De Ridder, Sharp, Barnard, Chaplow will all also be on the £10-£15k mark and won't play any part whilst we are in the premier league. That's another £50-£90k a week we could do with losing. We've probably been paying out over £100k a week in wages this season on players that have hardly had a kick, that's not including Forren and Mayuka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Yep, I'd agree with that. Hammond, Lee, De Ridder, Sharp, Barnard, Chaplow will all also be on the £10-£15k mark and won't play any part whilst we are in the premier league. That's another £50-£90k a week we could do with losing. We've probably been paying out over £100k a week in wages this season on players that have hardly had a kick, that's not including Forren and Mayuka. Lee is on 18k a week I think they said at his recent court case. Would expect Sharp is on 25k or so after being bumped up following promotion. Crazy amounts really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Yep, I'd agree with that. Hammond, Lee, De Ridder, Sharp, Barnard, Chaplow will all also be on the £10-£15k mark and won't play any part whilst we are in the premier league. That's another £50-£90k a week we could do with losing. We've probably been paying out over £100k a week in wages this season on players that have hardly had a kick, that's not including Forren and Mayuka. True, I wonder what the deals have been on the loans. If we´ve paid a part of the wages still or if the clubs that took them on loan has paid full wages for them... And as you said, better have one contributing player on 50-60k instead of 8 not participating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 June, 2013 Share Posted 4 June, 2013 Yep, I'd agree with that. Hammond, Lee, De Ridder, Sharp, Barnard, Chaplow will all also be on the £10-£15k mark and won't play any part whilst we are in the premier league. That's another £50-£90k a week we could do with losing. We've probably been paying out over £100k a week in wages this season on players that have hardly had a kick, that's not including Forren and Mayuka. Lee is on a lot more than that; there was some article last season that suggested he was on around £25K a week. With promotion bonus, God only knows how much of his current wage we're contributing to. Hopefully we haven't had to contribute too much to the wages of the others we have had out on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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