Gemmel Posted 5 June, 2013 Share Posted 5 June, 2013 Sorry Gemmel that did make me laugh a little Puts it into perspective how tall it is though Don't worry about that Smirking - I was laughing at myself, so no reason for others not too :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 He falls and that's the Site Agent in prison under the H and S at work act, for failure to have a duty of care to those on site, (including trespassers). If that is the case, your anger would be better directed at that ****ing stupid law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 Please explain: what is the point? George Mallory is famously said to have replied to the question "why do you want to climb Mt. Everest?" with the retort: "because it is there", which has been called "the most famous four words in mountaineering". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 George Mallory is famously said to have replied to the question "why do you want to climb Mt. Everest?" with the retort: "because it is there", which has been called "the most famous four words in mountaineering". Did Mallory hang off ledges by his fingertips when he didn't need to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 If that is the case, your anger would be better directed at that ****ing stupid law. The site agent should take all reasonable steps to prevent such idiots from such stupid acts. Another question: would anyone do such reckless acts if they didn't film themselves and then stick them on the Internet to say 'ooh look at me, aren't I brave'.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 The Clive, Deidre's and cardigan wearers will be having kittens when they see this, the human spirit will never die, unless of course it visits some of the citizens of Southampton.................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 ****in idiot. No such thing as death by mis-adventure in construction. He falls and that's the Site Agent in prison under the H and S at work act, for failure to have a duty of care to those on site, (including trespassers). The site agent just needs to ensure all reasonable steps are taken in order to protect the public or anyone else on site from harm. The site is CDM and the bloke said he climbed two or three fences to get to the crane. If he died it would have been his own stupid fault, I expect the agent would have been talked to but it probably wouldnt be his negligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 The site agent just needs to ensure all reasonable steps are taken in order to protect the public or anyone else on site from harm. The site is CDM and the bloke said he climbed two or three fences to get to the crane. If he died it would have been his own stupid fault, I expect the agent would have been talked to but it probably wouldnt be his negligence. Secret site agent is talking crap, all steps have to be take to ensure a site is as safe as possible, this is done through h&s walks to establish possible unsafe areas of a site etc etc, determind people will always get in though, if he got through a hole in the fence a case would have to be answered but if he scales a fence then that is something completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 George Mallory is famously said to have replied to the question "why do you want to climb Mt. Everest?" with the retort: "because it is there", which has been called "the most famous four words in mountaineering". Just beating the second most famous phrase in mountaineering which is....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 What an incredible video, incredible stunt. Not enough time spent showing the view, mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 Just beating the second most famous phrase in mountaineering which is....... Hold on ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 Secret site agent is talking crap, all steps have to be take to ensure a site is as safe as possible, this is done through h&s walks to establish possible unsafe areas of a site etc etc, determind people will always get in though, if he got through a hole in the fence a case would have to be answered but if he scales a fence then that is something completely different. Secret Site Agent isn't talking crap. Building Contractors and/or Developers owe a duty of care to trespassers (believe it or not) especially when there are what is termed "attractive nuisances" or items likely to stir the desire for some scamp to trespass on a site and have a play. In this case, assuming the nutter had fallen and died, there would have been difficulty in proving the site team did not do everything to provide protection against this extreme event. But say a few nippers scaled a perfectly reasonable site hoarding for a play and a half built wall fell on them, then there is an obligation for the site team to provide protection against that occurance. Whatever the outcome, I suspect the poor old site team here will have been hauled over the coals and i suspect Warings are rigging up CCTV cameras, audible alarms and permanent security guards as i type this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 (edited) No they wouldn't if he "broke" in then how can they be responsible? As I said a no defence bar 24 security (there could be a case there) everywhere can stop a determined trespass and thats what this is, his actions after that are pre-planned (the break in is as well), how do you prosecute someone for that? If the site fails (there wil be lots of questions to how he got in) a h&s audit then obviously heads will roll. Edited 6 June, 2013 by Barry Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 Secret Site Agent isn't talking crap. Building Contractors and/or Developers owe a duty of care to trespassers (believe it or not) especially when there are what is termed "attractive nuisances" or items likely to stir the desire for some scamp to trespass on a site and have a play. In this case, assuming the nutter had fallen and died, there would have been difficulty in proving the site team did not do everything to provide protection against this extreme event. But say a few nippers scaled a perfectly reasonable site hoarding for a play and a half built wall fell on them, then there is an obligation for the site team to provide protection against that occurance. Whatever the outcome, I suspect the poor old site team here will have been hauled over the coals and i suspect Warings are rigging up CCTV cameras, audible alarms and permanent security guards as i type this. As I said before, you wouldnt be held accountable should you have put reasonable provisions in place in order to protect the public and also tresspassers from danger. If someone goes out of their way to tresspass there is nothing you can do. Otherwise anyone who wandered onto the tracks or attempted to steal cable and so died would cause those companies in charge to be in hot water. Yes its slightely different with a CDM of course, but you cannot make every site fort knox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 Did Mallory hang off ledges by his fingertips when he didn't need to? No he didn't, the püssy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 Just beating the second most famous phrase in mountaineering which is....... why did I bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 Never thought me and SS would be thinking along the same lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 Just beating the second most famous phrase in mountaineering which is......."F*ck this, I'm going back down"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 The site agent should take all reasonable steps to prevent such idiots from such stupid acts. Another question: would anyone do such reckless acts if they didn't film themselves and then stick them on the Internet to say 'ooh look at me, aren't I brave'.? Yeah, they'd just do what they used to and get a load of people they knew to turn up and watch instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 Never thought me and SS would be thinking along the same lines. Meh, its not the first time dune me old mucker, Im a tory myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 Meh, its not the first time dune me old mucker, Im a tory myself I am not Dune and have been in the Labour party bar 1999 to 2005 since 1993. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 6 June, 2013 Share Posted 6 June, 2013 Did Mallory hang off ledges by his fingertips when he didn't need to? Maybe maybe not but he did kill himself falling off Everest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 Maybe maybe not but he did kill himself falling off Everest Did he kill himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 (edited) Did he kill himself? Oh gods no, don't start another conspiracy theory, Pap will be all over it like a shot. They found his body with rope burns around the waist which showed that he was tied to his partner at the time of the fall. The also found a golf ball sized hole in his forehead and surmised that he was using his ice pick as a brake and it hit a rock and ricocheted into his cranium. Read all about it here Edited 7 June, 2013 by Big Bad Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 Ha Ha yes he probably would, he has been rather quiet of late, I can only assume on holiday in Roswell........................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 Ha Ha yes he probably would, he has been rather quiet of late, I can only assume on holiday in Roswell........................... Or learning video editing techniques... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 No they wouldn't if he "broke" in then how can they be responsible? As I said a no defence bar 24 security (there could be a case there) everywhere can stop a determined trespass and thats what this is, his actions after that are pre-planned (the break in is as well), how do you prosecute someone for that? If the site fails (there wil be lots of questions to how he got in) a h&s audit then obviously heads will roll. HSE regulations (H&SAW Act) provides a legal responsibility for Contractors staff to ensure construction sites are safe places to be. This covers the potential for prosecution under criminal law and this is directed at individuals (site managers, business owners). The Occupiers Liability Act of 1957 (i think) was extended in '84 (again, i think) to cover a duty of care owed to trespassers. Any case brought under it would have to be a civil case however. As I said in my post, the chances of a successful civil action in this instance would be very difficult, but you appear to be taking issue with the legal position, which is very clear. If a site presents an opportunity for a trespasser to injury themselves and they do just that, then the site team and directors will face the possibility of prosecution by the HSE and a civil case from the injured party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 2nd most famous phrase in mountaineering, normally shouted rather than spoken - as we left the B and B three days ago I said to you, whatever you do, don't forget the effing flag... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 As I said before, you wouldnt be held accountable should you have put reasonable provisions in place in order to protect the public and also tresspassers from danger. If someone goes out of their way to tresspass there is nothing you can do. Otherwise anyone who wandered onto the tracks or attempted to steal cable and so died would cause those companies in charge to be in hot water. Yes its slightely different with a CDM of course, but you cannot make every site fort knox. But that's not the point. The point is, the indivduals responsible for the site will be potentially liable should a trespasser inujure themselves and the site cannot demonstrate it has made every effort to make the site safe for those trespassers. Of course it is an exercise is reasonableness, but there are many instances when work in progress will be inherently dangerous if used as a playground. Note i say potentially as each case is different, but the fact is liability does not stop just because someone jumps over a hoarding when they shouldn't. It's not a simple as Bazza suggests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 HSE regulations (H&SAW Act) provides a legal responsibility for Contractors staff to ensure construction sites are safe places to be. This covers the potential for prosecution under criminal law and this is directed at individuals (site managers, business owners). The Occupiers Liability Act of 1957 (i think) was extended in '84 (again, i think) to cover a duty of care owed to trespassers. Any case brought under it would have to be a civil case however. As I said in my post, the chances of a successful civil action in this instance would be very difficult, but you appear to be taking issue with the legal position, which is very clear. If a site presents an opportunity for a trespasser to injury themselves and they do just that, then the site team and directors will face the possibility of prosecution by the HSE and a civil case from the injured party. I am saying exactly that, if all safety measures have been taken and the determined person still got in an injured themselves then there would be no case, climbing up a crane is determind action, the issue is how he got up there, if all saftey protocols have been followed then there is no case to answser. Him breaking in and willfully breaching safety gates etc etc in the way shows in simple terms he was prepared to break the law to reach his goal, it would be a minefield and even the most liberal of judges would balk at giving a guility verdit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 But that's not the point. The point is, the indivduals responsible for the site will be potentially liable should a trespasser inujure themselves and the site cannot demonstrate it has made every effort to make the site safe for those trespassers. Of course it is an exercise is reasonableness, but there are many instances when work in progress will be inherently dangerous if used as a playground. Note i say potentially as each case is different, but the fact is liability does not stop just because someone jumps over a hoarding when they shouldn't. It's not a simple as Bazza suggests. I am not suggesting its simple if procedures were not in place, if they were its very very simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 7 June, 2013 Share Posted 7 June, 2013 What a nutter.bloody scary watching him do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 13 June, 2013 Share Posted 13 June, 2013 Check out his YouTube channel. Loads of free running videos on rooftops around So'ton. He gets kudos from me just for showing us never seen parts of the city. On the face of it it's lunacy but this kid is super talented and when asked why he wet up there to die replied "I didn't go up there to die... I went up there to live". Not condoning it or even suggesting for a minute this guys actions are clever but he has some skill and ********. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 13 June, 2013 Share Posted 13 June, 2013 Check out his YouTube channel. Loads of free running videos on rooftops around So'ton. He gets kudos from me just for showing us never seen parts of the city. On the face of it it's lunacy but this kid is super talented and when asked why he wet up there to die replied "I didn't go up there to die... I went up there to live". Not condoning it or even suggesting for a minute this guys actions are clever but he has some skill and ********. Absolutely. This sort of thing will only upset the much older generation with no sense of excitement or adventure. The world is changing. Big respect to the guy. I wouldn't do it mind, as my ******** are just not big enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint137 Posted 10 September, 2013 Share Posted 10 September, 2013 More from the same guy, bit of parkour... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 10 September, 2013 Share Posted 10 September, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6divyNPlzo&feature=youtube_gdata_player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 10 September, 2013 Share Posted 10 September, 2013 Why do they do that benjii? Don't they know how upsetting I find it? I will have nightmare now. I wish I hadn't watched that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 10 September, 2013 Share Posted 10 September, 2013 Why do they do that benjii? Don't they know how upsetting I find it? I will have nightmare now. I wish I hadn't watched that I don't know Bearsy. Why don't you imagine crane is Bear boners and Russian boy is Russian girl or something and maybe you will be having nicer dream? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 15 January, 2014 Share Posted 15 January, 2014 Now has his own TV show... http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dont-look-down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Anyone watching his show Dont Look Down now on Channel 4? The guy is nuts, the Ukrainian guy is mental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Anyone watching his show Dont Look Down now on Channel 4? The guy is nuts, the Ukrainian guy is mental They are utterly, utterly nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 it is petrifying How the hell do they have the nerve. crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Just beating the second most famous phrase in mountaineering which is....... Hold on ?! Don't step thereeeee...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Had to turn it over. Was making me queasy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 That kid is insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 He'll kill himself one day, but the Ukrainian guy will beat him to it. But this kind of risk taking is part of the human condition - there will always be people who put themselves at risk, and I guess I'd rather they did things that didn't put others at risk as well (eg driving recklessly on the road). They're still complete nutters, though! Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 Just watched that on +1 the old Wedding Vegetables have just returned to normal and my toes have fully uncurled! You have to have crossed wiring between the ears to do that. His Mother must jump out of her skin everytime the phone rings when he is not in the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 19 January, 2014 Share Posted 19 January, 2014 I felt sympathy for his mother but I could sense his anger rising as she expressed her concerns. He loves her but also he sees her as an obstruction. Like the Ukrainian guy said, 'we all die sometime'. It's down to whether you feel that because you have been granted the 'miracle' of life, you should endeavor to live as long as possible no matter what, up against living totally in the moment, and, for a million reasons, not being bothered when it ends. I know where I stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 20 January, 2014 Share Posted 20 January, 2014 Watched the doc last night and am still totally fascinated by this guy and his mad skills. He got some flak on twitter at people suggesting his mother should stop funding his trips abroad but the haters probably didn't realise he already has endorsements from the likes of GoPro HD cameras etc. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's wearing a red bull teeshirt pretty soon. He's doing more with his life than I could dream of. Fair play to a lad who lacked direction or even a reason to exist. He'll now get to see the world, earn loads of money doing what he loves in films, tv, promotional work for his sponsors etc. Not bad for a school drop-out. Must Hang from the You Crane* was proper bonkers tho *appropriated from a tweet. Can't take any credit for that clever-ness :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 20 January, 2014 Share Posted 20 January, 2014 This is a good documentary in a similar vain, follows a Londoner who base-jumps during the night and then gets into wing suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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