Ramirez, his first season, how good has he been?

[The9]

Hello Mrs The9. Shouldn't you be washing up?

 

Actually I think you'll find "Mrs9" is a registered user.

[Saint Garrett]

Firstly just want to say that this is the one of the best posts on this thread but was quickly skimmed over and it's altered my thoughts and I have to now agree it's all about next season for Ramirez.

 

Secondly, whilst i'm sure it's not much of a loss, but the reason I don't post and only generally read the forum is for some of the blatant trolls and wum's who derail threads, attack individuals who don't have the same opinion and clearly have agendas oriented at winding up and insulting others, bit like the old fogies thread speaks of. However I'll give you an outsiders opinion because that's what I paid my joining fee for but assuredly won't bother again (yes I'm sure no love lost etc).

Barry Sanchez mate you are possibly the worst, Turkish is also well up there for biggest knob. Alpine is a miserable pessimistic git but gets a rough deal. MLG is also a forum whipping boy which sometimes comes across as proper harsh, fair play to him for sticking it out. Sour mash seems to be another tool on a massive wind up mission, but does contribute some good ideas. But let's not be completely negative, think the9 is a great poster and is balanced, bearsy is a laugh, Dig Dig gives a good account on most threads unless he's been got to or is defending someone he really shouldn't be, like BS.

 

All in all, none of those I mention should give a **** of my opinion either way, but my hope is that maybe someone who owns or Mods this forum will one day take a good look. There have been more than enough posters telling you that you are losing business because of a few massive helmets ruining it and putting other people off, hence the flavour of this entire forum is so bloody depressing, oppressive and 'mong'. I reckon this forum could be brilliant if someone with the power has the balls to actually take a good look at it and fix it. BTW never quite understood it, does this make me a happy clapper?

 

Oh and sorry Baz, I know i'm only judging you on one seasons performance (which you haven't been continually present for), but that's fair enough right

 

(excuse grammar: cue backlash)

 

You should post more often mate, good post.

[Olallana]

I don't quite understand this comparison. If anything it serves to prove the point; Kagawa arrived with big fanfare and has significantly under delivered. I wouldn't say for one minute that he has offered value for money on his transfer.

 

5/10 season for Gaston for me. Some flashes of decency but all too often some poor performances. Most frustratingly its not that he's tried audacious things that haven't come off, but that he hasn't got the simple things right.

 

Also Essruu's post has kicked in to touch the premise of "give him a good pre-season and lets see where we are". He's got it all to do next season; this season can be put down to adjusting, but even still I'd have expected him to be a stand out first choice player at the end of the season, which he clearly wasn't (before he went and got suspended).

 

Just trying to put a comparison to show that Gastons numbers is not as bad as some make them out to be.

5 goals and 3 assists as a AM in a team that for long periods have struggled is not bad imo.

 

Some (BS especially) compare him with Coutinho and he has looked far better for those watching MOTD than for us that has watched his games in whole I would say. No question he´s a talent too, but not that fantastic yet as some mention.

[Mallagroth]

Originally Posted by Turkish

Hello Mrs The9. Shouldn't you be washing up?

 

Actually I think you'll find "Mrs9" is a registered user.

 

It's besides the point Turks as Mrs9 is out at the moment and ironically it's your own wife who's here. The9 and I are currently teaching her about spitroasting as apparently your cooking skills aren't up to scratch. She's just had a mouthful of seasoning as I type this and seems fairly impressed.

Edited 3 June, 2013 by Mallagroth
Added Turks quote for context

[The Kraken]

Just trying to put a comparison to show that Gastons numbers is not as bad as some make them out to be.

5 goals and 3 assists as a AM in a team that for long periods have struggled is not bad imo.

 

Some (BS especially) compare him with Coutinho and he has looked far better for those watching MOTD than for us that has watched his games in whole I would say. No question he´s a talent too, but not that fantastic yet as some mention.

 

I'd say Gaston's numbers are the best part of his season. 5 goals is ok for an attacking midfielder in a side that finished 14th, admittedly the number of assists is a bit on the low side though, especially as he's on corners and free kicks.

 

Coutinho has had a better impact but he's a different type of player (one we could do with though, to be fair).

 

Essruu's post has, for me, really brought home how much of a concern it is that Ramirez once again won't get a proper pre-season. That and "adjustment to the PL" have been pinned as the primary reasons he has under-delivered compared to expectation.

 

As for Bazza Sancho, I have to say I'm disappointed. At first I quite enjoyed some of his posts, it was often a contrary view but I enjoy hearing all views. Sadly he's become a parody of himself and I'm genuinely not sure what he's trying to prove any more.

[Mallagroth]

I guess a lot of this debate seems to be really over whether Saints should be buying highly rated talent speculatively for the future or splodging a much larger wedge on someone who is older but proved themselves already in the prem or champions league. And this is basically a debate that will go on for many more seasons for most teams in the top flight. For what it's worth I reckon Schneiderlin is an example of 'the southampton way' working and I'm willing to have faith in our current talent scouts opinion of Ramirez on the basis we were after both Michu and Coutinho. Ramirez has struggled there's no denying that from watching all the games, but if he still doesn't do it next season then unfortunately we spent big bucks and may have lost out. Same thing as Tadinari. But for the flops we've had most signings imo have been excellent since the regime change.

[norwaysaint]

Ramirez has done okay and is a decent member of the team. His stats are better than Rodriguez', but he gets more stick because he was expensive, which is hardly his fault. His goal tally this season is pretty much the same as it has been throughout his career, so I doubt whether he was bought with an expectation of scoring more.

 

As far as Barry Sanchez is concerned, I think we all know who we're dealing with...

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?45168-Smoke-Bombs&p=1707659#post1707659

[The Kraken]

I guess a lot of this debate seems to be really over whether Saints should be buying highly rated talent speculatively for the future or splodging a much larger wedge on someone who is older but proved themselves already in the prem or champions league. And this is basically a debate that will go on for many more seasons for most teams in the top flight. For what it's worth I reckon Schneiderlin is an example of 'the southampton way' working and I'm willing to have faith in our current talent scouts opinion of Ramirez on the basis we were after both Michu and Coutinho. Ramirez has struggled there's no denying that from watching all the games, but if he still doesn't do it next season then unfortunately we spent big bucks and may have lost out. Same thing as Tadinari. But for the flops we've had most signings imo have been excellent since the regime change.

There's also an element that we of course should look to do both, and make sure we get the balance of youth and experience just right. Although in Ramirez's case i wouldn't put it down to an experience/lack of experience thing at all, he's just flattered to deceive IMO and so far not lived up to the fanfare. Lots to prove.

[dan abnormal]

how do people think he's played compared to lallana? lallana has scored fewer goals despite having played more games, not having to adapt to a new culture and having a full pre season with saints and both play in similiar positions. if barry thinks gaston is only worth 3/10, what is lallana worth in comparison-been a massive disappointment for me. i would say gaston has a had a better season than adam, a marginally better season. both have big been disappointments though, especially considering how well they both started.

[suewhistle]

Firstly...

Secondly, .....

 

Pretty fair summary, I'd say, although I could perhaps think of another to add to your list.

 

It's not the opinions that worry me, although I think some people do take up certain positions just to be contrary, but it's the style and way -often rather nasty - in which those opinions are expressed.

 

FWIW I do think Ramirez needs to produce more next season, but some people here do seem prepared to write off the investment very quickly. Pretty short term thinking, and if it were applied in their place of employment would lead to appalling staff turnover, with all that implies.

[Turkish]

Originally Posted by Turkish

Hello Mrs The9. Shouldn't you be washing up?

 

 

 

It's besides the point Turks as Mrs9 is out at the moment and ironically it's your own wife who's here. The9 and I are currently teaching her about spitroasting as apparently your cooking skills aren't up to scratch. She's just had a mouthful of seasoning as I type this and seems fairly impressed.

 

That's funny as she's upstairs taking a sh*t. From the smell coming down the stairs whatever it was you were feeding her earlier was pretty rancid and needs a good scrub.

[The Kraken]

how do people think he's played compared to lallana? lallana has scored fewer goals despite having played more games, not having to adapt to a new culture and having a full pre season with saints and both play in similiar positions. if barry thinks gaston is only worth 3/10, what is lallana worth in comparison-been a massive disappointment for me. i would say gaston has a had a better season than adam, a marginally better season. both have big been disappointments though, especially considering how well they both started.

 

You're correct, Lallana is another who has under-performed. In fact I'd go further and say that Lallana has been found out at the top level as a wide player, he is a lot more effective playing through the middle. Unfortunately that leaves our two most creative players vying for one midfield spot, so Lallana hasn't really been given that chance too much (at least for any prolonged timeframe).

 

I also credit us persisting with Lallana out wide as a primary reason why we became so predictable in the last few games of the season, we lacked someone with pace to run in behind defences, Lallana does his best work with the ball at his feet bringing others into it and as a consequence too often looks to play in front of defenders, making him easier to defend against for the better sides in the division. He had a few good games but largely against the weaker sides. Another with a lot to prove, though I'm not sure how much he'll do if we persist with playing him as a wide man.

[Mallagroth]

True enough. He is going to have to be phenomenal early on to keep the majority of the fanbase on side for long into the season. Whether we individually think, or as i do hope, he's got more in his locker (or not); we can be sure that everyone will be scrutinising his every tiny move from kick off on day one and for his price tag and probable wage compared to those paying to see him that's fair enough really.

[supersonic]

distinctly underwhelming. Biggest disappointment of the season. Really wouldn't be fussed if we got our money back for him

[Saint Garrett]

He's just had an ok season, not great not awful. But with a things considered he's not done too bad. Needs to push on this season. Of the "3" who have played this season it probably rates...

 

Puncheon

JRod

Gaston

Davis

Lallana

Guly

Mayuka.

[The Kraken]

^^ Puncheon, Davis, Rodriguez, Ramirez for me. Davis has played an awful lot under MP, often instead of Ramirez.

[Saint Garrett]

Think Davis is ok. Tidy solid player but doesn't offer much going forward. One of the reasons why we've let in less goals but scored less IMO. Davis and Lallana are both too 'one paced' for me.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Lallana only really starts out wide though - it isn't a position he stays in throughout the game. He is constantly drifting inside to get involved and he is very intelligent at finding space for himself and linking up with others. He isn't influencing games as much but that can be attributed to the big step up and the fact he just won't see the ball as much in dangerous areas either. He'll be disappointed with his season but I've no doubt he needs to start games for us and he has the talent.

 

Lets not forget it was only last December that when he got injured many fans were gutted as he was central to the way we played and many wrote us off at that point. Post-injury he hasn't been as good but in the first half of the season he showed as much as anyone else in our team for me.

 

However, I will say that there were times in the run-in this season that Puncheon clearly deserved to start ahead of him (assuming there was nothing else behind the scenes preventing this from happening).

[Lord Duckhunter]

Had redknapp signed him for qpr for 12 million we'd be pizzing our pants. What a mug old harry is throwing £12 million at him.

 

I haven't a clue whether him or his mrs are happy, but to me he gives the apperance of someone who is not . Maybe he'll come good maybe he won't, Tim vicerory said he wouldn't make it in the pl and he knows a bit more about south American football than most. If NC sells him this summer and gets his money back, I won't be bothered in the slightest.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Ramirez has done okay and is a decent member of the team. His stats are better than Rodriguez', but he gets more stick because he was expensive, which is hardly his fault. His goal tally this season is pretty much the same as it has been throughout his career, so I doubt whether he was bought with an expectation of scoring more.

 

As far as Barry Sanchez is concerned, I think we all know who we're dealing with...

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?45168-Smoke-Bombs&p=1707659#post1707659

 

That is some impressive work Norway.

 

Dune, what a nob.

[skintsaint]

I'd give him 6/10 but expecting better next season. No excuses.

[Barry Sanchez]

That is some impressive work Norway.

 

Dune, what a nob.

 

Oh Christ, should I have used Christian? So I have used a name someone else has used? I think you should either be in the long gone Stasi or the keystone cops, that is some impressive work noway, 1+1 = not 3 but 33.

 

High fives lads, get pap on the case, its more fun when he disbelieves me, he has bailed now though on that.

 

Anyway lets get back on topic and less of the personal jibes, its takes away from the thread...

[Barry Sanchez]

Think Davis is ok. Tidy solid player but doesn't offer much going forward. One of the reasons why we've let in less goals but scored less IMO. Davis and Lallana are both too 'one paced' for me.

 

Davis in many respects was the best signing last year.

[shurlock]

Oh Christ, should I have used Christian? So I have used a name someone else has used? I think you should either be in the long gone Stasi or the keystone cops, that is some impressive work noway, 1+1 = not 3 but 33.

 

High fives lads, get pap on the case, its more fun when he disbelieves me, he has bailed now though on that.

 

Anyway lets get back on topic and less of the personal jibes, its takes away from the thread...

 

Or Tristan even.

[Dig Dig]

Oh Christ, should I have used Christian? So I have used a name someone else has used? I think you should either be in the long gone Stasi or the keystone cops, that is some impressive work noway, 1+1 = not 3 but 33.

 

High fives lads, get pap on the case, its more fun when he disbelieves me, he has bailed now though on that.

 

Anyway lets get back on topic and less of the personal jibes, its takes away from the thread...

 

 

Your grammar is much better than usual in this post mate and you said "have" instead of "of".

 

Inconsistencies are are creeping in and you are unravelling lad.

Edited 4 June, 2013 by Dig Dig

[Barry Sanchez]

Your grammar is much better than usual in this post mate and you said have instead of of.

 

Inconsistencies are are creeping in and you are unravelling lad.

 

Like what? Because I used have instead of of I must be another person? Ha ha this is very amusing, this is like Monty Python's Spanish inquisition.

[Mallagroth]

That's funny as she's upstairs taking a sh*t. From the smell coming down the stairs whatever it was you were feeding her earlier was pretty rancid and needs a good scrub.

 

[Barry Sanchez]

Your grammar is much better than usual in this post mate and you said "have" instead of "of".

 

Inconsistencies are are creeping in and you are unravelling lad.

 

Last edited ha ha you could not make it up, poor grammar? Are you the real life officers from Allo Allo?

[Dig Dig]

Last edited ha ha you could not make it up, poor grammar? Are you the real life officers from Allo Allo?

 

don't feel bad Bazza, you did a good job for a long time. A much better effort than batman!

[Barry Sanchez]

don't feel bad Bazza, you did a good job for a long time. A much better effort than batman!

 

I am laughing at your irony, I could be rude but I dont think thats required.

[saint lard]

He's been picked for the squad to play in the Confederations cup,no great surprise.....

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/10463488.Ramirez_set_for_Confederations_Cup/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

[Saint Garrett]

He's been picked for the squad to play in the Confederations cup,no great surprise.....

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/10463488.Ramirez_set_for_Confederations_Cup/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

 

Shame really in a way....wanted him to get a good rest and then a proper pre season with us.

[ART]

He's been picked for the squad to play in the Confederations cup,no great surprise.....

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/10463488.Ramirez_set_for_Confederations_Cup/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

What's the odd's like Delgado he gets injured and we can't sell or play him. You couldn't make it up with some South America players. Guly's not much better than Delgado for injuries

[Mallagroth]

What's the odd's like Delgado he gets injured and we can't sell or play him. You couldn't make it up with some South America players. Guly's not much better than Delgado for injuries

 

... What? Mate I think you have got Guly's on your brain. Assuming you meant Ramirez, he has only had one problem with us, that was quite serious, and it's never fully had time to heal up.

[Olallana]

What's the odd's like Delgado he gets injured and we can't sell or play him. You couldn't make it up with some South America players. Guly's not much better than Delgado for injuries

 

Yeah, that south american Michael Owen....so many injuries just because he´s from......oh wait.....

[Picard]

On the bench tonight for Uruguay vs France.

[trousers]

On for 2nd half

[trousers]

Just seen replay of the Suarez goal - great pass from Ramirez to start the move

[trousers]

Ramirez in the thick of things in centre midfield. Break up play is excellent

[trousers]

How Schneiderlin doesn't get into this French squad is beyond me

[Sour Mash]

Is this on any channel or just on streams?

[trousers]

Is this on any channel or just on streams?

 

Just streams I think

[Sour Mash]

Just streams I think

Cheers.

[trousers]

Great run from Ramirez from half way line - great shot - good save.

[Dig Dig]

What position is he playing in?

[Saint Garrett]

Awesome pass from Gaston.

 

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=QB_TD4TOoFo&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQB_TD4TOoFo%26feature%3Dyoutu.be

[trousers]

Another good layoff from Ramirez. Looking top class this evening.

[Olallana]

Playing with other players on his wavelength....

[trousers]

What position is he playing in?

 

Centre attacking midfield

[Hatch]

Playing with other players on his wavelength....

 

 

so much this.