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Secret Site Agent

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Just a bit of light hearted humour based on the fact that I'm bored, and the England team will always been dominated by the big 4 etc. and there is a thread on it I thought a bit of light hearted banter.

 

Remember, no rules except they need to be tongue in cheek, very lame and total crap. As based on Roy's REAL reason for not picking SRL.

 

'So, Woy, please explain why you will not pick a player from Saints'.

 

 

- No Scouser has ever scored in the Striker position.

- Southampton are in League 1

- Saints acadamy players don't amount to anything

- I cant spell Adam The Lama

- Nicol Cortese frightens me

- My team sheet is already full of names when it's given to me.

- We have no blank team sheets left, the photocopier don't work, and we haven't had Tippex since the Erricson left.

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Sorry to make a serious point but it's only just occurred to me. Now Schneiderlain has lived in England for a while, could he be eligible to play for England? I know he already has youth caps etc for France but not sure on the rules...

 

he could very shortly but he doesn't want to do that. Same as many before him, Arteta for instance. Approached at one time but turned England down because it just didn't seem the right thing to do. Never played at full international level which is a total travesty when you look at some of the knobs playing for Wales and Scotland.

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Smirking_Saint

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Sorry to make a serious point but it's only just occurred to me. Now Schneiderlain has lived in England for a while, could he be eligible to play for England? I know he already has youth caps etc for France but not sure on the rules...

 

Yes he can, it has precedent to switch nations. I have said before he would be perfect for England but think he is proudly French

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Well it's wimple weally, I would widdicled in the Sun as "Elmer J. Fudd" when I said Wickie Wambert of the Waints was called up for Wingland, and that's too derespectul to my wood wriend, Mr. Turnip Head's whame of fame in the mighty Wun (Sun) wuplication! :lol:

 

:lol:Elmer+Fudd+pictures+looney+tunes+elmer-fudd.jpg

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Sorry to make a serious point but it's only just occurred to me. Now Schneiderlain has lived in England for a while, could he be eligible to play for England? I know he already has youth caps etc for France but not sure on the rules...

 

He's French, his mum's French, his dad's French so he plays for France you dumbo! What's difficult about that?

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/england-football-team-theo-walcott-1925015

 

So Rickie or Adam or Jrod can not get a look in, nor similair players from other teams. Just goes to show that the new England manager is just a big a C as the others in the past, and can not see past the 'Chosen ones' Manure, Arse etc. If Theo and the OX would have still been at Saints, even they would not be eligable to play. No wonder I don't give a F about England matches, friendley or not.

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The reason RH won't pick a saint for England is simple he admitted to often going to games that don't include any English players

So how is he ever going to watch rickie jrod cork Clyne lallana or shaw

 

 

Now I thought terry venables & glenn hoddle were c-#+$ in their treatment of MLT but they did have the brains to invite future prospects to train & give a few different players a chance

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I think he's implying how 70 or so years ago the Germans went on a European tour - including a little stop off in Strasbourg.

 

I thought the reference was due to the fact Strasbourg,& Alsace were part of Germany until after WW1 when it was then annexed to France as part of Treaty of Versaille.

 

He is eligible to play for England through residency rules, although he restated recently his desire to play for France.

 

True, and shows how ridiculous the residency rule is, but if Zaha can play for England.... except of course Morgan acknowledges that having lived here a few years does not make him 'English'.

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"Since the demise of smoking and the fag packet to write the team on the back of (ensuring Benson & Hedges at centre back and Wothmans in midfield). As I am a bit of a technophobe I have an app thing on my phone called notes and top of the list is team selection, well if a telephone can tell me where I am how can I argue with the team it selects for me whenever I check the list"

"why even the other week we had JT, Gary, and Rio out at centre back which was a problem so I checked my app and Michael Carrick was next on the list so suggested him in the centre of defence, adding a possibly to make it look like I was working this all out on my own. I popped out of the FA board room to answer the call of nature, when I returned and picked up my phone off the table to consider the centre back conundrum further the names of Lescott and Smalling were where JT, Gary & Rio normally are!!"

"I was at the Southampton Liverpool game the other week I checked my clever little app and Johnson, Gerrard, Sturridge, and Henderson were all there on my list" "Lambert, Shaw, Puncheon, Cork, Clyne, Rodrigez and Lallana you say, well that last 2 can't be English with names like that, none of them came up on my little app so none of them can be English. Although that Lallana chap did turn up in the squad last autumn, but I thought my app might have been interfered with by that Rio who could be a bit of a joker.

"Who am I to argue with technology, my clever app and my tactical genius combined make a formidable team"

"I just wish someone would make the Premier League 20 teams instead of the 7 it currently is, that would make my life so much easier".

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I think he's implying how 70 or so years ago the Germans went on a European tour - including a little stop off in Strasbourg.

No, not exactly. Obernai (Morgan's home town/city, not Strasbourg which was only his first club) was annexed by Germany in 1871 with the rest of Alsace then was returned to France after World War I in 1918. Prior to that it had been part of France since 1679 after it was ceded to them by the Swedes. So if Morgan's grandparents were born before 1918 (maybe unlikely) that would qualify Morgan for Germany as well as France. I don't think he would qualify for Sweden or for the Holy Roman Empire team though.

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I think he's implying how 70 or so years ago the Germans went on a European tour - including a little stop off in Strasbourg.

 

I had some vague notion as a kid of being told Strasbourg switched from French to German rule and back every 100 years in the sense of there being some kind of treaty, rather than just by virtue of war, but I can't find any evidence of that from a quick Google, so maybe my kid-brain misinterpreted it.

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/england-football-team-theo-walcott-1925015

 

So Rickie or Adam or Jrod can not get a look in, nor similair players from other teams. Just goes to show that the new England manager is just a big a C as the others in the past, and can not see past the 'Chosen ones' Manure, Arse etc. If Theo and the OX would have still been at Saints, even they would not be eligable to play. No wonder I don't give a F about England matches, friendley or not.

 

Not just Roy though is it, looked at the link to the Mirror and their daily transfer gossip... according to that there are only 6 teams in the Premier League.

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Anyway, residency rules (again) : http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/01/66/54/21/fifastatutes2012e.pdf (PDF !)

 

Article 5 :

 

1. Any person holding a permanent nationality that is not dependent on

residence in a certain country is eligible to play for the representative teams of

the Association of that country.

 

2. With the exception of the conditions specifi ed in article 8 below, any

Player who has already participated in a match (either in full or in part) in an

offi cial competition of any category or any type of football for one Association

may not play an international match for a representative team of another

Association. - Schneiderlin hasn't played any official matches for France so he's still, technically, able to play for another nation. But who ?

 

Article 6 : Nationality entitling players to represent more than one Association - Schneiderlin as far as we know is only eligible for France. If he has German grandparentage or parentage this would be covered by points 1 b/c below. We know he was born in France (a) and has been resident in England (d). The key is that you must ALREADY have eligibility for another nation for the 2 year residency rule to be relevant. He doesn't have English elgibility so part (d) is irrelevant and he doesn't qualify under it.

1. A Player who, under the terms of art. 5, is eligible to represent more than

one Association on account of his nationality, may play in an international

match for one of these Associations only if, in addition to having the relevant

nationality, he fulfi ls at least one of the following conditions:

a) He was born on the territory of the relevant Association;

b) His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of

the relevant Association;

c) His grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the

relevant Association;

d) He has lived continuously on the territory of the relevant Association for

at least two years.

 

If however he chooses to take British nationality, section 7d (below) applies - but ONLY if he takes British nationality :

 

Article 7 : Acquisition of a new nationality

Any Player who refers to art. 5 par. 1 to assume a new nationality and who

has not played international football in accordance with art. 5 par. 2 shall be

eligible to play for the new representative team only if he fulfi ls one of the

following conditions:

a) He was born on the territory of the relevant Association;

b) His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of

the relevant Association;

c) His grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the

relevant Association;

d) He has lived continuously for at least fi ve years after reaching the age of

18 on the territory of the relevant Association.

 

There are other sections about dual-eligible players changing nationality, but that wouldn't include England either.

 

So, in short, unless he takes British nationality, he's not eligible even if he has lived here for over 5 years (and the 5 year residency applies only to England even if he gets British nationality, so he couldn't represent Scotland, Wales, NI unless there was an overriding agreement in place from the Home Nations to replace section 6.1 above agreed by the FIFA Exec Committee).

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Just a bit of light hearted humour based on the fact that I'm bored, and the England team will always been dominated by the big 4 etc. and there is a thread on it I thought a bit of light hearted banter.

 

Remember, no rules except they need to be tongue in cheek, very lame and total crap. As based on Roy's REAL reason for not picking SRL.

 

'So, Woy, please explain why you will not pick a player from Saints'.

 

 

- No Scouser has ever scored in the Striker position.

- Southampton are in League 1

- Saints acadamy players don't amount to anything

- I cant spell Adam The Lama

- Nicol Cortese frightens me

- My team sheet is already full of names when it's given to me.

- We have no blank team sheets left, the photocopier don't work, and we haven't had Tippex since the Erricson left.

 

 

 

interesting post, but you've missed the real explanation, Secret Agent )..... Roy (sorry Woy) has identified the real problem in an interview published on today's BBC site... he says (and I quote) ...we aren't winning enough games ".....

 

so there, now you have the total truth, straight from the horses' mouth, and he obviously doesn't believe that the addition of any Saints players would improve England's lot ..otherwise he would have called them up - wouldn't he ? .....or would he ?

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Anyway, residency rules (again) : http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/01/66/54/21/fifastatutes2012e.pdf (PDF !)

 

Article 5 :

 

1. Any person holding a permanent nationality that is not dependent on

residence in a certain country is eligible to play for the representative teams of

the Association of that country.

 

2. With the exception of the conditions specifi ed in article 8 below, any

Player who has already participated in a match (either in full or in part) in an

offi cial competition of any category or any type of football for one Association

may not play an international match for a representative team of another

Association. - Schneiderlin hasn't played any official matches for France so he's still, technically, able to play for another nation. But who ?

 

Article 6 : Nationality entitling players to represent more than one Association - Schneiderlin as far as we know is only eligible for France. If he has German grandparentage or parentage this would be covered by points 1 b/c below. We know he was born in France (a) and has been resident in England (d). The key is that you must ALREADY have eligibility for another nation for the 2 year residency rule to be relevant. He doesn't have English elgibility so part (d) is irrelevant and he doesn't qualify under it.

1. A Player who, under the terms of art. 5, is eligible to represent more than

one Association on account of his nationality, may play in an international

match for one of these Associations only if, in addition to having the relevant

nationality, he fulfi ls at least one of the following conditions:

a) He was born on the territory of the relevant Association;

b) His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of

the relevant Association;

c) His grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the

relevant Association;

d) He has lived continuously on the territory of the relevant Association for

at least two years.

 

If however he chooses to take British nationality, section 7d (below) applies - but ONLY if he takes British nationality :

 

Article 7 : Acquisition of a new nationality

Any Player who refers to art. 5 par. 1 to assume a new nationality and who

has not played international football in accordance with art. 5 par. 2 shall be

eligible to play for the new representative team only if he fulfi ls one of the

following conditions:

a) He was born on the territory of the relevant Association;

b) His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of

the relevant Association;

c) His grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the

relevant Association;

d) He has lived continuously for at least fi ve years after reaching the age of

18 on the territory of the relevant Association.

 

There are other sections about dual-eligible players changing nationality, but that wouldn't include England either.

 

So, in short, unless he takes British nationality, he's not eligible even if he has lived here for over 5 years (and the 5 year residency applies only to England even if he gets British nationality, so he couldn't represent Scotland, Wales, NI unless there was an overriding agreement in place from the Home Nations to replace section 6.1 above agreed by the FIFA Exec Committee).

 

All totally academic, Morgan will never play for England or Germany or any other nation than France, he's very proud of where he comes from and it's in France. As far as I know he still has the same girlfriend as he did at high school (Marie-Cecile?) and I think she comes from around that way as well. His grandad is the founder of the village football club and virtually all of his family still live in the same Alsacian village. Down at the club house of the village team there's one of his France U19s shirts with the captain's armband attached on display in a glass case so really England is out of the question for him.

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All totally academic, Morgan will never play for England or Germany or any other nation than France, he's very proud of where he comes from and it's in France. As far as I know he still has the same girlfriend as he did at high school (Marie-Cecile?) and I think she comes from around that way as well. His grandad is the founder of the village football club and virtually all of his family still live in the same Alsacian village. Down at the club house of the village team there's one of his France U19s shirts with the captain's armband attached on display in a glass case so really England is out of the question for him.

 

Agreed, completely academic, but worth reiterating the actual rules, just so that people can stop talking about it. Even if he didn't get picked for France, ever, he'd have to actually take British nationality just to be eligible to qualify via residency, which is a lot more significant than just playing football for somewhere you happen to live.

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Article 18.1a stipulates that any player who wants to switch to the second of his dual nationalities must have held that second nationality at the time he represented his original country at junior or under-21 level.

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Yeah not my words homes, that was copy + paste I remembered from article bout artetas!

 

Valuable contribution bearsy!

 

Ahh copy and paste.... Few.... Got worried there that those dumb mods had swapped you with a clone when you went off for your break. But maybe Ive been argueing with Pap for too long

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