Turkish Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22699324 Some interesting comments that it will take serious investment of a couple of hundred million for Swansea to Break onto the top 6 and appears to believe they have hit the glass ceiling as far as league positions go. I found this interesting as they are ahead of us and already a decent established mid table side. We've been told on here recently that this current squad is good enough to finish 6th and that you don't need heavy investment to break into the top 6. We are also aiming to finish in these places next season are we not? What do we think Saintsweb? Is Laudrup talking out of his arse and we are going to show Him how it's done? Or is he right and Swansea do need a £200m worth of players to break into the top 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 200M is over egging it. Probably just trying to get a bit more transfer budget or justifying a move to a bigger club early. Agendas, Turkish, agendas.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Disgusting if he's using the media to get what he wants, isn't it........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 This forum also established how Swansea "didn't even challenge for the top four" like we would have done in their shoes and forum geniuses on here "wouldn't want many seasons like they've had". I mean, ninth. Oh, and Swansea had an uneventful second half of the season. Despite winning the league cup. So, basically Laudrop is a loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Premier League manager in 'covering his own arse by bigging up the difficulty of the Premier League' shocker. It wont take that much to get into the top 6. £200m will buy you an entire starting XI of £15-25m players. Even Man Utd don't have that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 I feel he's trying to contain the expectations of fans and make sure he's in the shop window for the Arsenal job next season. £200m is a bit steep to basically say to compete against the big teams you need big players, which isn't a cast iron fact. On the other hand he is right that constant investment is needed to try and keep afloat in the premier league and it will be difficult for Swansea to maintain their position without everyone around them spending past them. So yeah breaking the top 6 needs money, a bit of luck and a lot of planning (same with not ruining the league season with the Europa League). Swansea will need to buy 4-5 players really to "bulk out" the squad for Europe if they want a good push at it (which is what Laudrup wants) but it's not a £200m investment unless you want players that'll come with the reputation already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Disgusting if he's using the media to get what he wants, isn't it........... Awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Premier League manager in 'covering his own arse by bigging up the difficulty of the Premier League' shocker. It wont take that much to get into the top 6. £200m will buy you an entire starting XI of £15-25m players. Even Man Utd don't have that. Plus wages for a few seasons and it soon mounts up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 A slightly negative take -ergo it must be true. Just needed to arry to say it for it to be a cast-iron truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22699324 Some interesting comments that it will take serious investment of a couple of hundred million for Swansea to Break onto the top 6 and appears to believe they have hit the glass ceiling as far as league positions go. I found this interesting as they are ahead of us and already a decent established mid table side. We've been told on here recently that this current squad is good enough to finish 6th and that you don't need heavy investment to break into the top 6. We are also aiming to finish in these places next season are we not? What do we think Saintsweb? Is Laudrup talking out of his arse and we are going to show Him how it's done? Or is he right and Swansea do need a £200m worth of players to break into the top 6? A bit of both I think. Covering his arse a little and trying to eke out a little more in transfer funds. I don't think our first choice eleven is a million miles away from top six. Unfortunately it's been shown that much of the back-up is either unproven or just not up to it. On top of that we may also need greater strength in depth to cover for fatigue that may or may not be caused by Pochettino's pressing tactics. So I'd say to get as close to a guaranteed top six place we'll need heavy investment, but that's not to say it's beyond the realms of possibility we could get there with less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc oli Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Everton seem to have managed to get in and around the top 6 with peanuts, and QPR went down spending stupid money (admittedly mostly on an overweight donkey). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 (edited) In net terms, only Chelsea and Man City have spent cumulatively more than £200m since 2006. http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/130323/premier-league-net-spend-figures-club-revealed-2006-when-arsenal-moved-s-194227?p=18 Edited 29 May, 2013 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Depends if you have a good academy and produce half of these top players yourself really.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Depends if you have a good academy and produce half of these top players yourself really.... You think we'll produce half a top 6 squad from our academy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 You think we'll produce half a top 6 squad from our academy? Thought I detected a hint of sarcasm myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 If the £200m includes wages then it's a fair point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 I personally think you need between £500m-£1b to build a decent side ready to break into the top 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Sounds like he's covering his arse on two fronts, one Swansea not progressing next season and two he can then leave for a bigger club. We all know it will take investment but £200 million for the top 6? lol, maybe title challenge, have Man City even spent that on players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 Tsk... the cost of referees these days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 29 May, 2013 Share Posted 29 May, 2013 You think we'll produce half a top 6 squad from our academy? I'd throw in that we could certainly produce some players capable of being in top six squads, how many and if they could be more then squad players is of course anyones guess. Either way I understand why Laudrup would say what he says and without doubt investment in the playing squad is a must for any rapid progression to be seen at Swansea or Soton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 You think we'll produce half a top 6 squad from our academy? It's certainly a possibility, given our previous track record of producing decent players. If a club were to buy Bale, Walcott and Chamberlain (not including Shaw yet) now they wouldnt have much change from £100m, whilst if we had all 3 of these players we'd have a decent stab at top 6 id wager. However despite this we don't have these players on our books currently which is why i say its only a possibility! but you can say there's a fair case for us producing a few more players of that calibre, that if we can keep hold of them couldn enable us to push on toward top 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 30 May, 2013 It's certainly a possibility, given our previous track record of producing decent players. If a club were to buy Bale, Walcott and Chamberlain (not including Shaw yet) now they wouldnt have much change from £100m, whilst if we had all 3 of these players we'd have a decent stab at top 6 id wager. However despite this we don't have these players on our books currently which is why i say its only a possibility! but you can say there's a fair case for us producing a few more players of that calibre, that if we can keep hold of them couldn enable us to push on toward top 6 How many other clubs have produced and kept half a squad of players from their academy which gave been good enough for top 6 finishes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 You think we'll produce half a top 6 squad from our academy? Do I think ? No I don't. But it's certainly a possibility depending on who comes through. If we had Chamberlain, Theo, Bale, Lallana, Shaw, then yes, I see no reason why we couldn't do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Do I think ? No I don't. But it's certainly a possibility depending on who comes through. If we had Chamberlain, Theo, Bale, Lallana, Shaw, then yes, I see no reason why we couldn't do this. What a strange post, We don't have over half of those players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Just needed to arry to say it for it to be a cast-iron truth. Anything less than £200 mill and you'll be down to the bare bones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 If Saints are to progress in the manner Cortese wishes, we need to emphatically pull away and above the Swansea's of this world. So if Laudrup's correct, or even half correct , we need some heavy investment. I'd say no less than 5 significant incoming players over the summer would begin to shape us up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 It's no just how much you spend it's about infrastructure (e.g Youth Setup), having a strategy, a good scouting system and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Well apparently Laudrup's got a big rendez vous with his Chairman coming up soon, all does not seem to be so rosy as it would appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 What a strange post, We don't have over half of those players. Isn't he just proving there is potential for several players to come up from the youth, And he's just naming the most resent and significantly talented players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Do I think ? No I don't. But it's certainly a possibility depending on who comes through. If we had Chamberlain, Theo, Bale, Lallana, Shaw, then yes, I see no reason why we couldn't do this. we have Lallana, he's done nothing this season, part of the problem rather than part of the solution. If we had a player better in front of goal than lallana we'd already be several places higher. Has grotesquely muffed chances that another might well not, chances that would have gained us points if they'd fallen to a clinical finisher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Isn't he just proving there is potential for several players to come up from the youth, And he's just naming the most resent and significantly talented players? Walcott made his debut, what, six seasons before Shaw? It's the idea that all these top six standard players are going to hang around at Saints for season after season on the off chance they'll be joined by half a teams worth of kids at a similar standard. That's the point. We'll be lucky to keep Shaw longer than one more season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Walcott made his debut, what, six seasons before Shaw? It's the idea that all these top six standard players are going to hang around at Saints for season after season on the off chance they'll be joined by half a teams worth of kids at a similar standard. That's the point. We'll be lucky to keep Shaw longer than one more season. Ah but he might hang around if we're prepared to bring in quality through the academy and from elsehwere when necessary. The whole half a squad of class academy grads is optimistic for sure but not desperately unfeasbale that we'd move towards this level while supplementing the squad with the ocassioanal bit of quality from here there and everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Swansea + Bale probably would have done it. They need investment to do it, big investment, obviously. Probably won't happen. It's either big money, great management, great academy or all 3 to give you the best chance. Saints hopefully have a reasonable chance at all 3 so better odds than most, albeit still slim. But I don't get the impression you're interested in any real conversation about it, so much as a chance to knock down the opinion of a couple of posters who you've decided speak for the entire forum. Totally this, as usual he's just looking for rise from people. I imagine he's been waiting for comment like this so he can plaster it all over here and shout down at people. I'd say most of the people on here reckon top 6 is a slim chance and recognise we need investment to do it, but also like the fact the club is at least trying. The way some people go on you get the impression they don't want us to try at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Why doesn't Laudrup just build an entire team with home grown talent? Champions League football would be his within 5 years. Guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Why doesn't Laudrup just build an entire team with home grown talent? Champions League football would be his within 5 years. Guaranteed. half of his current side are Spanish or Dutch anyway aren't they ? Not a lot of home grown talent at Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 half of his current side are Spanish or Dutch anyway aren't they ? Not a lot of home grown talent at Swansea. That's where they're going wrong. They need someone like Ward-Prowse to drive them on to 4th place. They should also get a bigger ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 That's where they're going wrong. They need someone like Ward-Prowse to drive them on to 4th place. They should also get a bigger ground. We could let them have Lallana, apparently he's just what you need to get into the CL, 20 million and he's their's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 That's where they're going wrong. They need someone like Ward-Prowse to drive them on to 4th place. They should also get a bigger ground. I sense you're not entirely serious here ... hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Ah but he might hang around if we're prepared to bring in quality through the academy and from elsehwere when necessary. The whole half a squad of class academy grads is optimistic for sure but not desperately unfeasbale that we'd move towards this level while supplementing the squad with the ocassioanal bit of quality from here there and everywhere. That'll be your couple of hundred million spent, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Totally this, as usual he's just looking for rise from people. I imagine he's been waiting for comment like this so he can plaster it all over here and shout down at people. I'd say most of the people on here reckon top 6 is a slim chance and recognise we need investment to do it, but also like the fact the club is at least trying. The way some people go on you get the impression they don't want us to try at all. Now now Tajjuk, just because your comments are often made to look idiotic, don't get upset and resort to the usual 'trolling' accusations BTW can you name the teams that have finished in the top 6 in the last 20 years with half the squad column through the academy which people are claiming is entirely possible for us to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Now now Tajjuk, just because your comments are often made to look idiotic, don't get upset and resort to the usual 'trolling' accusations BTW can you name the teams that have finished in the top 6 in the last 20 years with half the squad column through the academy which people are claiming is entirely possible for us to do? Man Utd and errr... ummm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Now now Tajjuk, just because your comments are often made to look idiotic, don't get upset and resort to the usual 'trolling' accusations BTW can you name the teams that have finished in the top 6 in the last 20 years with half the squad column through the academy which people are claiming is entirely possible for us to do? well I counted up the British players in PL starting 11s on the last day of the season the other day and some of those could be wrong if there are Irish,Barbadians,Americans,Australians etc that sound if they could be British cos I didn't check. so we had Chelsea 3,Liverpool 5,Citeh 5,Newcastle 2,Saints 8,Swansea 5,Everton 5,QPR 6,Norwich 10,Arsenal 3,Stoke 8,Fulham 2 (yes two)Spurs 6, Sunderland 7 West Brom 8,Man U 4 West Ham 6 Reading 8. Didn't count Villa or Wigan So no top 4 team even had half of their starting 11 as British players let alone coming through their academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 well I counted up the British players in PL starting 11s on the last day of the season the other day and some of those could be wrong if there are Irish,Barbadians,Americans,Australians etc that sound if they could be British cos I didn't check. so we had Chelsea 3,Liverpool 5,Citeh 5,Newcastle 2,Saints 8,Swansea 5,Everton 5,QPR 6,Norwich 10,Arsenal 3,Stoke 8,Fulham 2 (yes two)Spurs 6, Sunderland 7 West Brom 8,Man U 4 West Ham 6 Reading 8. Didn't count Villa or Wigan So no top 4 team even had half of their starting 11 as British players let alone coming through their academy. Man Utd would've. Scholes, Beckham, Phil & Gary Neville, Butt and Giggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 That'll be your couple of hundred million spent, then. On some time scale of course but I dont exactly see us going mad. Good scouting, long term purchases, charging top money for any player who goes out the door, getting the best out of players with good coaching, bringing in external talent to swell the academy such as our plans for recruitment in Africa ... Im not naive enough to think that buying ready made quality is cheap but I do believe that there are other options to supplement an effective transfer strategy. Of course I could be a pessimist and doubt that we could achieve much of that but where would be the fun? I may as well go and hold alpine's hand and shout out just how doomed we are and how life is essentially pointless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 Man Utd would've. Scholes, Beckham, Phil & Gary Neville, Butt and Giggs. Just to be pedantic academy grads may not always be British but you'r point still stands, we have set out ambitious goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 On some time scale of course but I dont exactly see us going mad. Good scouting, long term purchases, charging top money for any player who goes out the door, getting the best out of players with good coaching, bringing in external talent to swell the academy such as our plans for recruitment in Africa ... Im not naive enough to think that buying ready made quality is cheap but I do believe that there are other options to supplement an effective transfer strategy. Of course I could be a pessimist and doubt that we could achieve much of that but where would be the fun? I may as well go and hold alpine's hand and shout out just how doomed we are and how life is essentially pointless The point is it isn't a choice between top six and we're doomed. I fully expect us to do lots of the things you say above which will see us carve out a little spot between 12th and 7th for the next few years. That would be simply brilliant for me, and a tremendous success for the club, too. Its a shame that so many sneer and belittle that level of achievement as if it is all somehow beneath the European Megagiant that is Southampton FC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 30 May, 2013 (edited) Man Utd would've. Scholes, Beckham, Phil & Gary Neville, Butt and Giggs. So there we have it then, the biggest club in the world that won the treble with those players are the only ones in 20 odd years to achieve this feat which is entirely possible for Saints. This is what we are trying to achieve, most of these players that are Going to come through are going to have to be not only the best in England, but amongst the best in Europe if they're going to keep up in the top 6. We need 2 Bales for every Leon Best and Chris Baird and for them all to come through within 5 years of each other. To think this will happen and them all stay at Saints and not be picked up by the bigger clubs is incredibly deluded. Edited 30 May, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 What a strange post, We don't have over half of those players. When did I say we had them now? IF we had kept them altogether (which we have a lot better chance now we're in the prem) then we'd have a very handy side. I agree that we won't keep them all, and that ones will move on, but if we bring through a top half prem standard player on a regular basis, then ok the first few we may sell, but we may get longer and longer out of them per player. Lets say Shaw stays with us for 3 seasons, and by then JWP has progressed into a solid prem player, then a few more come through...There is no reason why we cant progress like that. It's long term thinking and probably what the club has in mind. Yes I know that we will bring through some players who aren't good enough, (ATM Lallana ticks that box) but I don't believe that just shelling out £200m is the only way to get into the top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 (edited) Yes I know that we will bring through some players who aren't good enough, (ATM Lallana ticks that box) but I don't believe that just shelling out £200m is the only way to get into the top 6. of course it isn't . We could get there with about 50 million in expenditure if the 5 or 6 players that we'd need didn't have a choice of us or a CL/EL club, that's what holding us back partly because of the mentality of national team selectors . Take Younes Belhanda for instance, twice the player that Lallana will ever be and probably available for around 8 million and a reasonable wage say 40 a week but he wants to play in the CL if at all possible next season and as there are plenty of absolutely average Russian,Portuguese,Belgian and Turkish sides who possess that sesame we probably couldn't get him., Edited 30 May, 2013 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 30 May, 2013 Share Posted 30 May, 2013 The point is it isn't a choice between top six and we're doomed. I fully expect us to do lots of the things you say above which will see us carve out a little spot between 12th and 7th for the next few years. That would be simply brilliant for me, and a tremendous success for the club, too. Its a shame that so many sneer and belittle that level of achievement as if it is all somehow beneath the European Megagiant that is Southampton FC. Wow I think you took something more out of that! I'd be delighted with mid table security for a while too as it goes but the question was about how to kick on to what swansea see as "the next level" which would arguably be competing for the top six. Where in my post did I sneer or belittle? All I did was point out that I was being an optimist and thats a part of being a football fan, its like when we play bigger sides, you accept a draw would be a good result and you'd go home happy but who doesnt hope for a win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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